Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[gwh]

Agent is like a janitor.

Great janitor you never know about. Things just work.

Bad janitor has sewage floating through cellar every year, because then someone needs to look important to fix the mess.

 

[4thline]

Why do you even care? It's not like he'd be willing to play in Toronto either. I'd think you'd be more worrying about Matthews trying the same thing in 3 years when he wants to go play in Arizona.

I'll buy that "Usage is just a smokescreen he wants out of Winnipeg" but the whole "but not Winnipeg specifically he won't play anywhere in Canada" reeks of unsubstantiated denial.

 

[aj8000]

Well how important is it that Winnipeg makes the playoffs this season?

If the losses pile up because of the defense, it would be pretty poor asset management to let Trouba sit if he could bring in a reasonable deal that would help the blue line.

So this really will be a game of chicken if the Jets faulter. Unless nobody cares about making the playoffs and Chevy can let Trouba rot.

if the Jets cannot get a equal defense man in return for Trouba, the losses would be regardless since the Jets have replacements for him already that are not as good. So the point is irrelevant.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba to Penguins

Puoliot to Jets?.

anyona??

Not even close, Any deal sending Trouba to the Penguins would surely involve Maatta, And pretty sure that JR wouldn't do that.

 

[aj8000]

I agree with some on here saying that, we are fine without him(albeit better with him). Morrissey can be sheltered on the 3rd line to help his development, Chairot played well with Buff when they were paired together. NTM we have a extremely deep prospect pool if we want to trade for an LHD after the expansion draft.(or for an exempt LHD before). this is before we even get a return for Trouba. If this occurs then we don't have to restrict ourselves to a LHD trade and take best offer possible. Also, I believe if Trouba sits the year, we wouldn't have to protect him in the expansion draft because he is without a contract.....is that true? If so.....sit down Troubs, so management can show others what it's like to negotiate like this in the Peg!

We still need to protect him

 

[ffh]

I'll buy that "Usage is just a smokescreen he wants out of Winnipeg" but the whole "but not Winnipeg specifically he won't play anywhere in Canada" reeks of unsubstantiated denial.

then why not even discuss a contract all . why not make it easier to trade you with a 6 year deal. because he wants to get traded and get to choose were he wants to play. if he was ok to play wherever but wpg he would have signed and made it easier to trade him

 

[lomiller1]

Also, I believe if Trouba sits the year, we wouldn't have to protect him in the expansion draft because he is without a contract.....is that true? If so.....sit down Troubs, so management can show others what it's like to negotiate like this in the Peg!

I believe the terminology includes something to the effect of “or own the rights to†so I think they would still need to protect him.

Unless someone like Dana has a huge season it likely won’t be an issue anyway. Every team IS going to lose someone in expansion, what matters isn’t whether as player needs to be protected but how big a difference that makes in the quality of player you end up losing, and in the Jets case there isn’t much difference in who they lose. Does it really matter if they lose Armia instead of Burmistrov or Lowry? It’s not even clear which one they would want to protect even if they had the option.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Here's a twist - Anaheim gets both Lindholm and Trouba, setting up a wicked top-4.

To Anaheim: Trouba, Chiarot, Dano, Hutchinson

To Winnipeg: Theodore, Rakell, Montour / Larsson, Depres, Bernier

Dano is an NHL-ready forward on ELC.

Anaheim top-4..

Lindholm-Trouba
Fowler-Vatanen

Anaheim has cap-space to spare.

Anaheim has cap-space to spare, How do you figure $6 million to $6.5 million per for Lindholm the only cap Anaheim is moving out is Rakell who's supposedly asking for $4 million per Trouba would cost Anaheim at least $5 million to $5.5 million per long term and adding Fowler's $4 million on top no way can Anaheim afford this once Lindholm and Rakell are resigned Anaheim will have to shed salary big time probably moving Fowler. Sorry but this deal doesn't help Anaheim in the least.

