Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[Halla]

So? When he reaches UFA status he can choose where he gets to play in the NHL. He can also go play in Europe or Russia today if he chooses.

PS: The Jets are pretty stacked this year. The way that Josh Morrissey is playing at LD right now means that Chevy is under zero pressure to move Trouba at the moment, and as such the pressure that you attempted to infer above doesn't actually exist in real life. If he felt any pressure, Trouba would already have been moved by now.

a 78 point team with laine in and trouba out isnt stacked. huge question marks on D and in net.

 

[Gump Hasek]

a 78 point team with laine in and trouba out isnt stacked. huge question marks on D and in net.

LOL

The Jets main issue in the past has been a lack of depth and poor special teams. They've beefed up the special teams by adding Matthias to pk and Jamie Kompon and Todd Woodcroft on the coaching side. Josh Morrissey has seamlessly stepped into the D thus far. Hellebuyck and Hutch will hopefully be the goal-tending; that will allow the Jets to trade Pavelec to the Leafs and then Toronto will finally have a goalie.

They are building depth which is the key here; the Jets can finally ice three scoring lines this season versus being an easily-checked one-line team in the past.

 

[cobra427]

You seem confused; I stated they are stacked this season, not last season. Last season is pretty much irrelevant considering they lost their #1C to a neck injury for the final 1/3 of the season, traded their captain, and added a bunch of young guys to the roster.

You also appear to be confusing a team currently transitioning toward much-more talented young players with a team that lacks the required horses. This article may help you to understand where the Jets currently stand:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jets-window-opportunity-opening-sooner-later/

I'm not confused, I understand 78 points to 96 points(Needed to make playoffs) is a 20%+ improvement. Every team has reasons they didn't make the playoffs last year, injury's, young players, wrong coach, wrong system etc.. The Jets chances of making the playoffs are slim with a happy Trouba or whatever return you get for him. If he sits all year, chances are even more remote.

 

[Jeti]

or because he can't beat either of them out and hes not that good so because of that he gets the boot to the otherside due to lack of good lhd. IN reality if he was that good don't you think the jets would have gave him the spot and moved one of the other guys over or traded one of them. If he is that good you wouldn't get rid of the 22 year old kid, over keeping tyler myers and 31 year old byfuglien. Something tells me they realize hes not that special and are going to trade him for top package while the jury is still out on the 22 year old.

[MOD]. He's the only RHD that can play with Stuart and make him look decent. Even Buff couldn't do that. Bogosian beside Stuart looked like a second Stuart. Myers was never thrown in that situation probably to rebuild his confidence after Buffalo. Trouba is undoubtedly the second best defenseman on the team and probably the most versatile, and his usage over 3 years has reflected that. Look up his minutes. He has carried the weakest LHD partner through some of the toughest minutes and double-shifted with Buff on the left.

The Jets D usage has been to win games, not pad someone's stats. It's a matter of getting the best combined results, not playing favorites. That often means good players get tougher minutes and their point totals are lower than they'd otherwise be. It happens with great two-way centers all the time.

 

[Gump Hasek]

I'm not confused, I understand 78 points to 96 points(Needed to make playoffs) is a 20%+ improvement. Every team has reasons they didn't make the playoffs last year, injury's, young players, wrong coach, wrong system etc.. The Jets chances of making the playoffs are slim with a happy Trouba or whatever return you get for him. If he sits all year, chances are even more remote.

No, you still appear confused and are dismissing that a majority of teams losing their #1C for a good portion of the season (and at crunch time) would be hooped, just like the Jets were - given they were in the process of transitioning their roster toward some younger players. They are building depth and the players they are adding are in general much more-talented than those that have departed. The Jets this year are the deepest they've ever been, by far, with or without Trouba.

 

[broc]

I picked Lowry because Philly could use a solid young middle-6 LW with size. He'd probably slot right into the 2nd line with Couturier and Voracek. Read both balances the value and makes the deal possible for Philly who are against the cap.

MDZ is NOT a "throw-in". He's an integral part of the deal. Winnipeg needs someone who can play Trouba's minutes in the meantime and, again, Philly needs to send salary the other way.

MDZ, Sanheim, Read ~for~ Trouba, Lowry

Um, Lowry has more value than either MDZ and especially Read at this point. Read is negative value. MDZ if UFA after this year.

