Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[gwh]

Hmm, lets see. Objective stats accumulated from 1200+ games per year multilpied by 9 years, across all situations, opponents and teammates vs Flair Hay's opinion and memory. Its a no brainer, no pun intended.

So you have access to things like zone entry % defense success against different lane attacks, offensive zone cycle direction success rates against shot containment defense, offensive zone success rate on puck touches and so forth?

If yes, then where the hell did you find them? These are done by people hand documenting from video...

(And of course you don't have them. That is why teams employ now 10 man egghead teams to split the atom.)

 

[4thline]

So you have access to things like zone entry % defense success against different lane attacks, offensive zone cycle direction success rates against shot containment defense, offensive zone success rate on puck touches and so forth?

If yes, then where the hell did you find them? These are done by people hand documenting from video...

(And of course you don't have them. That is why teams employ now 10 man egghead teams to split the atom.)

Nono, 1200 games a year of crudely analyzed, widely confounded data points with zero controls is absolutely ironclad.

 

[PhilJets]

Trouba
+

Any 2 of below or 1 plus 2nd or3rd round pick

Burmistrov, Lowry, dano, Armia, PETAN, Copp


FOR?

 

[Whileee]

I think the Jets should consider moving Kyle Connor for a Left Side D so they can move Trouba for maximum value.

Sanheim and Konecny for Connor and a 2nd.

Connor would be very difficult to pry out of the Jets.

 

[DearDiary]

Trouba
+

Any 2 of below or 1 plus 2nd or3rd round pick

Burmistrov, Lowry, dano, Armia, PETAN, Copp


FOR?

Halak, Ryder and a 2nd

 

[Halla]

Gardiner and Leipsic for Trouba

 

[broc]

We already have a few Leipsics... in Petan, DeLeo, Lemieux.

Leipsic quality prospects are non factors when you are talking prime blue line talent.

 

[Hally BlackWood]

SO let me get this straight, He can't beat out Tyler Myers or Byfuglien out for a job on the right side. But hes a number one rhd and is worth the moon. Oh ok I understand this now.... makes perfect sense

 

[Henkka]

SO let me get this straight, He can't beat out Tyler Myers or Byfuglien out for a job on the right side. But hes a number one rhd and is worth the moon. Oh ok I understand this now.... makes perfect sense

Or, he is the best and most versatile defenceman, because you can use him best of those three as a righty on the left.

 

[MattMartin]

This needs to be at the top of every page.
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-129...terms-1.575015

Save HF bandwidthz!

How it works here is....Your played requested a trade and your team should be happy with a pennies on the dollar return for said player. Winnipeg fans should be very familiar with this considering the whole Hamonic situation.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

what do Winnipeg fans on top of gardiner?

viktor loov(hard hitting, tough left shot, bottom pairing dman)
frank corrado(sort of pyshical, right shot bottom pairing dman)
connor carrick(small left shot pmd, bottom pairing with some upside)
fredrick gauthier(looks faster, seems to be a future 4th line C, big strong, good on the draw can pk, good defensively, no offense though)

other?

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

what do Winnipeg fans on top of gardiner?

viktor loov(hard hitting, tough left shot, bottom pairing dman)
frank corrado(sort of pyshical, right shot bottom pairing dman)
connor carrick(small left shot pmd, bottom pairing with some upside)
fredrick gauthier(looks faster, seems to be a future 4th line C, big strong, good on the draw can pk, good defensively, no offense though)

other?

That is too little I would imagine. They want atleast Kapanen.

 

[captainpaxil]

MDZ, Sanheim, Read ~for~ Trouba, Lowry

Interested in hearing a PHI fan perspective on how far off this is.

It's off by michael del zotto

Mdz is horrendously underrated on these boards. He's been the flyers top defenseman the past two years. Internal competition will bring him down to a more suitable role as a very good second pairing guy who can eat minutes if asked to move up.

Frankly given his age (26) role (top 4) and salary (4 mil) he's by himself an ideal starting point given the parameters the jets set for a deal.

 

[Tripod]

MDZ, Sanheim, Read ~for~ Trouba, Lowry

Interested in hearing a PHI fan perspective on how far off this is.

TODAY, MDZ is just as good as Trouba. Certainly his contract status, Trouba's upside, and Trouba's handedness makes Trouba more valuable. But on the ice TODAY, MDZ plays on our top pairing. He is not a throw in for a deal around a Trouba and Sanheim. Someone like Streit, who could still fetch a 2nd in a trade, would be that throw in for cap reasons.

