Speculation: Trouba Contract Negotiations not close?

[JetsHomer]

Haven't heard a peep about Strome.

Read a whole bunch of rumors saying Okposo, Nielsen, and Martin would all leave in UFA, but as long as I say those rumors are bogus all three guys should stick around on the Island.

Yeah bud, UFAs and RFAs are exactly the samething, good point.

Why are you discounting the many reports that say the Jets have no interest in trading Trouba and only plan on looking him up to a longterm deal?

Oh wait I already know the answer 'I read a rumour on the internet'

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I think before all is said and done, Kevin Cheveldayoff will give Jacob Trouba 8 years $44 million or an AAV of $5.5 million he should be definitely worth that to the club. For what he brings.

I'd be totally fine with that.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

If you keep repeating it maybe it will become true

Be honest now. How many Lawless articles have you read? How much have you listened to him on 1290?

 

[Maukkis]

Here's a list of acceptable trade assets in a Trouba trade. Offer one of these, or don't bother.

ANA: Lindholm (or, his rights... yeah. Two can play this game. But realistically, no one.)
ARI: no realistic match
BOS: no one
BUF: no realistic match
CAL: Hamilton
CAR: Hanifin, Faulk
CHI: no one
COL: Johnson
CBJ: Murray, Jones
DAL: no realistic match
DET: no one
EDM: Klefbom, Larsson
FLA: no realistic match
LA: no realistic match
MIN: Brodin/Scandella (heavy additions are needed)
MTL: no one
NSH: Ekholm. And quite a big plus.
NJ: no one
NYI: Hamonic, Leddy
NYR: McDonagh
OTT: Kar... no one
PHI: Provorov
PIT: Määttä with a decent plus
SJ: no realistic match
STL: no realistic match
TB: no realistic match
TOR: Rielly
VAN: Tanev
WSH: no realistic match

Do you think any of these are realistic? No. Do I think that getting Trouba for anything LESS is realistic? No.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I remember the classic Lawless claiming Buff would get 10 million for 7-8 years. Lawless is no insider.

Bingo! All the Trouba talk we're hearing is exactly what we heard about Buff and look how that turned out.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Of course this guy has no credibility, same as the last guy who reported the Jets were having trouble signing Trouba. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that. And the guy before that.

How much weight do you put behind anything Eklund says?

 

[The Kingslayer]

Wait what? He doesnt play for the Avs. How is this happening?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Haven't heard a peep about Strome.

Read a whole bunch of rumors saying Okposo, Nielsen, and Martin would all leave in UFA, but as long as I say those rumors are bogus all three guys should stick around on the Island.

Look at that orange. It's the exact same as this apple. CRAZY!!!!

 

[Huffer]

An Oilers beat writer is considered an 'insider' now? It's weird how he's claiming Lawless said this but Lawless hasn't mentioned Trouba in his Twitter account or TSN blog for a long time?? Almost like he's making it up for page hits cause his team is still in desperate need of a defenceman?

Lawless did infact say on That's Hockey that the Jets and Trouba are apart on term, dollars, and usage. He also said, (and it's not surprising it's being ignored on this thread by the usual suspects) that the Jets have no intention of trading Trouba.

Also, on 1290 this morning, Leibl (the host for those that don't listen to Winnipeg sports radio every day) said that Lawless contacted him to let him know he didn't say things were "Far" apart, just apart. Lawless wanted that clarified.

Personally, I don't think the Trouba situation is much different than any of the other high profile RFA's not signed at the moment. Trouba's small difference is likely in the fact that unlike other unsigned RFA's, he plays on a team where he has 2 other good players in his natural spot. Considering Paul Maurice has come out and said he's like to pair Trouba with Buff this year, I'm not sure usage is as big of a deal as some would like to make it.

 

[Whileee]

Lawless is more likely to be a mouthpiece for the organization than for the agent. He does get inside info from time to time, but the trick with him is always figuring out if he’s reporting inside information given to him, when he’s coming up with analysis on his own and when he’s doing op-ed. Op-ed is op-ed, his reporting can be pretty good but his analysis is terrible.

I agree with this. Also, this is nothing new. Lawless floated his theory about "usage" being an obstacle in the negotiations a few weeks ago, and he did it using very speculative language.

At that time, he said that he thought the Jets would want to go long term, with Trouba wanting to go shorter. He also said he thought that Trouba's agent wants more salary than the Jets will want to pay. Well, "duh".

He also said that his thinking is that the Trouba deal likely won't get done until just before the World Cup, which is the next "deadline".