Why would we give up a developing young guy with size and potential for either of those?
A: We wouldn't.

 

[aj8000]

I'm not confused, I understand 78 points to 96 points(Needed to make playoffs) is a 20%+ improvement. Every team has reasons they didn't make the playoffs last year, injury's, young players, wrong coach, wrong system etc.. The Jets chances of making the playoffs are slim with a happy Trouba or whatever return you get for him. If he sits all year, chances are even more remote.

You are welcome to your opinion; however, the Jets will be in the playoffs this year and actually win a game while there. FWIW, Trouba will be back on the blueline for the Jets sometime before December 1 and I would not be surprised that it is for opening day since him sitting will likely lose him the #1 line with Buff to Morressy.

 

[SCP Guy]

I doubt the jets trade Trouba this year.... He will report in a few weeks....sign and will be traded down the road.... But not in the next 8 weeks sorry folks

 

[heretik27]

I'm not confused, I understand 78 points to 96 points(Needed to make playoffs) is a 20%+ improvement. Every team has reasons they didn't make the playoffs last year, injury's, young players, wrong coach, wrong system etc.. The Jets chances of making the playoffs are slim with a happy Trouba or whatever return you get for him. If he sits all year, chances are even more remote.

I think we'll improve in many areas from last years plummet. Our Powerplay should improve with more talented players up front (Connor, Laine) and potentially Morrissey on the back end who moves the puck well. Our PK may or may not improve though without Trouba. Yes we've brought in new special teams coaches, but guys like Lowry and Burmistrov don't have a spot on the teams roster yet and they were a few of our main penalty killers last season along with Andrew Ladd and Bryan Little who was injured for 25 games or so. On the back end, Stuart is still in the lineup until otherwise noted, and he's not very good on the PK, especially without Trouba covering his ass, then you'd have Buff/Myers/Enstrom.
So.. for the PK
Minus: Trouba, Ladd
Questionable: Lowry, Burmistrov, Tanev, Thorburn, Copp
Still in: Little, Wheeler, Stafford, // Buff, Enstrom, Myers, Stuart
Additions: New coaches, Matthias

With more skill up front, we'll hopefully be drawing more penalties rather than taking them. Ladd and Trouba both take the odd dumb penalty, Connor doesn't appear to be a liability here, nor Laine. I think both players make the teams top 9.

Goaltending. Pavelec and Hutch had mediocre seasons last year, whereas the year before they were tag team champions of over-achieving. When one would get beat up and lose his hot streak, the other would tag in and kick butt until he wore out and so on. This year, there won't be any leash for Pavelec or Hutchinson. Pavelec is playing for a contract (elsewhere in the league I hope), and Hutchinson will be trying not to lose his backup job to Hellebuyck before he gets exposed to the expansion at the end of the season. Hellebuyck outperformed both goalies in his 20~ game stint last season and even Comrie has been gathering a bunch of quality experience in the AHL with 46 games last season. This year, the best goalies should start, just like the best skaters should start. We can't afford to be throwing away the best years of guys like Wheeler, Byfuglien, and Little while Enstrom may be slowing down already. The time for the Jets to begin contending starts this year, hopefully with a playoff spot. I'm optimistic myself, but I believe they can take 5th in the Central division and beat out Minnesota and Colorado for a wild card spot.

 

[RangerBoy]

So? When he reaches UFA status he can choose where he gets to play in the NHL. He can also go play in Europe or Russia today if he chooses.

PS: The Jets are pretty stacked this year. The way that Josh Morrissey is playing at LD right now means that Chevy is under zero pressure to move Trouba at the moment, and as such the pressure that you attempted to infer above doesn't actually exist in real life. If he felt any pressure, Trouba would already have been moved by now.

There is no pressure right now.

You sound so naive.

 

[Gump Hasek]

So.. for the PK
Minus: Trouba, Ladd
Questionable: Lowry, Burmistrov, Tanev, Thorburn, Copp
Still in: Little, Wheeler, Stafford, // Buff, Enstrom, Myers, Stuart
Additions: New coaches, Matthias

+ Brandon Tanev. I think we can pencil him into the lineup and on the pk; super-speedy and tenacious.

 

[Gump Hasek]

There is no pressure right now.

You sound so naive.

