Value of: Trouba likely to ask for the moon on a new deal

[Redline]

See you later troubs. Nice knowing you.

No kidding, that would be a horrible overpayment.

 

[MardyBum]

He absolutely is. Same age, better offense, better goal scoring, better positional and defensive play, and all of that on what will end up being a longer contract and lower term than what Trouba will get.

1. He's a year older.

2.

38 points in 82 games, 16 PPP

33 points in 60 games, 4 PPP

He had 4 more goals in 22 more games played.

3. I agree he's better than Trouba defensively, while Trouba is better offensively.

Contract has nothing to do with who's a better player.

 

[Maukkis]

I get what your saying 88 but if losing Trouba creates a "massive issue" on the blueline and ya still have Buff,Enstrom, Myers,Kulikov,Morrissey,Chiarot with Stanley waiting in the wings then maybe it's better to just keep Trouba and give him all the minutes and money he wants...start trading all those other bums.

Do you think Chevy made a mistake demanding another Dman back of Trouba's caliber/age but a LD?

I think he did and it's probably why Trouba hasn't been dealt yet...why would a team trade a good young Dman of Trouba's caliber in the first place...would it be because their sooooo loaded on good LD and are desperate for a RD to balance their back end out? Who? I can't think of any teams that would pull that trade off.

I think Chevy should switch it up and get a forward or a package of forwards for Trouba. Teams trade from strength to improve their week spots...just look @ the Edmonton- NJD trade. I also think Chevy would probably win that trade as a player like Trouba who is also a RD has great value on the market.

I don't think losing Trouba would put that big of a dent in Winnipegs D core. I think Chevy should tinker with his top 9 and bring in the defensive forwards to support that D core and goaltending.

Well, it's safe to say that you know nothing about what you're talking about.

Our defense collapses without Trouba on the ice. We have absolutely nothing that comes close to replacing him.

If he is dealt, we better have a young 1C or a young top pairing defenseman coming back in a trade. No combination of other assets makes us better, so overpaying Trouba would be a substantially better choice than any kind of a trade of thay nature.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Don't see what the issue is, he's worth $7-8M per on a long term deal. If other top young D signed for waaaay less than they're worth, that's their problem.

 

[oats]

Klefbom is better then Trouba that's where I stopped reading

"I stopped reading because something disagrees with my narrative, therefore I will passive aggressively pout without backing up my point with facts"

 

[Hunter368]

Yup according to some here the sky is falling again this summer regarding Trouba. In the end last year worked out good, this year he will be signed or traded for a kings ransom. Either way great for the Jets, keep playing well Trouba it's helping you & the team.

 

[thadd]

Oilers offer Puljujarvi + Nuge

Not if Trouba wants over 8M for compromising with that bridge deal of his.
Heck he could get 9M.
I have no clue how Edmonton could afford that.

 

[Jack Burton]

Well, it's safe to say that you know nothing about what you're talking about.

Our defense collapses without Trouba on the ice. We have absolutely nothing that comes close to replacing him.

If he is dealt, we better have a young 1C or a young top pairing defenseman coming back in a trade. No combination of other assets makes us better, so overpaying Trouba would be a substantially better choice than any kind of a trade of thay nature.

I know exactly what I'm talking about and know how much Trouba means to Winnipeg's D core as I think he is your best defenceman and does settle them down.

Chevy better have a sit down, heart to heart conversation with Trouba and figure out if it's really about the minutes or does he truly want out of Winnipeg.

If it's the minutes then sign him long term and give him the $ because he's worth it.

If it's because of Winnipeg then trade him for that good young 1C or a good young top pairing LD...just be prepared to wait a while because those trades don't come around very often.

 

[Maukkis]

I know exactly what I'm talking about and know how much Trouba means to Winnipeg's D core as I think he is your best defenceman and does settle them down.

Chevy better have a sit down, heart to heart conversation with Trouba and figure out if it's really about the minutes or does he truly want out of Winnipeg.

If it's the minutes then sign him long term and give him the $ because he's worth it.

If it's because of Winnipeg then trade him for that good young 1C or a good young top pairing LD...just be prepared to wait a while because those trades don't come around very often.

Well, you did say that losing Trouba wouldn't be that bad for the Jets and that shipping him for (a package of) forwards would be a good option. Those are pretty good indicators of you being clueless on that front.

