Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[Hunter368]

There is no pressure right now.

You sound so naive.

There is zero pressure on Chevy right now from the owner (who has publically expressed his support for chevy), zero from fans.....Trouba is now looked at as a gready spoiled kid. Fans/owner fully support the GM, not player.

Only thing that might change that is if the Jets lose 8 of their first 10 games or so.

 

[Lurch]

Instead of misusing a guy and forcing him play somewhere he doesn't want to, perhaps the Jets should focus more on making the team a better place to work? All this talk of playing hard ball I think is counterproductive for the team. What UFA in their right mind would want to sign with a team like that. The high taxes and awful climate can't be helped; but treating your employees well would go a long way I would imagine.

Take our low ball offer to work in a miserable place because we own you for 7 years is not an employer I would work for.

 

[R3DDRAG0N]

Instead of misusing a guy and forcing him play somewhere he doesn't want to, perhaps the Jets should focus more on making the team a better place to work? All this talk of playing hard ball I think is counterproductive for the team. What UFA in their right mind would want to sign with a team like that. The high taxes and awful climate can't be helped; but treating your employees well would go a long way I would imagine.

Take our low ball offer to work in a miserable place because we own you for 7 years is not an employer I would work for.

This short sighted, counter-intuitive statement is exactly the opposite of what any competent GM/franchise would do...why?, because it sends a long term message that we will not be strong armed by a RFA with no rights.....it trumps any arguments about possible UFA situations. We are treating our employees fine, they are the ones who have forced our hand and backed us into a corner, not the other way around. 100% behind the team.

 

[JetsHomer]

Instead of misusing a guy and forcing him play somewhere he doesn't want to, perhaps the Jets should focus more on making the team a better place to work? All this talk of playing hard ball I think is counterproductive for the team. What UFA in their right mind would want to sign with a team like that. The high taxes and awful climate can't be helped; but treating your employees well would go a long way I would imagine.

Take our low ball offer to work in a miserable place because we own you for 7 years is not an employer I would work for.

What makes you think the Jets are low balling Trouba? That's not how this situation went down.

 

[cobra427]

No, you still appear confused and are dismissing that a majority of teams losing their #1C for a good portion of the season (and at crunch time) would be hooped, just like the Jets were - given they were in the process of transitioning their roster toward some younger players. They are building depth and the players they are adding are in general much more-talented than those that have departed. The Jets this year are the deepest they've ever been, by far, with or without Trouba.

The Coyotes had their 1C, Hanzal miss parts of the season too. They have lots of young guys coming in that are way better than the old guys, and had 78 points too, like the Jets. There number 1 and number 2 goalie missed over half the season, had 2 AHL goalies starting The difference is,[MOD], even with NHL goalies, that with our second best D (stone or Murphy), we will make the playoffs, let alone make it without either one of them.

I like the Jets and if Trouba plays or they trade him, they will be better than 78 points. They face huge odds to make the playoffs just like the Coyotes. 78 points to 95 points is a big jump in the West.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Just listened to lebrun who said he talked to some gm's who say jets are in no hurry to trade him and will hold on till they get what they want.
Can we at least start with this premise.

Pretty much most of us thought that Cheveldayoff wouldn't be in any hurry to move Trouba. So this was pretty much predicted.

 

[cobra427]

You are welcome to your opinion; however, the Jets will be in the playoffs this year and actually win a game while there. FWIW, Trouba will be back on the blueline for the Jets sometime before December 1 and I would not be surprised that it is for opening day since him sitting will likely lose him the #1 line with Buff to Morressy.

I would bet against both

 

[Heldig]

Instead of misusing a guy and forcing him play somewhere he doesn't want to, perhaps the Jets should focus more on making the team a better place to work? All this talk of playing hard ball I think is counterproductive for the team. What UFA in their right mind would want to sign with a team like that. The high taxes and awful climate can't be helped; but treating your employees well would go a long way I would imagine.

Take our low ball offer to work in a miserable place because we own you for 7 years is not an employer I would work for.

By many player accounts the Jets organization treat their players extremely well. A few outliers (Kane, Trouba) are not indicative of a miserable place to work.

As NHL locations go, Winnipeg is among the least desirable places for a player. It is a very small market (so does not have the exciting nightlife/ambience of the metropolitan markets) and has very wintery winters. If a multi millionaire who is idolized can't handle that there is precious little the organization can do about it.