But as others have said, giving up Sanheim and HIS upside, and cheap ELC in exchange for Trouba and his 5+ million! doesn't make sense today.

That's reasonable although at the same time, Giroux is getting older, likely Trouba will be gone come next summer, and you have 4 LD:s. Seriously, you have the best D prospects in the league combined with valueable older players; why don't you load off Giroux, Voracek and Simmons to get Top forward prospects and tank for 2 years?

Yes the Flyers have good young D and most are LHD. But Ghost has already proven he can play the right side. Sanheim has played the right side as well and this year will likely play it in the AHL...let's se if he proves he can play there at so higher level.

As for trading G, V, and Simmer....Hextall does not want a culture of losing. He has helped rebuild our entire prospect depth whole also having the Flyers be a playoff contending team. Trading away your top 3 scorers is not something Hextall will do.

This is the last year of the Flyers mini rebuild. They have 3 D becoming UFA's just as Provy, Morin and Sanheim are pushing their way onto the team.

At F, they need 1 top 6 player and have Konecny busting thru the door. Next year, they will have Lindblom, Aube Kubel, Leier, etc... pushing for bottom 6 roles while still having Raffl, Laughton, Cousins, Weise, etc...minus 1 lost to expansion.

Patience is hard when re-building on the fly. But Hextall has shown he knows what he is doing. It would not shock me if he did make a trade at some point. All depends on cost.

I think the Jets should consider moving Kyle Connor for a Left Side D so they can move Trouba for maximum value.

Sanheim and Konecny for Connor and a 2nd.

Philly says no....easily.

 

[Psuhockey]

MDZ, Sanheim, Read ~for~ Trouba, Lowry

I don't think that is that far off. Matt Read has negative value at his caphit. I think Hextall would rather Morin if packaged with MDZ. I don't know how much value Lowry adds but I do think Winnipeg would have to add something to Trouba to make the deal go thru just because MDZ is pretty valuable but is probably only a one year rental.

 

[RangerBoy]

All of these proposals. Winnipeg has been trying to trade Trouba since last season. Winnipeg still hasn't found the LD for Trouba. All of these months have come and gone. The season starts in 11 days. Winnipeg plays in the toughest division in the NHL. If Trouba does not sign by December 1,he can not play in the NHL this season. Everyone loses. The Jets don't have Trouba or the players acquired for Trouba. December 1 is right around the corner. Does Trouba want to play in Canada? Check out @NicholsOnHockey's

 

[Aavco Cup]

All of these proposals. Winnipeg has been trying to trade Trouba since last season. Winnipeg still hasn't found the LD for Trouba. All of these months have come and gone. The season starts in 11 days. Winnipeg plays in the toughest division in the NHL. If Trouba does not sign by December 1,he can not play in the NHL this season. Everyone loses. The Jets don't have Trouba or the players acquired for Trouba. December 1 is right around the corner. Does Trouba want to play in Canada? Check out @NicholsOnHockey's

At some point he will have to sign and return to the Jets. His options are limited.

 

[Gump Hasek]

All of these proposals. Winnipeg has been trying to trade Trouba since last season. Winnipeg still hasn't found the LD for Trouba. All of these months have come and gone. The season starts in 11 days. Winnipeg plays in the toughest division in the NHL. If Trouba does not sign by December 1,he can not play in the NHL this season. Everyone loses. The Jets don't have Trouba or the players acquired for Trouba. December 1 is right around the corner. Does Trouba want to play in Canada?

So? When he reaches UFA status he can choose where he gets to play in the NHL. He can also go play in Europe or Russia today if he chooses.

PS: The Jets are pretty stacked this year. The way that Josh Morrissey is playing at LD right now means that Chevy is under zero pressure to move Trouba at the moment, and as such the pressure that you attempted to infer above doesn't actually exist in real life. If he felt any pressure, Trouba would already have been moved by now.

 

[Hally BlackWood]

Or, he is the best and most versatile defenceman, because you can use him best of those three as a righty on the left.

or because he can't beat either of them out and hes not that good so because of that he gets the boot to the otherside due to lack of good lhd. IN reality if he was that good don't you think the jets would have gave him the spot and moved one of the other guys over or traded one of them. If he is that good you wouldn't get rid of the 22 year old kid, over keeping tyler myers and 31 year old byfuglien. Something tells me they realize hes not that special and are going to trade him for top package while the jury is still out on the 22 year old.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

I don't think that is that far off. Matt Read has negative value at his caphit. I think Hextall would rather Morin if packaged with MDZ. I don't know how much value Lowry adds but I do think Winnipeg would have to add something to Trouba to make the deal go thru just because MDZ is pretty valuable but is probably only a one year rental.