You conversely sound like someone that has zero clue as to who is running the Jets management. Cheveldayoff comes from a farm family. His strength as a manager is his patience, and he won't allow a 22-y/o RFA to dictate his roster decisions. If he felt any pressure, he would have pulled the plug on Trouba this past spring.

 

[Flair Hay]

[MOD]. He's the only RHD that can play with Stuart and make him look decent. Even Buff couldn't do that. Bogosian beside Stuart looked like a second Stuart. Myers was never thrown in that situation probably to rebuild his confidence after Buffalo. Trouba is undoubtedly the second best defenseman on the team and probably the most versatile, and his usage over 3 years has reflected that. Look up his minutes. He has carried the weakest LHD partner through some of the toughest minutes and double-shifted with Buff on the left.

The Jets D usage has been to win games, not pad someone's stats. It's a matter of getting the best combined results, not playing favorites. That often means good players get tougher minutes and their point totals are lower than they'd otherwise be. It happens with great two-way centers all the time.

The last paragraph hits home the best. Trouba is playing with Stuart because they have been better than the sum of their parts.

Myers did play ahead of Trouba on PP2. Basically Myers got the mins with Enstrom at 5v5 and played behind Trouba on the PK. They sheltered the lesser defenseman.

 

[Poochie_D]

I think Montreal could be a good fit. Jeff Petry going to Winnipeg plus whatever else it took.

 

[Tripod]

I picked Lowry because Philly could use a solid young middle-6 LW with size. He'd probably slot right into the 2nd line with Couturier and Voracek. Read both balances the value and makes the deal possible for Philly who are against the cap.

MDZ is NOT a "throw-in". He's an integral part of the deal. Winnipeg needs someone who can play Trouba's minutes in the meantime and, again, Philly needs to send salary the other way.

MDZ, Sanheim, Read ~for~ Trouba, Lowry

So you agree MDZ is not a throw in....and yet it costs MDZ and Sanheim for Trouba? Lowry is no different than Laughton, Cousins, Raffl etc... He is not an upgrade.

Again, MDZ is on our top pairing. He has way more value to us than in a trade. We are not trading him AND a top D prospect for Trouba. You want a 1 year filler until Sanheim is ready, than it's Streit, not MDZ.

 

[Homesick]

Trouba is worth less than D.Hamilton. He's not as good and has requested a trade

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Trouba is worth less than D.Hamilton. He's not as good and has requested a trade

You've already said that about 40 times before.

 

[JetsHomer]

Trouba is worth less than D.Hamilton. He's not as good and has requested a trade

Trouba will return more than Hamilton because Trouba is not a threat to sign an offer sheet

 

[Homesick]

You've already said that about 40 times before.

Quote them(you can't because it's not true). I don't see why Jets fans hold their breath and stomp their feet over this.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I think Montreal could be a good fit. Jeff Petry going to Winnipeg plus whatever else it took.

Lol Petry is another RHD and has a NMC what makes you think Petry would waive for Winnipeg Montreal is still closer to Detroit then Winnipeg pretty sure that's why he signed long term there still closer to home then Winnipeg.

 

[gwh]

There is no pressure right now.

You sound so naive.

I actually agree that there is no pressure.

1. Nobody is expecting Jets to get the cup this year.

2. The deadline is 1st dec. 5 points out on the previous week means you are out of playoffs.

3. The "contract talks with teams" will actually display Overhardt the leaguewide valuation of Trouba.

4. If Trouba would return a great asset, or Trouba's ask would be reasonable, Jets would have solved this already by July.

Jets GM is literally waiting for the fuse to burn.

 

[ffh]

Just listened to lebrun who said he talked to some gm's who say jets are in no hurry to trade him and will hold on till they get what they want.
Can we at least start with this premise.

 

[Liferleafer]

Just listened to lebrun who said he talked to some gm's who say jets are in no hurry to trade him and will hold on till they get what they want.
Can we at least start with this premise.

The bolded translates to Trouba won't be traded.

 

[Gecklund]

Can Trouba sign an offer sheet during the season? Or does it have to be during the offseason?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Can Trouba sign an offer sheet during the season? Or does it have to be during the offseason?

No i think offer sheets can only be done before the season starts, Why? would Trouba sign one any ways. Then Cheveldayoff matches and he's stuck in a situation that he obviously doesn't want to be in.