Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III
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Man, every time I take a look at these Trouba trade proposal threads it just reminds me how completely unrealistic Jets fans expectations are when it comes to a return.
Typically "star" players that are contract issues who want to be traded don't return as much as you'd like. Avs fans have experienced this first hand recently with the O'Reilly situation. Us fans thought we were going to get the moon for O'Reilly, but while we got a decent return it was nowhere near as good as we thought it was going to be.
When Jets fans ask for MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, sorry it's not going to happen. Nope. Never. Next. You can also probably forget asking about Rantanen or Jost as the Avs are extremely thin upfront and it wouldn't make sense to deal any top end offensive prospect for a defensive player.
I also see the ignorance in most Jets fans when they want Zadorov over Bigras. While Zadorov does have more raw talent than Bigras, Bigras is a very solid young player. Who is much more consistent and could easily turn into the better NHLer in the long run, as Zadorov is kind of a boom or bust type guy and who knows if he'll ever hit that Boom stage of his career. I personally think Bigras will have the better NHL career and would trade Zadorov before I traded Bigras.
So based on the past and extrapolating what ROR returned to the Avs as a basis for trading a younger player with contract demands. A fair deal probably looks something like:
Bigras (nice prospect with high potential), Compher (another higher end prospect who has played well with one of your top prospects), Beaudin (mid level prospect with decent potential), cap dump (probably Comeau), 1st for Trouba and mid level roster player(Lowry) or prospect (Lemieux).
I know it's not exactly what Jets fans want from Trouba, but the likelihood of Jets finding a 1 for 1 type deal with any team is not high at this point in time with a guy making contract demands. Unfortunately that hurts a players value and GMs know this and will play the waiting game. Just like GMs waited for the O'Reilly situation to unfold in Colorado because they knew inevitably that it would get to the point where we had to move on from the player.
Typically "star" players that are contract issues who want to be traded don't return as much as you'd like. Avs fans have experienced this first hand recently with the O'Reilly situation. Us fans thought we were going to get the moon for O'Reilly, but while we got a decent return it was nowhere near as good as we thought it was going to be.
When Jets fans ask for MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, sorry it's not going to happen. Nope. Never. Next. You can also probably forget asking about Rantanen or Jost as the Avs are extremely thin upfront and it wouldn't make sense to deal any top end offensive prospect for a defensive player.
I also see the ignorance in most Jets fans when they want Zadorov over Bigras. While Zadorov does have more raw talent than Bigras, Bigras is a very solid young player. Who is much more consistent and could easily turn into the better NHLer in the long run, as Zadorov is kind of a boom or bust type guy and who knows if he'll ever hit that Boom stage of his career. I personally think Bigras will have the better NHL career and would trade Zadorov before I traded Bigras.
So based on the past and extrapolating what ROR returned to the Avs as a basis for trading a younger player with contract demands. A fair deal probably looks something like:
Bigras (nice prospect with high potential), Compher (another higher end prospect who has played well with one of your top prospects), Beaudin (mid level prospect with decent potential), cap dump (probably Comeau), 1st for Trouba and mid level roster player(Lowry) or prospect (Lemieux).
I know it's not exactly what Jets fans want from Trouba, but the likelihood of Jets finding a 1 for 1 type deal with any team is not high at this point in time with a guy making contract demands. Unfortunately that hurts a players value and GMs know this and will play the waiting game. Just like GMs waited for the O'Reilly situation to unfold in Colorado because they knew inevitably that it would get to the point where we had to move on from the player.
Maukkis
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After a year of being told that by every fanbase who thinks that our players can be lowballed because, you know, reasons, I don't think anyone of us cares about those opinions.
SaltySkywalker
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Haha, so you've been hearing it from every fan base...hmmmm, maybe it's true? I think the "lowballed" is probably just closer to reality.
These zadorov + rants as a BASIS are just...
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Maukkis
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Do you realize that we would be sending a 22-year-old top pairing defenseman to a divisional rival? The ask will not be low, which results in no deal being made.