 

[Aceboogie]

Oilers offer Puljujarvi + Nuge

No, they don't

 

[BB88]

I get what your saying 88 but if losing Trouba creates a "massive issue" on the blueline and ya still have Buff,Enstrom, Myers,Kulikov,Morrissey,Chiarot with Stanley waiting in the wings then maybe it's better to just keep Trouba and give him all the minutes and money he wants...start trading all those other bums.

Do you think Chevy made a mistake demanding another Dman back of Trouba's caliber/age but a LD?

I think he did and it's probably why Trouba hasn't been dealt yet...why would a team trade a good young Dman of Trouba's caliber in the first place...would it be because their sooooo loaded on good LD and are desperate for a RD to balance their back end out? Who? I can't think of any teams that would pull that trade off.

I think Chevy should switch it up and get a forward or a package of forwards for Trouba. Teams trade from strength to improve their week spots...just look @ the Edmonton- NJD trade. I also think Chevy would probably win that trade as a player like Trouba who is also a RD has great value on the market.

I don't think losing Trouba would put that big of a dent in Winnipegs D core. I think Chevy should tinker with his top 9 and bring in the defensive forwards to support that D core and goaltending.

Myers is inferior player to Trouba, Enstrom is starting to be at the end of his NHL career. Those 2 could be both gone in 2 years.
Stanley is a longterm project, he's not expected to get anywhere close to Trouba. Chiarot is a press box player on a good team.

The reason I believe Trouba wasn't traded is because Chevy wants him in Winnipeg longterm and knows his value to the team. I bet if Trouba is willing to sign a longterm deal Chevy won't hesitate to get the papers for him to sign.

Jersey's offense got better but it's going to take years to rebuild their blueline to contending level, Jets goal with Scheifele& Laine is to start winning games and improving defense helps the most. They don't need a better offense, they already have one of the deepest F groups in the league with multiple potential forward prospects in the system.

No team should try to build a core without a #1D.

 

[Gurilla]

Elite young defender asks for large contract after a bridge deal. Anyone expect anything less?

 

[Jyrki Lumme]

Jets have handled this very poorly.

 

[Jack Burton]

Well, you did say that losing Trouba wouldn't be that bad for the Jets and that shipping him for (a package of) forwards would be a good option. Those are pretty good indicators of you being clueless on that front.

What trade would you prefer?

Trouba for Poolparty + RNH

Trouba for Tanev + Vancouver's 1st in 2018

Trouba for Hanifin

Trouba for Ekblad

Trouba for 1 of a Eichel /Draisaitl

Trouba for Kesler + Rakell

Edit: or none at all and keep Trouba and give him 8 mill per x 8 years. Chevy has done his homework and these are the best deals the league could offer.

Just a hypothetical fun question. Both parties have agreed to the trade.

 

[Maukkis]

What trade would you prefer?

Trouba for Poolparty + RNH

Trouba for Tanev + Vancouver's 1st in 2018

Trouba for Hanifin

Trouba for Ekblad

Trouba for 1 of a Eichel /Draisaitl

Trouba for Kesler + Rakell

Just a hypothetical fun question. Both parties have agreed to the trade.

Eichel/Drai > Ekblad > Tanev + a very high 1st > Hanifin > Kesler+Rakell (which would be impossible due to cap > RNH + Puljujärvi.

The first two are easy choices (although I'm only doing that Ekblad deal if Trouba isn't willing to stay). After that, I wouldn't say yes to any deal you proposed.

Vancouver isn't looking good next year, so chances of lucking out and getting Dahlin/McIsaac on top of having Tanev now would make me at least think about the deal. That being said, having Trouba now >>>> waiting for another prospect to come in and take us to the playoffs. Hanifin is waaaay too unproven to make the cut: from Carolina, it's either Slavin or a no. Kesler and Rakell would make our top 9 an absolutely lethal one - and force us to gut the team due to their contracts. The last deal is just awful. If you're paying RNH six million a year, it can not be a problem to give Trouba eight. Puljujärvi is not someone I am high on. His hockey IQ is very questionable.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Jets have handled this very poorly.

What would have been a better way to handle the trouba situation?

 

[Hunter368]

Jets have handled this very poorly.

They couldn't of handled it any better, takes two to sign a contract

 

[Jack Burton]

Eichel/Drai > Ekblad > Tanev + a very high 1st > Hanifin > Kesler+Rakell (which would be impossible due to cap > RNH + Puljujärvi.

