Proposal: Trouba for Hanifin

[rt]

If Trouba does get traded in the next few weeks, I believe Jets fans are in for a very sobering reality check. Having read several of the Trouba threads on this board and on the Jets board, I suspect that the actual return would be about one half the value that the average expectation seems to be among Jets fans. Or at least the more hopeful ones.

 

[Steve]

Carolina easily passes.

Agreed. I'd rather have Hanafin.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I wouldn't go that far. I can't see the Canes passing on Laine for Hanifin.

Today, I wouldn't pass on Laine for Hanifin, but it's not because of Value, it's because of depth and circumstances. Laine has the potential to be an excellent top line winger. Hanifin has the potential to be an excellent #1LHD. If the Canes situation today, was the same as it was last year at this time (Fleury coming off a poor season and Slavin an unknown 4th round pick who nobody knew would even be an NHLer), I don't see Francis moving Hanifin for Laine, and I wouldn't have either. He's looking at a Hanifin / Faulk pairing that will anchor the Canes defense for years to come and their depth on the LHD side was tenuous at best.

Fast forward 1 year. Slavin (and to a lesser degree Pesce) bursts onto the scene and shows that he's not only a capable NHLer, but a good one at that. Fleury bounces back and has a solid season and the Canes get Bean in the draft. Suddenly, while they still aren't fully proven, Hanifin isn't the only option on the LHD side any longer and the Canes have good depth.

It's all fun and games discussing it anyhow as that wouldn't be offered and I doubt the Canes are shopping Hanifin at all. Eventually, the Canes will likely be moving some of their D if they all pan out, but I don't see that happening for another year or two, when they are more proven and their value is higher.

 

[Hunter368]

If Trouba does get traded in the next few weeks, I believe Jets fans are in for a very sobering reality check. Having read several of the Trouba threads on this board and on the Jets board, I suspect that the actual return would be about one half the value that the average expectation seems to be among Jets fans. Or at least the more hopeful ones.

What are you estimating that half of Jets nation is expecting for Trouba if traded?

Opinion varies within Jets forum even. But it won't be a bunch of misc pieces, it will be quality for quality, likely 1 for 1 trade.

 

[Guffman]

Trouba isn't getting traded. He'll get bridged at worst and real trade discussions happen next year. These threads are pointless.

 

[Whileee]

If Trouba does get traded in the next few weeks, I believe Jets fans are in for a very sobering reality check. Having read several of the Trouba threads on this board and on the Jets board, I suspect that the actual return would be about one half the value that the average expectation seems to be among Jets fans. Or at least the more hopeful ones.

The trade value would be around the same as Larsson or a bit more, right?

 

[Hunter368]

The trade value would be around the same as Larsson or a bit more, right?

It will be close +/- a tiny bit, I would be very happy with that as a Jets fan.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

The trade value would be around the same as Larsson or a bit more, right?

How do you figure? Larsson is signed to a cheap reasonable 5 year deal at $4.1 million per and Trouba is seeking far more. Seeing that Trouba isn't even under contract now lessens his value. Unless he's signed for a reasonable contract. Winnipeg wont get any where close to what Larsson got.

 

[lanky]

The trade value would be around the same as Larsson or a bit more, right?

While I think Trouba is a slightly more valuable on-ice asset compared to Larsson, I think Larsson is a better franchise asset than Trouba. Larsson was already signed to a bargain of a contract. Trouba won't sign for a bargain and if he signs a bridge deal, he will almost definitely go to UFA asap.

Also, the Edmonton trade was unique because they were under huge pressure to get something done. It was an overpayment. Jets will have to be patient and lucky to find a trade partner that is as willing as Edmonton was to overpay.

So no, I don't think Trouba is likeley to return as much as Larsson did.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It will be close +/- a tiny bit, I would be very happy with that as a Jets fan.

First off, I'll be a bit surprised if Trouba is traded right now. Secondly, I have no idea what his value would be, but I'm not sure you can count on that it would be similar to the Hall/Larsson trade. Value isn't determined in a vacuum, so you would need to find a team that feels Trouba is critical piece for them and have a surplus of something you want. I'm not saying he won't return something like that, but you can't count on it either. Add to it the contract terms that were mentioned above and it adds even more variables.

Edmonton desperately needed a player like Larsson and with McDavid, RNH, Draisatl, Eberle, Hall, Lucic, Puljujarvi...as well as Yakupov, Maroon, and Pouliot, they could afford to give up a talented winger in Hall to make their team better.

I know it's contrary to popular HF belief, but IMO, that was a very good trade for Edm. They've still got a deep stable of forwards, some of them elite. They've got a decent goalie, and now, "If healthy", they have the makings of a very good defense with Larsson, who is just coming into his own, Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson and Nurse. I wouldn't be surprised if EDM is comfortably in the playoffs next year or at least in the hunt right up to the very end.