 

[Trolfoli]

Trouba should take a "vacation" to Russia. You know, just go see some cities like St Petersburg and Moscow for fun. I want to see the reaction.

 

[JetsHomer]

I love the thought process in this thread.

"If Trouba sits then the Jets don't have assets and Trouba doesn't play, lose-lose. The smart thing is too take a terrible trade so that way the Jets lose but Trouba wins! Plus my team that gets him for a song! Why doesn't Chevy see the logic in this?!?"

 

[VanJack]

Trouba should take a "vacation" to Russia. You know, just go see some cities like St Petersburg and Moscow for fun. I want to see the reaction.

Let's face it....Trouba and his agent are sugar-coating it, but pretty obviously the guy wants out of the 'Peg....probably hoping to get traded to some Sun-Belt team with lower taxes and a fan-base that doesn't know a hockey puck from a beach ball...it happens, particularly with some U.S. born players...the same reasons Kesler wanted out of Vancouver...they don't want to play hockey in a fish-bowl with the rain or -30 winters.

 

[Gump Hasek]

The difference is, [MOD], even with NHL goalies, that with our second best D (stone or Murphy), we will make the playoffs, let alone make it without either one of them.

I didn't once state whether or not I expected the Jets would make the playoffs this season, so perhaps your own delusions lie in crafting an argument against a position I did not take. All I essentially stated was that the Jets would be icing their deepest roster this year, which is the case.

Whether or not they make the playoffs remains in question. At the end of the day however, the Jets weren't nearly as bad last year as you'd initially claimed in this thread. Hope that helps. [MOD]

 

[aj8000]

I would bet against both

Well I doubt he will sit out a year so he will sign before December 1. He will not be traded or it would have happened already unless the Jets terms are met. Just like the likely hood of Tobias being traded are very small.

The Trouba camp likely knows that the going public stunt has failed to get them where they want to be so the only question is when he signs now. He will likely be traded in the future; however, it will be on the Jet's terms not his.

 

[cobra427]

I didn't once state whether or not I expected the Jets would make the playoffs this season, so perhaps your own delusions lie in crafting an argument against a position I did not take. All I essentially stated was that the Jets would be icing their deepest roster this year, which is the case.

Whether or not they make the playoffs remains in question. At the end of the day however, the Jets weren't nearly as bad last year as you'd initially claimed in this thread. Hope that helps. Maybe you should stick to watching the occasional Coyotes game on television.

You said the Jets were stacked. If they are stacked that means playoffs to me, and most others, not 85 points which is more likely. 78 points is bad by the way, no other way to describe that point total. 99 points the year before. If a 21 point decrease is not bad, I don't know what is?

 

[aj8000]

I didn't once state whether or not I expected the Jets would make the playoffs this season, so perhaps your own delusions lie in crafting an argument against a position I did not take. All I essentially stated was that the Jets would be icing their deepest roster this year, which is the case.

Whether or not they make the playoffs remains in question. At the end of the day however, the Jets weren't nearly as bad last year as you'd initially claimed in this thread. Hope that helps. Maybe you should stick to watching the occasional Coyotes game on television.

I did say they will make the playoffs and win at least one game this year with or without Trouba. If cobra wants to call me delusional so be it, however, we will see if I am correct or not. We need to make the playoffs since I need a new avatar

 

[aj8000]

You said the Jets were stacked. If they are stacked that means playoffs to me, and most others, not 85 points which is more likely. 78 points is bad by the way, no other way to describe that point total. 99 points the year before. If a 21 point decrease is not bad, I don't know what is?

Fine we will race your yotes to the bottom then for the first overall pick.

 

[Lundy HOF]

I love the thought process in this thread.

"If Trouba sits then the Jets don't have assets and Trouba doesn't play, lose-lose. The smart thing is too take a terrible trade so that way the Jets lose but Trouba wins! Plus my team that gets him for a song! Why doesn't Chevy see the logic in this?!?"

It's a tough situation. Just like anything else in life the MARKET sets the price of an asset or a good. Chevy may want something nobody will give him. Normally, that's fine - just don't trade the guy and wait but given the complexity of the situation (he is unsigned and essentially won't be playing) you have to be more flexible on your price tag.

He is a very valuable asset so the market will dictate a deal that isn't "terrible". You go to BMW and spend 45k on a listed 50k car, you feel like you won but you still paid a premium price.