The first two are easy choices (although I'm only doing that Ekblad deal if Trouba isn't willing to stay). After that, I wouldn't say yes to any deal you proposed.

Vancouver isn't looking good next year, so chances of lucking out and getting Dahlin/McIsaac on top of having Tanev now would make me at least think about the deal. That being said, having Trouba now >>>> waiting for another prospect to come in and take us to the playoffs. Hanifin is waaaay too unproven to make the cut: from Carolina, it's either Slavin or a no. Kesler and Rakell would make our top 9 an absolutely lethal one - and force us to gut the team due to their contracts. The last deal is just awful. If you're paying RNH six million a year, it can not be a problem to give Trouba eight. Puljujärvi is not someone I am high on. His hockey IQ is very questionable.

Damn! I threw a edit in there after ya posted.

OK now I get it...your not hi on Puljujarvi which I can understand.

I'm a little surprised you wouldn't bite on Hanifin as that's what I thought Chevy and Winnipeg fans would want back...A young LD with top pairing potential still on his ELC.

 

[CorgisPer60]

They couldn't of handled it any better, takes two to sign a contract

In a bubble, they handled his contract situation well. However, everything before the contract talks is subject for discussion, especially considering that Trouba's chief complaint was his usage. You could argue that they were sandbagging Trouba by playing him with Stuart for 2 seasons, then splitting time between playing with Stuart on the 3rd pair and playing his off-side with Buff in his third year. I would certainly object to that.

Damn! I trough a edit in there after ya posted.

OK now I get it...your not hi on Puljujarvi which I can understand.

I'm a little surprised you wouldn't bite on Hanifin as that's what I thought Chevy and Winnipeg fans would want back...A young LD with top pairing potential still on his ELC.

Hanifin isn't the Carolina D that we would want back.

 

[Pongs21]

Haven't read the thread, yet, but you're not telling us (Jets fans) something we didn't already know If he signs long term the man is going to get paid, and paid higher than his comparables IMO

 

[Jack Burton]

Hanifin isn't the Carolina D that we would want back.

Ya I can see that.

Anyways, I hope something positive turns out for Winnipeg as it is a bit of a sticky situation with Trouba.

 

[Maukkis]

Damn! I trough a edit in there after ya posted.

OK now I get it...your not hi on Puljujarvi which I can understand.

I'm a little surprised you wouldn't bite on Hanifin as that's what I thought Chevy and Winnipeg fans would want back...A young LD with top pairing potential still on his ELC.

I don't think JP is going to be anything special. Don't worry - there are a lot of Finns which I am not particularly high on (am a Finn myself, so I know a thing or two), so it's not about the Oilers or Puljujärvi himself. I just find his decision making and play off the puck very shaky. Also, I've seen and heard how Puljujärvi's weaknesses didn't seem to get better in a full season. Even while making the jump from Europe to North America, that is straight up unacceptable.

As for that edit, slot Trouba @ 8×8 between "trade for Eichel" and "trade for Draisaitl". And if Hanifin had proven that he could be trusted in the role of a 1D, I would pull the trigger. The thing is, Canes would never do that, if they had a 20-year-old 1D.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What trade would you prefer?

Trouba for Poolparty + RNH

Trouba for Tanev + Vancouver's 1st in 2018

Trouba for Hanifin

Trouba for Ekblad

Trouba for 1 of a Eichel /Draisaitl

Trouba for Kesler + Rakell

Edit: or none at all and keep Trouba and give him 8 mill per x 8 years. Chevy has done his homework and these are the best deals the league could offer.

Just a hypothetical fun question. Both parties have agreed to the trade.

Try more like Slavin from Carolina to get Trouba.

And no way in a million years Dale Tallon would ever trade Ekblad for Trouba, Who else are you going to add on to Trouba to get Ekblad. Because that's surely not going to happen 1 on 1.

 

[booyakasha]

What trade would you prefer?

Trouba for Poolparty + RNH

Trouba for Tanev + Vancouver's 1st in 2018

Trouba for Hanifin

Trouba for Ekblad

Trouba for 1 of a Eichel /Draisaitl

Trouba for Kesler + Rakell

Edit: or none at all and keep Trouba and give him 8 mill per x 8 years. Chevy has done his homework and these are the best deals the league could offer.

Just a hypothetical fun question. Both parties have agreed to the trade.

Trouba is not worth any of your propsed trades.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

You can probably get Duchene for Trouba, Roslovic and the Jets 2018 1st.