 

[sully1410]

How do you figure? Larsson is signed to a cheap reasonable 5 year deal at $4.1 million per and Trouba is seeking far more. Seeing that Trouba isn't even under contract now lessens his value. Unless he's signed for a reasonable contract. Winnipeg wont get any where close to what Larsson got.

Yes we will. Trouba is better than Larsson, and is younger. We should also point out for the millionth time that Trouba has absolutely NO leverage. At all. No Arbitration. No nothing. Then only thing he can do is sign the contract or sit out...which is more detrimental for him than it is for the team.

The same becomes true for any team trading for him.

 

[CaptainChef]

Beaulieu has more potential, im good with him.

Not enough crap about how good Beaulieu is in the Mtl trade thread? They are not on the same level, but we'll just let you believe whatever your little heart desires.

 

[Brock Anton]

I like Hanifin, but I wouldn't touch this deal as a Jets fan. Skinner is fragile and 1 hit from being an NHL memory...easy pass.

**** me. it never ends.

 

[Rebels57]

**** me. it never ends.

Right? Skinners last 3 seasons:

82 games played
77 games played
71 games played

Can we move on from the "Skinner is made of glass" narrative?

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Trouba is mega overrated

 

[Hunter368]

Trouba + Ehlers for Hanifin + Skinner would make a lot more sense.

Jets fan here, that's actually a reasonable trade I would do (pretty fair value), but what is Hurricanes motives to do this trade?

 

[Maukkis]

**** me. it never ends.

Feel you. There are some topics which are just completely hopeless. Those include both Skinner and Trouba. There's just no winning when people see speculation and immediately think of it as a legit talk based around facts. Or, in your case, people surprisingly turning into doctors whenever they see a chance of poaching a player for their favourite team.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Jets fan here, that's actually a reasonable trade I would do (pretty fair value), but what is Hurricanes motives to do this trade?

To get worse?

 

[PB37]

Hanifin doesn't land you Laine, not even close. And if Laine indeed got offered and the Canes turned it down, the GM would be looking for a trip to Bahamas in order to escape the following turmoil.

Disagree. The value of a young dman with the potetial to be a number 1 is greater than a young winger with the potential of being 1st line talent.

 

[Daddy Longlegs]

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Disagree. The value of a young dman with the potetial to be a number 1 is greater than a young winger with the potential of being 1st line talent.

Disagree in this case. Most first line wingers don't have the potential to be a perennial 40 plus goal scorer. Bob Mckenzie even said that Laine is the best pure goal scorer (winger) since Ovechkin. That's not your average first line winger. As of right now Laine > Hanifin (value wise).

 

[Bridgeman]

From what I'm hearing from my contacts in the Boston area is that Hanifin is pushing 220 lbs and is skating like the wind in the summer pro league that he and many pros play in out of Foxboro Ma .... The kids ceiling is crazy high ... I love how he gets little respect from people on this board .... He has a lot to prove this year and I'm sure looking forward to making a lot of so called experts look foolish .....the Canes should keep Slavin and trade Hanifin and put him in a real market where he'll be appreciated!

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

From what I'm hearing from my contacts in the Boston area is that Hanifin is pushing 220 lbs and is skating like the wind in the summer pro league that he and many pros play in out of Foxboro Ma .... The kids ceiling is crazy high ... I love how he gets little respect from people on this board .... He has a lot to prove this year and I'm sure looking forward to making a lot of so called experts look foolish .....the Canes should keep Slavin and trade Hanifin and put him in a real market where he'll be appreciated!

Oh look, one of those "real market" posters. I think Hanifin is appreciated just fine in Carolina, thank you.

 

[Legend123]

Not enough crap about how good Beaulieu is in the Mtl trade thread? They are not on the same level, but we'll just let you believe whatever your little heart desires.

At both players salaries and Trouba not offering anything special and still wants a 6-7M$ contract, im more than happy with Beaulieu and hope he reaches his potential next season with Weber. In fact, i would take him over trouba any day of the weak mainly cuz I wouldnt want trouba at that price tag.

 

[Legend123]

The problem with the perception of Hanifin is that he wont score too many points in his career. He's more the type of player McDanough is and not like Subban. Typically, Dmen like McD dont get much appreciation where as Subban-like players get tons of attention and excitement.

 

[Bridgeman]

Oh look, one of those "real market" posters. I think Hanifin is appreciated just fine in Carolina, thank you.

Relax Francis! I'm not talking about the Carolina fans! I'm talking about how fans across the league In general feel about small market players because they get zero attention! But thanks for the concern