If anyone is actually interested in hearing Lawless' "theory", you can listen here....

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/winnipeg-1290/lawless-jacob-trouba-contract-negotiations-1.527442

In the interview he makes it clear that these are his thoughts (about usage). He also makes the ridiculous claim that Maurice might well try to keep Trouba on RD as a third pairing D, which is completely contrary to what Maurice has said he plans to do.

Lawless concludes by saying that he thinks that "Trouba wants to be top 4 now". Well, Gary, Trouba already is part of the "top 4", and will certainly be there this season and beyond.

Tempest in a teacup, which is mid-summer fare.

 

[HarrisonFord]

Comparable contracts:

Ekblad - $7.5M (Ekblad is better)
Rielly - $5.0M (Rielly is better)
Jones - $5.4M (Jones is better)
Maatta - $4.08M (Trouba is better)
Klingberg - $4.25M (Klingberg is better)
Brodin - $4.17M (Trouba is better)

I'd slot fair value for Trouba in at around $4.5M-$5.0M

 

[Whileee]

Lawless did infact say on That's Hockey that the Jets and Trouba are apart on term, dollars, and usage. He also said, (and it's not surprising it's being ignored on this thread by the usual suspects) that the Jets have no intention of trading Trouba.

Also, on 1290 this morning, Leibl (the host for those that don't listen to Winnipeg sports radio every day) said that Lawless contacted him to let him know he didn't say things were "Far" apart, just apart. Lawless wanted that clarified.

Personally, I don't think the Trouba situation is much different than any of the other high profile RFA's not signed at the moment. Trouba's small difference is likely in the fact that unlike other unsigned RFA's, he plays on a team where he has 2 other good players in his natural spot. Considering Paul Maurice has come out and said he's like to pair Trouba with Buff this year, I'm not sure usage is as big of a deal as some would like to make it.

I agree that usage isn't likely the issue that Lawless thinks it is. Lawless seems to think that Trouba hasn't been used in a top-4 role, and that he'll want assurances that he'll be top-4 going forward. Trouba was 3rd in time on ice per game last season with the Jets, comfortably ahead of #4 Enstrom.

 

[sully1410]

Ugggh. This is ridiculous.

 

[Whileee]

Comparable contracts:

Ekblad - $7.5M (Ekblad is better)
Rielly - $5.0M (Rielly is better)
Jones - $5.4M (Jones is better)
Maatta - $4.08M (Trouba is better)
Klingberg - $4.25M (Klingberg is better)
Brodin - $4.17M (Trouba is better)

I'd slot fair value for Trouba in at around $4.5M-$5.0M

There's absolutely no point in projecting salary without term. Also, the circumstances of those signings are all very different in terms of past performance, career stage, etc.

I think Trouba would get slightly more than Rielly on a 6 year deal (I think that Rielly and his agent got taken by Lou in negotiations), and slightly less than Jones.

After three very solid seasons I think the Jets have a high degree of confidence in Trouba, and will pay him accordingly. They'll want to go long-term, 6 years at a minimum. I'd project...

6 years, $5.25 AAV
7 years, $5.75 AAV
8 years, $6.00 AAV

That would put him a bit below Jones

 

[member 157595]

I'd be very interested from a Toronto POV but the Jets need LHD and we cannot afford to give up Rielly, so I don't see a fit.

I think before all is said and done, Kevin Cheveldayoff will give Jacob Trouba 8 years $44 million or an AAV of $5.5 million he should be definitely worth that to the club. For what he brings.

I'd definitely take that gamble if I'm Winnipeg.

 

[Maukkis]

I'd be very interested from a Toronto POV but the Jets need LHD and we cannot afford to give up Rielly, so I don't see a fit.



I'd definitely take that gamble if I'm Winnipeg.

I'd give Trouba the same contract as Scheifele got, and nothing more. That's about as far as I would be willing to go as a Jets fan.

 

[JetsHomer]

There's absolutely no point in projecting salary without term. Also, the circumstances of those signings are all very different in terms of past performance, career stage, etc.

I think Trouba would get slightly more than Rielly on a 6 year deal (I think that Rielly and his agent got taken by Lou in negotiations), and slightly less than Jones.

After three very solid seasons I think the Jets have a high degree of confidence in Trouba, and will pay him accordingly. They'll want to go long-term, 6 years at a minimum. I'd project...

6 years, $5.25 AAV
7 years, $5.75 AAV
8 years, $6.00 AAV

That would put him a bit below Jones

I think that there is also a possibility of a 5 year deal if the rumours of Trouba actually wanting out are true, similar to how the Jets handled Kane and him apperently not being happy here. If it's 5 year I expect it'll be 4.75-5m per, but I expect either 6 or 7 years

 

[Homesick]

Be honest now. How many Lawless articles have you read? How much have you listened to him on 1290?

