Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[lomiller1]

Um...what?

Fowler is at minimum a #3. IMO he is a #2 right now.

A bottom pairing dman? Yikes your evaluation of him is way off.

I agree he's not a bottom pair guy, but Fowler doesn’t belong on a top pairing either. Take a look at his teammates CF% and CF% when they are on the ice with him vs being on the ice without him. Almost every player on the team is more successful when Fowler isn’t on the ice with him.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1347&withagainst=true&season=2014-16&sit=f10

It’s not a case of Fowler always being rolled out against really good players, in fact his quality of competition is only borderline average for top pair D around the league. (Nearly identical to what Trouba’s faced FWIW)

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Thanks

I think he ultimately gets traded sooner than later. It's a weird scenario because I have no doubt that a team will want to negotiate before a trade takes place.

That means that:

1) Chevy has to like what's coming back.
2) Trouba has to agree as well.

I know Trouba has no say in where he gets traded to according to the CBA, but he can tell teams that he will only sign there for an insane amount of money. That will drive away teams that he does not want to play for. No one wants to trade for a guy and have him sit out.

I agree

I do believe that more than likely(not a sure thing) but that if trouba was willing to sit(he i am sure knew it would happen) upon asking for a trade that he will insist on the destination being one of his choosing, top 2 or 3 teams at most

unfortunately that limits the # of suitors unless some creative things happen

I fully agree Chevy will do whats in the best interest of the Jets but I also think he wants players in that locker room who dont wanna be there and are committed to winnipeg(meaning i dont forsee him returning nor sitting out the entire season)

 

[JetsHomer]

ok thats a solid list

I am not sure if he will be traded himself, that said, i think if he is traded it will be to a team he himself wants to go to and would sign lonterm with

Not surprising you'd think that given you're a Red Wings fan, however there is simply no deal to be made between the Wings and the Jets unless Larkin is coming back

 

[Evil Little]

i still havent seen any posts from Jets fans laying out specific players they believe would be adequate return in any trouba trade

Personally I would want Trouba traded for an equivalent player or better. Any defenceman you'd be happy to give $5x6 to, and be confident that he'll have some good hockey to play after that contract.

Here's the rub, though: those players don't usually get traded.

Trouba fills far too much of an organizational need for the Jets--young, high end D--to trade for lesser pieces. Thankfully, everything Cheveldayoff has said about Trouba suggests he feels the same way.

 

[Basilisk]

Personally I would want Trouba traded for an equivalent player or better. Any defenceman you'd be happy to give $5x6 to, and be confident that he'll have some good hockey to play after that contract.

Here's the rub, though: those players don't usually get traded.

Trouba fills far too much of an organizational need for the Jets--young, high end D--to trade for lesser pieces. Thankfully, everything Cheveldayoff has said about Trouba suggests he feels the same way.

Alec Martinez makes $4x5 and is a natural LD, so that's at least close......

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I agree

I do believe that more than likely(not a sure thing) but that if trouba was willing to sit(he i am sure knew it would happen) upon asking for a trade that he will insist on the destination being one of his choosing, top 2 or 3 teams at most

If he goes to far as to say "I will only sign with these 2 or 3 teams" then he is going to be sitting for a LOOOOOONG time.

He will eventually sign and the Jets will trade him to whoever gives the best package.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Not surprising you'd think that given you're a Red Wings fan, however there is simply no deal to be made between the Wings and the Jets unless Larkin is coming back

I agree with you on both fronts of your post by and large

That said, I do think when players ask for a trade and have a preferred market more often than no that player goes there(somehow)

 

[Daximus]

Daximus

I agree with you on both fronts of your post by and large

That said, I do think when players ask for a trade and have a preferred market more often than no that player goes there(somehow)

Trouba can be a stickler and only tell the wings he will sign with them to play only in detroit so no other team will trade for him but chevy can be just as much of a stickler and not trade him and he won't play at all. If he wanted to play wherever he wants he should have just stayed in College and then turned pro in 4 years and sign with Detroit then.

 

[mondo3]

What if Detroit offered draft picks, like their next two number 1 picks. Would the Jets bite?

 

[Whileee]

What if Detroit offered draft picks, like their next two number 1 picks. Would the Jets bite?

No.

Chevy made it clear a day or two ago that his position on Trouba isn't influenced by the current situation - he is going to hold out until Trouba signs or until he gets what considers fair trade value. I highly doubt that Overhardt will push him around. Chevy is very patient and doesn't have pressure right now to make a quick move, especially with Morrissey fitting in very nicely in a top-4 LD role.