 

[4thline]

then why not even discuss a contract all . why not make it easier to trade you with a 6 year deal. because he wants to get traded and get to choose were he wants to play. if he was ok to play wherever but wpg he would have signed and made it easier to trade him

There's a large inferential gap between

Wants out of Winnipeg--> Willing to go anywhere
to
Wants out of Winnipeg--> Wants control of the destination (proximity to home, playing situation, contract offer, etc)
to
Wants out of Canada, has nothing to do with Winnipeg, our city is no less attractive than any other

 

[snake schneibler]

I believe the terminology includes something to the effect of “or own the rights to†so I think they would still need to protect him.

Unless someone like Dana has a huge season it likely won’t be an issue anyway. Every team IS going to lose someone in expansion, what matters isn’t whether as player needs to be protected but how big a difference that makes in the quality of player you end up losing, and in the Jets case there isn’t much difference in who they lose. Does it really matter if they lose Armia instead of Burmistrov or Lowry? It’s not even clear which one they would want to protect even if they had the option.

good point, not a huge loss, I still think that we weather the storm if he sits the season, if he's stupid enough to do that. Chevy needs to set a precedent

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'll pitch up a trade For Trouba

DeHaan (a 2nd pairing), Pulock (young potential top 4) and Bailey (to offset $)

Not the ideal return but here the jets get some future in a Manitoba boy and get a steady LHD to play with BUFF.

Pretty sure the only way Trouba is going to Brooklyn, Is if Hamonic is going home to Winnipeg and i doubt that happens any more at least until Hamonic becomes a UFA.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Can't post a link from my phone, but the Score (via Dreger) is saying Detroit made an offer in the summer but Holland backed away because the price was to high (2 of there top forward prospects).

Yup pretty sure it was Larkin+Mantha/AA and for obvious good reasons he backed away pretty sure it would be cheaper now i mean probably DDK and another pieces maybe Ouellet could get it done now. But just don't see Holland moving DDK for Trouba he would want to pair them together.

 

[MikeRahl]

Yup pretty sure it was Larkin+Mantha/AA and for obvious good reasons he backed away pretty sure it would be cheaper now i mean probably DDK and another pieces maybe Ouellet could get it done now. But just don't see Holland moving DDK for Trouba he would want to pair them together.

Why would it be cheaper now with more teams in the mix?

 

[Psuhockey]

if the Jets cannot get a equal defense man in return for Trouba, the losses would be regardless since the Jets have replacements for him already that are not as good. So the point is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant because it would be poor asset management if Trouba rots while he could be used to help the team. I am not saying Winnipeg should take a crap deal either just to deal. I am saying chevy's price wil have to come down a bit if the loses pile up. He won't be getting some else's established young LHD but more likely a NHL ready prospect plus something else like a Vet.

That's only if the team faulters because it will become a distraction at that point with the media constantly asking about Trouba.

 

[lomiller1]

I'll buy that "Usage is just a smokescreen he wants out of Winnipeg" but the whole "but not Winnipeg specifically he won't play anywhere in Canada" reeks of unsubstantiated denial.

It’s no more or less substantiated than “he wants out of Winnipeg†as neither has been confirmed by either side.
In terms of denial I think maybe you are projecting. Toronto has to overpay to big name Americans free agents to play there in baseball and basketball, why would hockey be any different?

While neither has been confirmed the “he doesn't want to play in Canada version is coming from a lit of different places. E.g. When discussing why Trouba for Hall trade didn’t happen if Trouba had already asked for a trade Bob McKenzie said "I had an NHL GM say to me today, 'What I wonder is does he want to play in Canada.'"

As already noted above Trouba and his agent have flat out refused to negotiate a contract. They haven’t made any demands or allowed the Jets to even make an offer other than the QO required by the NHL. The reason a player would do this is because if they have a contract they can’t control where they get traded.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Why would it be cheaper now with more teams in the mix?