Zero. I just knew as soon as I read the OP that someone would come out calling him "clueless" "idiot" etc. It happens every time a reporter says anything that might be construed as negative towards a franchise. Within 10 posts every thread The same reporter will be used to debunk anything else said if its favourable to the franchise

 

[member 157595]

I'd give Trouba the same contract as Scheifele got, and nothing more. That's about as far as I would be willing to go as a Jets fan.

I'm thinking that Cheveldayoff agrees with you at the moment but I have nothing concrete to base that on. I'd personally take the 8 year gamble on Trouba for $5.5M/year because I think he has a lot more potential than he's shown thus far. I'm a big fan.

For 8 years, I'm willing to be that Trouba's agent would be asking for something like $6.5M/year, which is an overpayment.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Zero. I just knew as soon as I read the OP that someone would come out calling him "clueless" "idiot" etc. It happens every time a reporter says anything that might be construed as negative towards a franchise. Within 10 posts every thread The same reporter will be used to debunk anything else said if its favourable to the franchise

The bold part is really all you needed to say.

 

[Maukkis]

I'm thinking that Cheveldayoff agrees with you at the moment but I have nothing concrete to base that on. I'd personally take the 8 year gamble on Trouba for $5.5M/year because I think he has a lot more potential than he's shown thus far. I'm a big fan.

For 8 years, I'm willing to be that Trouba's agent would be asking for something like $6.5M/year, which is an overpayment.

Yeah. 5,5 for eight years is a steal. 6,5 is too much.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Yeah. 5,5 for eight years is a steal. 6,5 is too much.

Split it at 6 and everyone is happy.

Until that happens, lets head to the pub

 

[Whileee]

I think before all is said and done, Kevin Cheveldayoff will give Jacob Trouba 8 years $44 million or an AAV of $5.5 million he should be definitely worth that to the club. For what he brings.

At 8 years Trouba will get more than $5.5M - closer to $6M, in my opinion.

Trouba is much more valuable to the Jets than many posters here think.

There are only two possible circumstances that I could see that would lead Chevy to trade Trouba:

1) Trouba doesn't want to stay with the Jets long-term - so far, sources have said that both sides are interested in a long-term deal.

2) There are concerns about Trouba's off-ice behavior - there is no evidence that this is even an issue.

So, I expect that the Jets will end up signing Trouba to a long-term deal (minimum of 6 years). I also won't be surprised if it is seen as being a bit above "market value", but mostly because I think that the Jets see higher value in Trouba than superficial analyses might suggest.

 

[HarrisonFord]

There's absolutely no point in projecting salary without term. Also, the circumstances of those signings are all very different in terms of past performance, career stage, etc.

I think Trouba would get slightly more than Rielly on a 6 year deal (I think that Rielly and his agent got taken by Lou in negotiations), and slightly less than Jones.

After three very solid seasons I think the Jets have a high degree of confidence in Trouba, and will pay him accordingly. They'll want to go long-term, 6 years at a minimum. I'd project...

6 years, $5.25 AAV
7 years, $5.75 AAV
8 years, $6.00 AAV

That would put him a bit below Jones

I actually agree with everything that you said, which is weird for a discussion between the two of us. I do think that the Rielly deal was a steal by Lou, but I thought that would actually be a benefit for the Jets. One of the best ways to influence these negotiations is by pulling comparables. One of the best ones is Rielly. Same draft class, and same sort of top pairing career path. Because out of that draft class Rielly, Trouba and Lindholm are very comparable with each other compared to the rest of the draft class of defenders. I could see them doing what they did with Schiefele and going 8 years. Though personally, the only thing I disagree on is that 8 year AAV. With a 6 year deal you're only buying up 2 UFA years. With 8 years, that's 4. If they go 8, I could see it being in the $6.5M range

 

[Nickel eye Heel hers]

Comparable contracts:

Ekblad - $7.5M (Ekblad is better)
Rielly - $5.0M (Rielly is better)
Jones - $5.4M (Jones is better)
Maatta - $4.08M (Trouba is better)
Klingberg - $4.25M (Klingberg is better)
Brodin - $4.17M (Trouba is better)

I'd slot fair value for Trouba in at around $4.5M-$5.0M

I'd agree with your market value of Trouba being in the 4.5 to 5M range.
I think 5.25 to 5.5 M if signed for 8 years.