Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Say What]

i agree 100%

but...

do players usually face the brunt of the negative or does the team?

when luongo demanded a trade to florida(was he willing to go anywhere else?) or kesler to california, neither of those players were hurt at all by it and yet both handcuffed the Canucks

marty st louis did the same thing and limited it to NY and?

it unfortunately happens

Valid point, when you've earned that right. A player with a contract that has Limited/Full movement or trade clauses, does possess some power/control over their future destination. Jacob Trouba is an RFA.

The CBA doesn't allow for one of it's members (NHLPA) to circumvent the rules, so as to essentially state.....I'm a free agent that wants to pick my new team.

 

[aj8000]

I kind of got the feeling that the way Overhardt was squirting around the usage issue by Lawless, That it pretty much sounded like to me the Trouba is finished in the Peg and has no desire to play there period. So i'm kind of taking it with a grain of salt right now.

He may have no choice if he wants to continue his NHL career.

 

[cobra427]

Valid point, when you've earned that right. A player with a contract that has Limited/Full movement or trade clauses, does possess some power/control over their future destination. Jacob Trouba is an RFA.

The CBA doesn't allow for one of it's members (NHLPA) to circumvent the rules, so as to essentially state.....I'm a free agent that wants to pick my new team.

True, but once a player says trade me publicly, he won't be accepted in the locker room. Players will look at him and know he doesn't want to play there. For this reason alone, Trouba has played his last game as a Jet.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I'm not sure Fowler would be much of an upgrade on Morrissey at this point, to be honest. Morrissey has had a tremendous pre season and carried the high quality into the first regular season game. Rock solid with some really dynamic elements. He looks very fast and confident.

With Morrissey playing so well, I wonder if the Jets would consider a higher end LD prospect (obviously with a pretty substantial '+' attached) instead of an established NHLer, to be ready for when Enstrom is done. Not sure who on the rumored teams would fit the criteria. Maybe Zboril + 1st from Boston? Or Sanheim/Morin + 1st from Philly?

Assuming that Trouba isn't going to buckle, of course.

 

[Weezeric]

True, but once a player says trade me publicly, he won't be accepted in the locker room. Players will look at him and know he doesn't want to play there. For this reason alone, Trouba has played his last game as a Jet.

Ya, I mean just look at the last three players to demand a trade. Reider, drouin, and hamonic.... Oh wait.

 

[Evil Little]

Has there been any media chatter Trouba might still be open to re-signing? Or is it trade or nothing?

It all depends on how much appetite Trouba has for sitting out a full year (and putting off UFA years for a year) and the appetite Cheveldayoff has for having a player who doesn't want to be there on the roster night in, night out. The latter has actually been established, though in this case the very public trade request may offer another complication, that is: what Cheveldayoff considers the appetite Jets fans have for having a player who doesn't want to be there on the roster night in, night out.

In any case, when you've added exactly one high-end defenceman to a young core of Scheifele, Ehlers, Hellebuyck, Connor, et al, maybe your appetite is less of a concern than ensuring you don't take a huge step back in one of the most important spots on a team?

 

[Say What]

True, but once a player says trade me publicly, he won't be accepted in the locker room. Players will look at him and know he doesn't want to play there. For this reason alone, Trouba has played his last game as a Jet.

I couldn't tell you if we've seen him in a Jets uniform for the last time. However, the point above, was regarding the fact that Jacob Trouba has no say in where and when the Winnipeg Jets will trade him. His only leaverage is signing an offer sheet that he knows TNSE will match (doesn't help his trade request).

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Valid point, when you've earned that right. A player with a contract that has Limited/Full movement or trade clauses, does possess some power/control over their future destination. Jacob Trouba is an RFA.

The CBA doesn't allow for one of it's members (NHLPA) to circumvent the rules, so as to essentially state.....I'm a free agent that wants to pick my new team.

i am sorry but luongo and kesler were under contract and they asked for and dictated where they were to be traded to

it dosent matter if the player is a 22 year old RFA or a 29 year old in year 2 of a 6 year deal

contracts are broken all the time, by the player who asks for a trade or the team that trades a player who had signed long term with the team

its not just UFA's who change teams

 

[Evil Little]

i am sorry but luongo and kesler were under contract and they asked for and dictated where they were to be traded to

it dosent matter if the player is a 22 year old RFA or a 29 year old in year 2 of a 6 year deal

contracts are broken all the time, by the player who asks for a trade or the team that trades a player who had signed long term with the team

its not just UFA's who change teams

It's clear that Cheveldayoff does not want to trade Trouba for lesser pieces, so it comes down to how stubborn each side is going to be.

Who cracks first?

As a Jets fan, I'm annoyed, but not terribly worried.

 

[Say What]

i am sorry but luongo and kesler were under contract and they asked for and dictated where they were to be traded to

it dosent matter if the player is a 22 year old RFA or a 29 year old in year 2 of a 6 year deal

contracts are broken all the time, by the player who asks for a trade or the team that trades a player who had signed long term with the team

its not just UFA's who change teams

Hence, being paid. The Trouba Camp can ask for anything they want....doesn't mean they will get it.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

It's clear that Cheveldayoff does not want to trade Trouba for lesser pieces, so it comes down to how stubborn each side is going to be.

Who cracks first?