Only way imo that Chevy gets full ask is if teams bid the price up themselves - which is entirely possible. I suspect that's exactly what he is hoping is happening right now.

 

[aj8000]

It's a tough situation. Just like anything else in life the MARKET sets the price of an asset or a good. Chevy may want something nobody will give him. Normally, that's fine - just don't trade the guy and wait but given the complexity of the situation (he is unsigned and essentially won't be playing) you have to be more flexible on your price tag.

He is a very valuable asset so the market will dictate a deal that isn't "terrible". You go to BMW and spend 45k on a listed 50k car, you feel like you won but you still paid a premium price.

Only way imo that Chevy gets full ask is if teams bid the price up themselves - which is entirely possible. I suspect that's exactly what he is hoping is happening right now.

The flaw in your logic is that you think that the Jets have to be more flexible.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Quote them(you can't because it's not true). I don't see why Jets fans hold their breath and stomp their feet over this.

Sorry but I don't quite feel like wasting an hour quoting your constant quips at Trouba

What are we stomping our feet over exactly?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Instead of misusing a guy and forcing him play somewhere he doesn't want to, perhaps the Jets should focus more on making the team a better place to work? All this talk of playing hard ball I think is counterproductive for the team. What UFA in their right mind would want to sign with a team like that. The high taxes and awful climate can't be helped; but treating your employees well would go a long way I would imagine.

Take our low ball offer to work in a miserable place because we own you for 7 years is not an employer I would work for.

Troubas agent stated that they have not even looked at one offer from the Jets.

This isn't a case of us being cheap. This is a case of a player wanting out.

 

[ZINFINITY16]

Trouba should take a "vacation" to Russia. You know, just go see some cities like St Petersburg and Moscow for fun. I want to see the reaction.

god that'd be awesome lol

 

[Lundy HOF]

The flaw in your logic is that you think that the Jets have to be more flexible.

It's basic asset management - if nobody will pay the price you don't have a choice.

Well, actually you do, the alternative is he doesn't make a move. Trouba sits out, Chevy gets nothing and we play stalemate nonsense till next season.

Seems legit...

Trouba loses
Chevy lose
The Jets (the players and coaches, etc) lose
Fans - tbd (since some of you would rather get nothing, you may believe it's a "win")

 

[aj8000]

It's basic asset management - if nobody will pay the price you don't have a choice.

Well, actually you do, the alternative is he doesn't make a move. Trouba sits out, Chevy gets nothing and we play stalemate nonsense till next season.

Seems legit...

Trouba loses
Chevy lose
The Jets (the players and coaches, etc) lose
Fans - tbd (since some of you would rather get nothing, you may believe it's a "win")

Basic asset management is exactly what the Jets are doing now. Trouba will not sit out the whole year into the next. Just because fans of teams that want Trouba in their lineup does not mean the jets have to trade him for a bargain basement price.

There are so many things that could happen that would facilitate the jets want so there is no rush at this exact moment.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Let's face it....Trouba and his agent are sugar-coating it, but pretty obviously the guy wants out of the 'Peg....probably hoping to get traded to some Sun-Belt team with lower taxes and a fan-base that doesn't know a hockey puck from a beach ball...it happens, particularly with some U.S. born players...the same reasons Kesler wanted out of Vancouver...they don't want to play hockey in a fish-bowl with the rain or -30 winters.

I agree. It happens. I think the Jets are right to expect good value in return, and I think they'll wait for it. No reason, given that value, that negotiations should turn rancorous or fail altogether. Though would be nice to never have to deal with an Overhardt client again.

 

[Lundy HOF]

Basic asset management is exactly what the Jets are doing now. Trouba will not sit out the whole year into the next. Just because fans of teams that want Trouba in their lineup does not mean the jets have to trade him for a bargain basement price.

There are so many things that could happen that would facilitate the jets want so there is no rush at this exact moment.

You are making assumptions on what Trouba will or will not do. I agree, I don't think he would do that to himself but you have to account for all the variables anyway.

And if you saw my original post - I never said bargain basement price. What I am saying is if teams don't bid themselves up to the value Chevy wants and he can get an 85c on the $; I think he would be foolish not to consider it.

This can drag on for months and if he doesn't get close to ask, it probably should but IF the market doesn't change - it is what it is. Again, the market dictates value; not the GM or the fans.