Meaning that supposedly Cheveldayoff wanted Larkin and another high prospect from Detroit probably Mantha for Trouba first off that's way overpayment for Trouba who's seeking a trade out of Winnipeg so that would never happen. If Cheveldayoff would say ask for DDK+Ouellet for Trouba it would be cheaper then the supposedly Larkin Mantha as is what i was eluding to. And how do we know there's more teams in the mix the only ones mentioned so far is. Detroit, New York Rangers, Boston, Arizona and speculation is that he only wants to play for Eastern Conference American teams.

 

[Gump Hasek]

It's not irrelevant because it would be poor asset management if Trouba rots while he could be used to help the team. I am not saying Winnipeg should take a crap deal either just to deal. I am saying chevy's price wil have to come down a bit if the loses pile up. He won't be getting some else's established young LHD but more likely a NHL ready prospect plus something else like a Vet.

That isn't the sole option here. Am guessing that a more realistic end-game is that Chevy will add something from his vast arsenal of assets and is currently attempting to acquire an upgrade. He has 10 first round picks in the organization that are age-23 or younger; he can use one of those as an add, or conversely can sacrifice a roster player or two that is replaceable in-house as part of a larger move to shift culture. People need to get off the "it's Trouba for a downgrade" meme as the lone option. Chevy is more likely to work to ensure that isn't the end result.

 

[nickschultzfan]

Meaning that supposedly Cheveldayoff wanted Larkin and another high prospect from Detroit probably Mantha for Trouba first off that's way overpayment for Trouba who's seeking a trade out of Winnipeg so that would never happen. If Cheveldayoff would say ask for DDK+Ouellet for Trouba it would be cheaper then the supposedly Larkin Mantha as is what i was eluding to. And how do we know there's more teams in the mix the only ones mentioned so far is. Detroit, New York Rangers, Boston, Arizona and speculation is that he only wants to play for Eastern Conference American teams.

To Wings
Trouba

To Jets
Brodin
Zucker

To Wild
Larkin

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

To Wings
Trouba

To Jets
Brodin
Zucker

To Wild
Larkin

No thanks if it takes Larkin to get Trouba, Then Trouba will be playing elsewhere.

 

[57special]

As much as DRW needs defence, I don't see them moving Larkin. Really, it might be better DRW and MN to do a deal straight across, but I can't think of a player that would entice the Wild to give up a Brodin/Scandella/? Except Larkin. For Larkin, you give up a Dman, Granlund, and a prospect like Greenway or Olofsson.

It's a longshot. Larkin is probably the last player that DRW Should be moving. If you're talking a player like Ekblad you do it, Parayko you think about it, but I don't see how you're further ahead with Trouba than you are with Larkin.

It's all projecting at this point. Both are young players, and it's really hard to say who will have the better career. I do know that the Wild have no need for Trouba, but they do for a Larkin type.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

me thinks the wings choose larkin.over trouba everyday of the week

I mean both are good young players but larkin looks like he wull be more of a difference maker

Nyquist plus smith plus a prospect?

 

[Donzo]

Gotta say I'm a little disappointed by the absence of ridiculous offers for OEL, if only because the Jets could overwhelm them with elite young talent outside of Laine.

 

[North]

me thinks the wings choose larkin.over trouba everyday of the week

I mean both are good young players but larkin looks like he wull be more of a difference maker

Nyquist plus smith plus a prospect?

Nyquist is not needed. Smith is not that good. Prospects we have in abundance.

I don't blame Detroit for saying no to Larkin because he does look like he's going to be something special.

It's just clear Detroit and Winnipeg don't match up as trade partners.

 

[Hunter368]

Gotta say I'm a little disappointed by the absence of ridiculous offers for OEL, if only because the Jets could overwhelm them with elite young talent outside of Laine.

From the offers ive seen most Jets fans have been pretty reasonable (value wise) in there opinions/offers, albeit they are being very specific on the type of return. I don't think any Jets fan would expect OEL as the return, even with a plus.

Obviously OEL would be the Holy grail return, just not realistic

 

[tbcwpg]

me thinks the wings choose larkin.over trouba everyday of the week

I mean both are good young players but larkin looks like he wull be more of a difference maker

Nyquist plus smith plus a prospect?

A forward cannot be the main piece coming back.