Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[Gump Hasek]

OK how about Brady Skjei and Dylan Macilrath for Jacob Trouba? ...Fair?

2 number 1's for 1 number 1

Fair? LOL, no.

Not even close to being near the ballpark. Mcllrath is barely an NHL player at age-24.

 

[cheech70]

Fair? LOL, no.

Not even close to being near the ballpark. Mcllrath is barely an NHL player at age-24.

OK remove Dylan who do you replace him with?

 

[umwoz]

OK remove Dylan who do you replace him with?

The Rangers are a bad trade partner for Trouba for salary reasons. They have 1.4M in space and would still have to give Trouba a contract.

 

[Curufinwe]

I'll have you know Trouba's points are down because he's regressing, not because of usage.

I read it on the internet, so...

A lot of people don't seem to understand how important PP time is for most defenseman's point totals.

I am sure that when Provorov makes the Flyers there will be a lot of comments about his low point totals that don't take into account that he'll be getting 2nd unit PP time at best because the top unit is:

Giroux-Simmonds-Schenn
Ghost-Voracek

 

[haveandare]

The Rangers are a bad trade partner for Trouba for salary reasons. They have 1.4M in space and would still have to give Trouba a contract.

We also have a borderline ridiculous traffic jam on the wings right now.

Best offer we could make would be one of Miller or Zucc and one of McIlrath and Skjei. Trading both McI and Skjei wouldn't make sense for us or WPG just from a team building standpoint, let alone from a value standpoint.

WPG fans can quote the GM and say they want whatever, but imo they're not going to get a similar player to Trouba with different handedness. His value is lowered by the fact that everyone in the league knows he won't sign there and they can't sit him for an extended time. No team in their right mind is going to give them his value in a vacuum when there's context that lowers his value in reality.

 

[Blue Goose]

This Wings fan would accept. Not too sure about the other teams involved but it lets the Wings play AA and Mantha while upgrading our D. I would do it in a heartbeat.

Not bad return/offer for Trouba. Not ideal, but not terrible either

I was worried it wasn't enough for WPG, and I thought maybe some DET fans might value Sheahan too much. Glad I pleased fans of 2 of the 3 teams.

I don't think Minnesota gets enough of a return for Brodin in that deal.

So Brodin for 2 mediocre left shot centers? No thanks, I'd rather keep 4 top4 defenders after the expansion draft.

Yeah, I'll admit that MIN is the toughest team to gauge in a proposal for Brodin - and I like your idea of assuring that you'll keep four top-4 d-men after expansion (Florida is in the same situation since they can protect Yandle, Eklbad and Demers, and be assured that they'll retain one of Pysyk/Petrovic).

I just tried looking around the league to find a deal that would: a.) work within the cap; b.) put Trouba in the eastern US; c.) give WPG a young LHD. Honestly with most teams having their lineup/cap situations set, I get the feeling this situation isn't going to be resolved unless either Chevy or Trouba cave a little bit on their demands.

 

[SCP Guy]

We also have a borderline ridiculous traffic jam on the wings right now.

Best offer we could make would be one of Miller or Zucc and one of McIlrath and Skjei. Trading both McI and Skjei wouldn't make sense for us or WPG just from a team building standpoint, let alone from a value standpoint.

WPG fans can quote the GM and say they want whatever, but imo they're not going to get a similar player to Trouba with different handedness. His value is lowered by the fact that everyone in the league knows he won't sign there and they can't sit him for an extended time. No team in their right mind is going to give them his value in a vacuum when there's context that lowers his value in reality.

You do realize that the Jets do not want to trade him right? They want to force him back...prob have to bridge him and then trade him sometime in the next 3 years when the time is right.....The only kink in the plan is if Trouba and his "camp" are stupid enough to burn a year of salary and a year of UFA pay......If they are willing to do that then the Jets will trade him next off season IMO

 

[LondonKendrick]

Love that Steve Dangle condescends to HFboards, this is his Trouba proposal from Tuesday's Steve Dangle Podcast, time stamp 45:29

Leafs 2nd, Soshnikov + Corrado for Trouba...

HFboards posters give Leaf fans a bad name??

 

[haveandare]

You do realize that the Jets do not want to trade him right? They want to force him back...prob have to bridge him and then trade him sometime in the next 3 years when the time is right.....The only kink in the plan is if Trouba and his "camp" are stupid enough to burn a year of salary and a year of UFA pay......If they are willing to do that then the Jets will trade him next off season IMO

From all I've read about it, he wants minutes they can't/won't provide with their depth on his side.

It's not stupid for a young PMD in today's NHL to assume he can force a trade as an RFA. WPG would be absolutely insane to not play him for a year. Every team in the NHL wants those types of players, many teams will make nice offers that don't fit WPG's ask exactly, and the offers will only be worse the longer he sits out.

 

[Flair Hay]

And for the record, Wild has one the beefiest analytics departments in the league since (just departed) minority owner Matt Hlzier was a ridiculous stats geek. For example war-on-ice has shutdown because all those guys work for the wild now.

So... The stats thing is probably covered better than 95% of the league.

But if the NHL teams used stats they'd do the same thing every armchair stats geeks do. Because they know how to really use the stats properly.

That's how it works right? (Eyeroll)

Piss on the church of corsi

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Love that Steve Dangle condescends to HFboards, this is his Trouba proposal from Tuesday's Steve Dangle Podcast, time stamp 45:29

Leafs 2nd, Soshnikov + Corrado for Trouba...

HFboards posters give Leaf fans a bad name??

And how's this good for Winnipeg? The only way Trouba is going to Toronto is for Gardiner+Kapanen pretty sure that's what it's going to take to land Trouba into Toronto your proposal here doesn't cut it.