As a Jets fan, I'm annoyed, but not terribly worried.

i agree

it sucks

it would make me angry, disappointed etc if he were a DRW

but, i would also be thinking, if you dont want to be here then i dont want you here and would want to quickly maximize my return and move on

 

[Whileee]

With Morrissey playing so well, I wonder if the Jets would consider a higher end LD prospect (obviously with a pretty substantial '+' attached) instead of an established NHLer, to be ready for when Enstrom is done. Not sure who on the rumored teams would fit the criteria. Maybe Zboril + 1st from Boston? Or Sanheim/Morin + 1st from Philly?

Assuming that Trouba isn't going to buckle, of course.

I think a high end D prospect might work.

I don't consider Zboril or Morin to be in the ballpark. Sanheim doesn't excite me enough for a Trouba return, either. I think it would need to be a better prospect.

 

[Evil Little]

i agree

it sucks

it would make me angry, disappointed etc if he were a DRW

but, i would also be thinking, if you dont want to be here then i dont want you here and would want to quickly maximize my return and move on

That would be my inclination, and I'm sure it's Cheveldayoff's, but I've got a far greater aversion to the idea of trading away a top pairing young defenceman--the Jets' only good young defenceman--for scraps. You want to talk about emotional responses...

 

[Brock Radunske]

I wish the Leafs had available pieces for him because we need a top-4 RHD in the worst way...unfortunately I can't see it working.

 

[KIRK]

I could see a Maatta and Trouba swap making sense but it leaves the Pens left side pretty weak. If they ever let Pouilot play and develop I can see Pens making that move.

Maatta for Trouba?

Two issues from a Pens perspective: Left side and cap

1. If the Pens think that Daley could slide to the left side, then you could have a Daley-Trouba pairing.

2. The Pens don't have the cap space to give Trouba much more than 4.5M for next season. If he were amenable to a one year deal on the understanding that they'd negotiate an extension later in the season, then it could work under the cap.

From my perspective, Maatta definitely fits the bill in terms of what the Jets want for a return . . . young defenseman signed to term for around 4M per season.

Does he from a Jets perspective?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Or Sanheim/Morin + 1st from Philly?

These are wildly different deals from a Flyers point of view.

Morin and a 1st isn't enough to the Jets and the Flyers couldn't do this without MacDonald going the other way as well, which rightfully ends the conversation for Winnipeg.

You have the same cap problem if you sub in Sanheim, except the upside at relative cost is too high relative to what his trade value would be to really find a deal in which he fits with any team.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Maatta for Trouba doesn't make sense for the Pens when you look at cap hits and the strengths of the Pens blueline. They have Letang, Daley and Schultz at RD and Dumoulin, Maatta, Cole and Pouliot at LD. I don't think the Pens need a D upgrade at this point.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I think a high end D prospect might work.

I don't consider Zboril or Morin to be in the ballpark. Sanheim doesn't excite me enough for a Trouba return, either. I think it would need to be a better prospect.

So you're thinking more in the Provorov/Sergachev ballpark? Tough for those teams to part with those guys.

 

[KIRK]

Maatta for Trouba doesn't make sense for the Pens when you look at cap hits and the strengths of the Pens blueline. They have Letang, Daley and Schultz at RD and Dumoulin, Maatta, Cole and Pouliot at LD. I don't think the Pens need a D upgrade at this point.

The only way it even gets entertained is (a) if Daley is okay to slide to LD and (b) Trouba is okay with a 1 year bridge in the mid 4M range.

BUT, again, from a Pens perspective, IF those two things can be worked out and knowing you can have Dumoulin/Letang and Daley/Trouba (for short term, then Pouliot/Trouba for long term), would you trade Maatta for Trouba?

 

[Will Hunting]

The only way it even gets entertained is (a) if Daley is okay to slide to LD and (b) Trouba is okay with a 1 year bridge in the mid 4M range.

BUT, again, from a Pens perspective, IF those two things can be worked out and knowing you can have Dumoulin/Letang and Daley/Trouba (for short term, then Pouliot/Trouba for long term), would you trade Maatta for Trouba?

I would easily do it but that´s just me. I mean, let´s put it in a diplomatic way. Sullivan prefers an attractive up tempo style of hockey. Trouba would be better suited for it than Maatta is. For sure.

 

[Flair Hay]

True, but once a player says trade me publicly, he won't be accepted in the locker room. Players will look at him and know he doesn't want to play there. For this reason alone, Trouba has played his last game as a Jet.

Yzerman looks like a genius after settling things with Drouin the hard way. I'm expecting Chevy to do the same.

 

[ikyan]

The only way it even gets entertained is (a) if Daley is okay to slide to LD and (b) Trouba is okay with a 1 year bridge in the mid 4M range.

BUT, again, from a Pens perspective, IF those two things can be worked out and knowing you can have Dumoulin/Letang and Daley/Trouba (for short term, then Pouliot/Trouba for long term), would you trade Maatta for Trouba?

I'd do something around Maatta for Trouba. Think Maatta is the smarter, more cerebral player, but Trouba's size and better skating would fit our needs to a tee.

 

[Hunter368]

I'd do something around Maatta for Trouba. Think Maatta is the smarter, more cerebral player, but Trouba's size and better skating would fit our needs to a tee.

As a Jets fan I would do it

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Yzerman looks like a genius after settling things with Drouin the hard way. I'm expecting Chevy to do the same.

to be fair, the Jets arent the Bolts and winnipeg manitoba is not tampa bay florida

the quality of the team and the beautiful weather may have had a helping hand

 

[ikyan]

As a Jets fan I would do it

Think it could help both sides. Certainly some tweaking to keep Pens under cap, but the basic premise make sense, assuming Trouba's issue is either playing RD or playing in Canada.

Not even to mention how much we are leaning on Letang on RD - 31 minutes in game friggin one