SaltySkywalker
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Which makes sending a potential top pairing defensemen in Zads (1 year younger) AND an almost guaranteed top 6 forward in rantanen as a deal starter even more asinine.
Maukkis
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Zadorov... the one who's a year older than Trouba, yet he has over 100 games less experience in the NHL? The one who spent the majority of the season in the AHL last year?
I get it, you love your prospects. Now tell me, what has Zadorov done to be more valuable to Trouba? (hint: nothing.)
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Maukkis
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I did. He said that Zadorov+ as a basis is... something. I told him what it could be, or actually, what it is: fine. Whether or not you and your friend Skywalker want to admit it, up to you two.
Avs44
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Clearly you did not read it. He said Zadorov + Rantanen as a basis is something. Did you miss the inclusion of one of the best foward prospects in the league in there?
Maukkis
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I read it as rants. As in, the plural form of rant.
...this is why we don't use nicknames on the main boards, is it.
SaltySkywalker
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Huh?!? I'm just debunking these ridiculous Zadorov + Rants proposals.
Oh, and Zadorov is a year YOUNGER and I never directly compared him to Trouba, ever. Obviously, Trouba holds more value.
SaltySkywalker
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Sorry I forgot to capitalize the R. Not like the whole discussion has been about the two prospects...
sully1410
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Requesting a trade does not suddenly make his value plummet. Until the right deal comes along or a contract is signed, Trouba will sit on his ass. It's the same thing that happened with Drouin last season.
The asking price for him is high because he is already a top pairing defenseman. You don't just give those away.
I know there was talk of a Trouba from Duchene deal at some point...but that might have gone the way of the Dodo when Roy left. The Jets have other assets to get a Dman another way.
The asking price for him is high because he is already a top pairing defenseman. You don't just give those away.
I know there was talk of a Trouba from Duchene deal at some point...but that might have gone the way of the Dodo when Roy left. The Jets have other assets to get a Dman another way.
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Oh really? News to this Avs fan. What evidence do you have that supports this burning hot take?
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It's hard to know the value of a player that has to be traded. More often than not they tend to go for packages.
O'Reilly returned Zadorov, Grigorenko, 2nd round pick and Compher.
Turris returned Rundblad, 2nd round pick
Saad returned Dano, Anisimov (minor pieces added on both sides)
Cheveldayoff tried to keep the appearances up in September here by claiming as if Trouba was part of the long term plans. That triggered the Trouba camp and they released the statement that they had asked for a trade back in May. That means every GM know Cheveldayoff has limited leverage. He'll probably get a decent trade return but it won't be the one for one he might have fishing for since May.
O'Reilly returned Zadorov, Grigorenko, 2nd round pick and Compher.
Turris returned Rundblad, 2nd round pick
Saad returned Dano, Anisimov (minor pieces added on both sides)
Cheveldayoff tried to keep the appearances up in September here by claiming as if Trouba was part of the long term plans. That triggered the Trouba camp and they released the statement that they had asked for a trade back in May. That means every GM know Cheveldayoff has limited leverage. He'll probably get a decent trade return but it won't be the one for one he might have fishing for since May.
SaltySkywalker
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It's not like your posts had any merit to them before this post, but now they certainly dont.
GoJetsGo55
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I think most of us believe that's all a smokescreen and that he just wants out of Winnipeg. The whole right side thing is PR.
The people who are saying Trouba isn't going to return what Chevy wants are right.
So are the people who know he's still a pretty damn good dman even if he doesn't get any better.
Jets aren't trading him. No one will give up what he's worth. The Jets aren't going to just do him a solid and take a big loss on a guy they drafted 4 years ago.
It might take a month and a half, but he will be back.
So are the people who know he's still a pretty damn good dman even if he doesn't get any better.
Jets aren't trading him. No one will give up what he's worth. The Jets aren't going to just do him a solid and take a big loss on a guy they drafted 4 years ago.
It might take a month and a half, but he will be back.
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