 

[Heldig]

Love that Steve Dangle condescends to HFboards, this is his Trouba proposal from Tuesday's Steve Dangle Podcast, time stamp 45:29

Leafs 2nd, Soshnikov + Corrado for Trouba...

HFboards posters give Leaf fans a bad name??

Ha ha yes that is really bad. Don't know who that guy is but whoa.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Love that Steve Dangle condescends to HFboards, this is his Trouba proposal from Tuesday's Steve Dangle Podcast, time stamp 45:29

Leafs 2nd, Soshnikov + Corrado for Trouba...

HFboards posters give Leaf fans a bad name??

Leaf garbage for Trouba

sure thing Steve

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

Are WPG interested in any of Philly's LD:s? Don't see them dealing Provorov or Gostisbehere

 

[LondonKendrick]

Ha ha yes that is really bad. Don't know who that guy is but whoa.

He's a professional Leafs fan, built his brand off humble YT beginnings, actually a pretty likeable fellow but he also became an advanced stats know-it-all.

He's 100% responsible for every stupid thing you've heard from Kadri supports and thinks Reimer should win a Vezina.

 

[CamelToews]

And how's this good for Winnipeg? The only way Trouba is going to Toronto is for Gardiner+Kapanen pretty sure that's what it's going to take to land Trouba into Toronto your proposal here doesn't cut it.

The deal would be done on our end if it only took Gardiner and Kapanen.

 

[Rebels57]

Are WPG interested in any of Philly's LD:s? Don't see them dealing Provorov or Gostisbehere

Sanheim for Trouba is feasable but I don't think Hextall would do it.

For one, I personally think that Sanheim has a higher ceiling than Trouba. Then you add in that the Flyers would be giving up his cost-controlled years after spending two years developing him post draft, to acquire a player that is looking for a big pay day today. Bearing in mind, Ghost will need an extension within 2 years and it will cost them at least $6 million. I think this is the type of trade Hextall would make next summer possible after spending one more season evaluating how good the team is and how close they are to contending for a Cup. It just doesn't feel like the right time to do a prospect for veteran swap (although Trouba is a young veteran).

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Are WPG interested in any of Philly's LD:s? Don't see them dealing Provorov or Gostisbehere

MDZ, Sanheim, Read ~for~ Trouba, Lowry

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The deal would be done on our end if it only took Gardiner and Kapanen.

True pretty sure if that was the ask, Then Trouba would already be a Leaf have to think that Cheveldayoff would want even more but would think that a deal like that at least gets the conversation going between Winnipeg and Toronto.

 

[ginner classic]

Sanheim for Trouba is feasable but I don't think Hextall would do it.

For one, I personally think that Sanheim has a higher ceiling than Trouba. Then you add in that the Flyers would be giving up his cost-controlled years after spending two years developing him post draft, to acquire a player that is looking for a big pay day today. Bearing in mind, Ghost will need an extension within 2 years and it will cost them at least $6 million. I think this is the type of trade Hextall would make next summer possible after spending one more season evaluating how good the team is and how close they are to contending for a Cup. It just doesn't feel like the right time to do a prospect for veteran swap (although Trouba is a young veteran).

Yes he absolutely would.

Sanheim might be as good as Trouba or he might be Cody Franson. Philly has one right hand shot d-man and gaggles of left side shooters, including all their top prospects. Philly can compete now if the D was solid.

Trouba in Philly is a no-brainer IMO.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

Sanheim for Trouba is feasable but I don't think Hextall would do it.

For one, I personally think that Sanheim has a higher ceiling than Trouba. Then you add in that the Flyers would be giving up his cost-controlled years after spending two years developing him post draft, to acquire a player that is looking for a big pay day today. Bearing in mind, Ghost will need an extension within 2 years and it will cost them at least $6 million. I think this is the type of trade Hextall would make next summer possible after spending one more season evaluating how good the team is and how close they are to contending for a Cup. It just doesn't feel like the right time to do a prospect for veteran swap (although Trouba is a young veteran).

That's reasonable although at the same time, Giroux is getting older, likely Trouba will be gone come next summer, and you have 4 LD:s. Seriously, you have the best D prospects in the league combined with valueable older players; why don't you load off Giroux, Voracek and Simmons to get Top forward prospects and tank for 2 years?

 

[Blue Shakehead]

But if the NHL teams used stats they'd do the same thing every armchair stats geeks do. Because they know how to really use the stats properly.

That's how it works right? (Eyeroll)

Piss on the church of corsi

Hmm, lets see. Objective stats accumulated from 1200+ games per year multilpied by 9 years, across all situations, opponents and teammates vs Flair Hay's opinion and memory. Its a no brainer, no pun intended.

 

[umwoz]

MDZ, Sanheim, Read ~for~ Trouba, Lowry

Interested in hearing a PHI fan perspective on how far off this is.

 

[ginner classic]

I think the Jets should consider moving Kyle Connor for a Left Side D so they can move Trouba for maximum value.

Sanheim and Konecny for Connor and a 2nd.

 

[garyturner3]

Yes he absolutely would.

Sanheim might be as good as Trouba or he might be Cody Franson. Philly has one right hand shot d-man and gaggles of left side shooters, including all their top prospects. Philly can compete now if the D was solid.

Trouba in Philly is a no-brainer IMO.

Using Franson as your potential floor is pretty genourous in my opinion; the guy has played almost 500 games and is far from a scrub. Sanheim at this point looks to be an amazing prospect, but every year countless can't miss D prospects with similar potential fail to even crack the NHL full time and wash out altogether. If he ends up with 500+ games like Franson will you should be absolutely thrilled.