Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

those teams could create nice packages for trouba, its not far fetched at all

Yeah but by all accounts Trouba doesn't want to play that far west out in Arizona but closer to home near Detroit. Maybe a deal could happen with Toronto on a 4 year deal that takes him up to UFA status but doubt Toronto gives up the pieces for that short of time without him signing long term and i just don't see him wanting to stay in Toronto more then his 4 years of RFA.

 

[Say What]

IMO, the Winnipeg Jets will not be granting Jacob Trouba UFA status, as an RFA.

I personally believe that Kevin Cheveldayoff has the support of other GM's, Agents, players and Owners. The lockout and subsequent creation of the new CBA wasn't put in place, so that any individual member that decides they don't like how it applies to their situation, can choose to circumvent it.

As an RFA, Jacob has every right to not sign a contract that he feels pays him below market value. However, demanding where a coach plays you and/or what city you want to be in; that is generally reserved for NHL veterans (UFA's) that are coveted by numerous teams (they've earned that right).

IMO, not many Owners & GM's are lining up to help Mr. Trouba and his Camp get their way. To me, this is business as usual for TNSE.

 

[Hunter368]

Lol Eklund saying that Toronto and Arizona are finalist for Trouba and a deal could go down next week. Sure Eklund that means that neither will get Trouba must be the Eklund is needing more hits on HockeyBuzz.

One of the more believable rumours from Eklund.

Leafs have Gardiner or very high end young forwards to offer.

Dogs have some very nice prospects and pieces to offer as well.

Time will tell.

 

[aj8000]

Yeah but it would be a team of Trouba's choosing not Cheveldayoff's choosing. He can still controll what part of the country he wants to play in or just sit out Chevy can't just say you're getting traded to Edmonton like it or not it doesn't work that way he would still have to agree to sign a contract there and more then likely wouldn't.

There is no way the Jets will let a RFA dictate terms like that. if he wants to play in the NHL, he will sign a contract with he Jets. After he has signed, I am sure the jets will consider his preferred location; however, If they trade him, it will be to the benefit of the Jets not Trouba. If Trouba's agent has poisoned the well so the Jets are unable to trade for the Jets benefit, then they have nothing to lose than to let him sit and he can can come back when he is 27.

 

[Stej]

NO fans are wishing they get trouba for nothing

But I think other fans know for 100% fact two things

- trouba will never ever be forced to sit in europe or at home for the next 4 years if he dosent do as Chevy says
- the chances that a LHD dman of equal billing, talent, and experience will be offered let alone offered from a team trouba would sign long term with

One HAS to begin with that premise otherwise its just emotional not analyitical

I don't think you understand the word 'fact'. Neither of those are facts by any stretched definition of the word. Sorry, bud.

 

[JetsHomer]

Yeah but by all accounts Trouba doesn't want to play that far west out in Arizona but closer to home near Detroit. Maybe a deal could happen with Toronto on a 4 year deal that takes him up to UFA status but doubt Toronto gives up the pieces for that short of time without him signing long term and i just don't see him wanting to stay in Toronto more then his 4 years of RFA.

What accounts are those? Please provide a source

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

One of the more believable rumours from Eklund.

Leafs have Gardiner or very high end young forwards to offer.

Dogs have some very nice prospects and pieces to offer as well.

Time will tell.

Yup it could possibly be a little more truth to this then his other rumors.

Though there hasn't been any rumblings of Arizona being involved or even talking to Overhardt most of the so called talking more or less are east coast teams like the Bruins, Rangers, Red Wings of course or the Devils very little with western teams or even Canadian teams for that matter.

Yup i agree only time will tell.

 

[Menzinger]

IMO, the Winnipeg Jets will not be granting Jacob Trouba UFA status, as an RFA.

I personally believe that Kevin Cheveldayoff has the support of other GM's, Agents, players and Owners. The lockout and subsequent creation of the new CBA wasn't put in place, so that any individual member that decides they don't like how it applies to their situation, can choose to circumvent it.