 

[Whileee]

I agree he's not a bottom pair guy, but Fowler doesn’t belong on a top pairing either. Take a look at his teammates CF% and CF% when they are on the ice with him vs being on the ice without him. Almost every player on the team is more successful when Fowler isn’t on the ice with him.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1347&withagainst=true&season=2014-16&sit=f10

It’s not a case of Fowler always being rolled out against really good players, in fact his quality of competition is only borderline average for top pair D around the league. (Nearly identical to what Trouba’s faced FWIW)

I'm not sure Fowler would be much of an upgrade on Morrissey at this point, to be honest. Morrissey has had a tremendous pre season and carried the high quality into the first regular season game. Rock solid with some really dynamic elements. He looks very fast and confident.

 

[ffh]

with little going down long term spooner and mcavoy looks good in trade for trouba.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Trouba can be a stickler and only tell the wings he will sign with them to play only in detroit so no other team will trade for him but chevy can be just as much of a stickler and not trade him and he won't play at all. If he wanted to play wherever he wants he should have just stayed in College and then turned pro in 4 years and sign with Detroit then.

do you honestly see Trouba sitting out all year?

lets say he did, do you see his trade value then going up?

if he did sit out all year, do you think he would want to ever play for winnipeg again/be welcomed back in the locker room?

their are negative consequences for the Jets should that route be taken

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Bryan Little has a major injury.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Bryan Little has a major injury.

Bruins might consider offers for Spooner +

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Not surprising you'd think that given you're a Red Wings fan, however there is simply no deal to be made between the Wings and the Jets unless Larkin is coming back

True and Larkin's value right now is at least slightly higher then Trouba, So Winnipeg would at least need a small add or something. And it wouldn't work out cap wise for us without another significant piece going back to Winnipeg to be able to afford to give Trouba around $5 million to $5.5 million or so long term.

 

[Evil Little]

Bryan Little has a major injury.

Temporary hole in the lineup vs. long-term hole in the lineup (young, high-end D).

I don't think it's relevant with regard to Trouba.

 

[BB88]

Bruins might consider offers for Spooner +

Would have to be a helluva +.

Little won't be out for the whole year most likely and Winnipeg isn't in their win window.
C Scheifele 23y, C Little 28, C Perreault 28y, with C's Petan& Roslovic developing in the AHL.
Spooner is not that valuable for Winnipeg, they need defense.

 

[Maukkis]

Bruins might consider offers for Spooner +

We have similar players to Spooner already. The type of center who would replace Little isn't what Spooner is. (you have one, but let's not go there)

I'm guessing that we go Scheifele-Perreault-X-Copp, with the X being one of Matthias, Burmi and Lowry. Spooner isn't needed simply because the type of player he is.

 

[mouser]

Has there been any media chatter Trouba might still be open to re-signing? Or is it trade or nothing?

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Would have to be a helluva +.

Little won't be out for the whole year most likely and Winnipeg isn't in their win window.
C Scheifele 23y, C Little 28, C Perreault 28y, with C's Petan& Roslovic developing in the AHL.
Spooner is not that valuable for Winnipeg, they need defense.

We have similar players to Spooner already. The type of center who would replace Little isn't what Spooner is. (you have one, but let's not go there)

I'm guessing that we go Scheifele-Perreault-X-Copp, with the X being one of Matthias, Burmi and Lowry. Spooner isn't needed simply because the type of player he is.

Fair enough. Just my first thought of a fit with Little going down.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What if Detroit offered draft picks, like their next two number 1 picks. Would the Jets bite?

Holland would never do this period, And this wouldn't help us shed salary that we would need to pay Trouba any ways.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Has there been any media chatter Trouba might still be open to re-signing? Or is it trade or nothing?

I kind of got the feeling that the way Overhardt was squirting around the usage issue by Lawless, That it pretty much sounded like to me the Trouba is finished in the Peg and has no desire to play there period. So i'm kind of taking it with a grain of salt right now.

 

[Daximus]

Daximus

do you honestly see Trouba sitting out all year?

lets say he did, do you see his trade value then going up?

if he did sit out all year, do you think he would want to ever play for winnipeg again/be welcomed back in the locker room?

their are negative consequences for the Jets should that route be taken

For him as well. Dictating your way around the league doesn't make you any friends. I don't think anyone is weeping for him at this time except maybe his parents. The Jets have attempted to reach out with offers and they refuse to even negotiate at all. He's puting himself in this situation and the Jets are not going to take a lose to cave to a players demands on where and when to be traded. Trouba is putting himself in this situation by refusing to communicate anything but "trade me here"

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

For him as well. Dictating your way around the league doesn't make you any friends. I don't think anyone is weeping for him at this time except maybe his parents. The Jets have attempted to reach out with offers and they refuse to even negotiate at all. He's puting himself in this situation and the Jets are not going to take a lose to cave to a players demands on where and when to be traded. Trouba is putting himself in this situation by refusing to communicate anything but "trade me here"

i agree 100%

but...

do players usually face the brunt of the negative or does the team?

when luongo demanded a trade to florida(was he willing to go anywhere else?) or kesler to california, neither of those players were hurt at all by it and yet both handcuffed the Canucks

marty st louis did the same thing and limited it to NY and?

it unfortunately happens