I picked Lowry because Philly could use a solid young middle-6 LW with size. He'd probably slot right into the 2nd line with Couturier and Voracek. Read both balances the value and makes the deal possible for Philly who are against the cap.

MDZ is NOT a "throw-in". He's an integral part of the deal. Winnipeg needs someone who can play Trouba's minutes in the meantime and, again, Philly needs to send salary the other way.

MDZ, Sanheim, Read ~for~ Trouba, Lowry

 

[Liferleafer]

All of these proposals. Winnipeg has been trying to trade Trouba since last season. Winnipeg still hasn't found the LD for Trouba. All of these months have come and gone. The season starts in 11 days. Winnipeg plays in the toughest division in the NHL. If Trouba does not sign by December 1,he can not play in the NHL this season. Everyone loses. The Jets don't have Trouba or the players acquired for Trouba. December 1 is right around the corner. Does Trouba want to play in Canada? Check out @NicholsOnHockey's

I assume either:

A. Said GM hasn't talked to Chevy

OR

B. Trouba has not said if he would or would not.

 

[Stej]

or because he can't beat either of them out and hes not that good so because of that he gets the boot to the otherside due to lack of good lhd. IN reality if he was that good don't you think the jets would have gave him the spot and moved one of the other guys over or traded one of them. If he is that good you wouldn't get rid of the 22 year old kid, over keeping tyler myers and 31 year old byfuglien. Something tells me they realize hes not that special and are going to trade him for top package while the jury is still out on the 22 year old.

<start whisper>
Psst, the "opportunity deficiency" excuse might be a cover for something else. He's been playing big minutes in prior seasons and he was set to play massive minutes this season.
<end whisper>

 

[Guffman]

or because he can't beat either of them out and hes not that good so because of that he gets the boot to the otherside due to lack of good lhd. IN reality if he was that good don't you think the jets would have gave him the spot and moved one of the other guys over or traded one of them. If he is that good you wouldn't get rid of the 22 year old kid, over keeping tyler myers and 31 year old byfuglien. Something tells me they realize hes not that special and are going to trade him for top package while the jury is still out on the 22 year old.

There is no shame in not beating out $7.5M/year player Big Buff. As for Myers, perhaps it's because he's an older player and it's not worth it trying to put him on LHD at this point in his career.

Fact of the matter is that Trouba, over the past three years, ranks 35th in the NHL for TOI, and there is no one younger with higher TOI. He's been utilized a lot.

No one is really buying the left side/right side argument. He probably just wants to move to a large US destination. We'd love to keep him because we know he's a solid player.

Now, since a few of you outsiders disagree, I guess I'll pick up the Red Phone and call Chevy and say, "You know what? These knowledgable forum posters are right! Trouba is mediocre. You should trade him for table scraps."

I mean, I don't even know what the point of this forum is TBH. The bickering has zero relevance to what is ultimately decided by the GMs.

 

[cobra427]

So? When he reaches UFA status he can choose where he gets to play in the NHL. He can also go play in Europe or Russia today if he chooses.

PS: The Jets are pretty stacked this year. The way that Josh Morrissey is playing at LD right now means that Chevy is under zero pressure to move Trouba at the moment, and as such the pressure that you attempted to infer above doesn't actually exist in real life. If he felt any pressure, Trouba would already have been moved by now.

Stacked? A disappointing 78 point season is a long way from the playoffs and I wouldn't say the Jets are stacked. If Trouba is a good player and a contributor, TOI says he is, then I would be concerned that he might have helped get all those points last year. They only need maybe 18 more points to make the playoffs, so why should Chevy be worried, just let him sit

 

[Gump Hasek]

Stacked? A disappointing 78 point season is a long way from the playoffs and I wouldn't say the Jets are stacked. If Trouba is a good player and a contributor, TOI says he is, then I would be concerned that he might have helped get all those points last year. They only need maybe 18 more points to make the playoffs, so why should Chevy be worried, just let him sit

You seem confused; I stated they are stacked this season, not last season. Last season is pretty much irrelevant considering they lost their #1C to a neck injury for the final 1/3 of the season, traded their captain, and added a bunch of young guys to the roster.

You also appear to be confusing a team currently transitioning toward much-more talented young players with a team that lacks the required horses. This article may help you to understand where the Jets currently stand:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jets-window-opportunity-opening-sooner-later/