As an RFA, Jacob has every right to not sign a contract that he feels pays him below market value. However, demanding where a coach plays you and/or what city you want to be in; that is generally reserved for NHL veterans (UFA's) that are coveted by numerous teams (they've earned that right).

IMO, not many Owners & GM's are lining up to help Mr. Trouba and his Camp get their way. To me, this is business as usual for TNSE.

I think this is a pretty optimistic view from the Jets POV.

I doubt other GMs feel like doing them any favours - likely are circling like Sharks in bloody water trying to get a young D man for below market value

 

[Stej]

I get a real kick out of watching other fans get pissy because Chevy won't deal Trouba for a borderline decent prospect, a depth player (quasi- cap dump in most cases) and a 2nd rounder.

Do you not realize that quantity like that often amounts to nearly nothing? If that's what Trouba is worth, I choose nothing and I look forward to him not being in the NHL for the next 5 years.

A small market like Winnipeg absolutely cannot allow controlled players to call the shots like Trouba is trying to do. The CBA exists in its current state for just this situation. Sure, Winnnipeg might be better off to just "get what they can" in this situation specifically, but what does that say to future high-profile RFAs who may have aspirations to play elsewhere? It tells them to just play hardball and eventually Chevy will give you whatever you want. Might as well be UFA in that case. Not a good model for building a team going forward.

TL;DR? Can't view this in a vacuum. Sorry.

 

[Apotheosis]

Yeah but by all accounts Trouba doesn't want to play that far west out in Arizona but closer to home near Detroit. Maybe a deal could happen with Toronto on a 4 year deal that takes him up to UFA status but doubt Toronto gives up the pieces for that short of time without him signing long term and i just don't see him wanting to stay in Toronto more then his 4 years of RFA.

I hope you do realize how close Detroit is to Toronto.

 

[North]

I think this is a pretty optimistic view from the Jets POV.

I doubt other GMs feel like doing them any favours - likely are circling like Sharks in bloody water trying to get a young D man for below market value

They probably are trying to get him for below market value, that's why he's still sitting at home. Not going to happen.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What accounts are those? Please provide a source

It was mentioned in rumor sites, You can look them up even Jet fans said that Trouba wants to be close to home and doesn't want to play in Canada it's on your own board even Dreger just mentioned that Detroit was Trouba's first choice. It was on the Jets board where some Jet fans said that Trouba's dad is looking at marketing his son here in the US and the speculation was that his family wants him to be close to home playing in the Eastern Conference. Of course it is mere speculation but it's quite obvious that Trouba no longer wants to be a part of the Winnipeg organization you don't ask for a trade because you're unhappy to be playing on your off handside you ask for a trade because the team you're playing for is no longer desirable.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

If Leafs can acquire Trouba without giving up Rielly(which there is no chance in hell it would happen, but Im sure Chevy would ask that)... id be extremely more impressed with Leafs management.

I don't see Jets wanting Gardiner as the main piece coming back, so I really don't know how it could happen... cause they apparently want a LHD

My money has always been on Yotes acquiring him. Yotes forwards are set for the future and with a top pairing of OEL and Trouba, they would look real solid for many years

 

[Apotheosis]

If Leafs can acquire Trouba without giving up Rielly(which there is no chance in hell it would happen, but Im sure Chevy would ask that)... id be extremely more impressed with Leafs management.

I don't see Jets wanting Gardiner as the main piece coming back, so I really don't know how it could happen... cause they apparently want a LHD

My money has always been on Yotes acquiring him

Gardiner+ would likely be the price.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Gardiner+ would likely be the price.

Im not a Jets fan but I hope they don't acquire Gardiner as the main piece. I just am not a fan at all of Gardiner. This deal would benefit Leafs unbelievably.

IMO the + would have to be quite significant if Jets did this

 

[Menzinger]

They probably are trying to get him for below market value, that's why he's still sitting at home. Not going to happen.

But how long can that go on for?

Trouba's value isn't going up by not playing. And see you can just say "he'll wait Trouba out" but to what end

At worst he ruins a promising young man's career and gets zero return on a former top 10 pick.

Maybe he's able to patch things up like Yzerman did with Drouin but that's no guarante

 

[Apotheosis]

Im not a Jets fan but I hope they don't acquire Gardiner as the main piece. I just am not a fan at all of Gardiner. This deal would benefit Leafs unbelievably.

IMO the + would have to be qute significant if Jets did this

Gardiner is a good defence man though and fills a need.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I hope you do realize how close Detroit is to Toronto.

No kidding i'm from the Detroit Area originally and have been to Toronto over 50 times in my lifetime so i know how close Toronto is to Detroit. It's just that most of the speculation says that Trouba wants to play for an Eastern Conference American team and has no desire to play in Toronto period. Obviously Detroit would be his first team of choice even Dreger said that.

 

[Menzinger]

Im not a Jets fan but I hope they don't acquire Gardiner as the main piece. I just am not a fan at all of Gardiner. This deal would benefit Leafs unbelievably.

IMO the + would have to be quite significant if Jets did this

It would likely be a Gardiner + Kapanen/Brown level prospect. So a good + but not at a bluechip level

That package may not do anything for you but is likely pretty close to what the Jets will end up getting.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I don't think you understand the word 'fact'. Neither of those are facts by any stretched definition of the word. Sorry, bud.

no sorry they're

once you take emotion out of it, and i agree with you thats hard, then you will see those two aspects as truths

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Gardiner is a good defence man though and fills a need.

Oh Im sure many people do like him, Im just saying Ive never been a fan of him and really would hate to see the deal happen.

I know many Leaf fans don't like him either when reading GDT's haha

I say Yotes will get him

 

[tacogeoff]

I get a real kick out of watching other fans get pissy because Chevy won't deal Trouba for a borderline decent prospect, a depth player (quasi- cap dump in most cases) and a 2nd rounder.

Do you not realize that quantity like that often amounts to nearly nothing? If that's what Trouba is worth, I choose nothing and I look forward to him not being in the NHL for the next 5 years.

A small market like Winnipeg absolutely cannot allow controlled players to call the shots like Trouba is trying to do. The CBA exists in its current state for just this situation. Sure, Winnnipeg might be better off to just "get what they can" in this situation specifically, but what does that say to future high-profile RFAs who may have aspirations to play elsewhere? It tells them to just play hardball and eventually Chevy will give you whatever you want. Might as well be UFA in that case. Not a good model for building a team going forward.

TL;DR? Can't view this in a vacuum. Sorry.

ya........we have no clue what is going on in the background in the real world.

everyone is speculating at this point. I don't see too many "pissy" comments on here. just offer, counters and declines. Its a fun thread...now don't get all "pissy" on us

 

[sully1410]

But how long can that go on for?

Trouba's value isn't going up by not playing. And see you can just say "he'll wait Trouba out" but to what end

At worst he ruins a promising young man's career and gets zero return on a former top 10 pick.

Maybe he's able to patch things up like Yzerman did with Drouin but that's no guarante

Trouba is the one that should be worried about his career. He's the none that decoded to sit out. All efforts have been made to sign him, but to no avail. If he wants to be traded, he'll have to wait till a good return comes.

 

[Hoverhand]

Im not a Jets fan but I hope they don't acquire Gardiner as the main piece. I just am not a fan at all of Gardiner. This deal would benefit Leafs unbelievably.

IMO the + would have to be quite significant if Jets did this

Well as a Leafs fans I wouldn't do Trouba for Gardiner straight up.

He's a great two-way defenceman that rarely makes mistakes and has a great contract id rather keep him than acquire a 22 year old attitude problem that probably wants north of 6 million who may or may not be the top paring RHD we need.

 

[Stej]

no sorry they're

once you take emotion out of it, and i agree with you thats hard, then you will see those two aspects as truths

What does emotion have to do with facts?

And I'm not emotional about this at all. You'll just have to take my word for it.