Speculation: Trouba Contract Negotiations not close?

[namttebih]

Out of curiosity, in your opinion Jets fans, what is the number that they wouldn't match in an offer sheet situation? At $7.3 x 7 they only get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

 

[bogostick]

Out of curiosity, in your opinion Jets fans, what is the number that they wouldn't match in an offer sheet situation? At $7.3 x 7 they only get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

Pretty sure that is worth 4 1sts with a aav of 10.22

 

[Moon Man]

Split it at 6 and everyone is happy.

Until that happens, lets head to the pub

Hahaha I'm down. Can't wait for this all to just be over.

 

[buttman*]

Reading this thread the only thing that comes to mind is how overrated Trouba is.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Out of curiosity, in your opinion Jets fans, what is the number that they wouldn't match in an offer sheet situation? At $7.3 x 7 they only get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

4 1sts for that contract. Anything more than 5 yrs gets divided by 5 for compensation AAV purposes.

1 x $9.4M might actually be the most problematic offersheet to match.

 

[howkie]

Eric Lindros

Peter Forsberg

 

[Curufinwe]

Jacob Trouba is a good hockey player, but his greatest value to society is in educating people that for offer sheet purposes, AAV is determined by dividing the total compensation offered by the lesser of the length of the contract, or by 5.

http://www.generalfanager.com/draftpicks/offersheets

 

[namttebih]

Pretty sure that is worth 4 1sts with a aav of 10.22

4 1sts for that contract. Anything more than 5 yrs gets divided by 5 for compensation AAV purposes.

1 x $9.4M might actually be the most problematic offersheet to match.

Right. Forgot about that.

Regardless, is there an offer sheet that they wouldn't match?

 

[ps241]

Reading this thread the only thing that comes to mind is how overrated Trouba is.

He is rated differently by different posters.

 

[hbk]

Just feels like this is headed for the Turris scenario with that representation. Hold out for a trade based on not receiving prime time usage despite not being best option. Forced into a trade scenario of futures instead of immediate assets. On a team loaded with prospects not a ideal scenario.

 

[Whileee]

Just feels like this is headed for the Turris scenario with that representation. Hold out for a trade based on not receiving prime time usage despite not being best option. Forced into a trade scenario of futures instead of immediate assets. On a team loaded with prospects not a ideal scenario.

The notion about usage is entirely speculative. In any case, the coach has indicated that Trouba will be a top pairing player with the Jets best D.

 

[OutsideLookingIn]

The notion about usage is entirely speculative. In any case, the coach has indicated that Trouba will be a top pairing player with the Jets best D.

I think he indicated the same thing last year. Why would Trouba believe him this year?

 

[hbk]

The notion about usage is entirely speculative. In any case, the coach has indicated that Trouba will be a top pairing player with the Jets best D.

True but Trouba's representation has a history of playing that card to force a payday and/or trade.

 

[Maukkis]

Out of curiosity, in your opinion Jets fans, what is the number that they wouldn't match in an offer sheet situation? At $7.3 x 7 they only get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

You'd have to definitely go over the 2 firsts 1 second 1 third limit, since Trouba wants a long term deal. But the most problematic offer sheet would probably be 2×6 or something. If you need an explanation, see O'Reilly, Ryan.

 

[OutsideLookingIn]

True but Trouba's representation has a history of playing that card to force a payday and/or trade.

With a short window to make a living in hockey, isn't that his representatives job. Maximize income potential where the players at or find a better opportunity somewhere else. Take off the fan glasses and look at it from the player's side.

Why would Trouba want to sacrifice his potemtial by playing his offside, when there are better options. Limiting his PP opportunities, when there are better options. If TN thought Trouba was a #1 RD, they set themselves up for this by signing Buff.

I would imagine Trouba doesn't want to wait 3-5 years to be a #1 RD, if that's his ceiling, when there are better opportunities for him. Look at other young D in the league and the opportunities they have, Rielly, Linholm, Jones, ect. The list goes on. We can debate this all day long, but if Trouba thinks that that is his ceiling, then that's all that matters in a neigotiation process.

 

[jetsforever]

I think he indicated the same thing last year. Why would Trouba believe him this year?

Trouba did play a lot of last season on the top pairing with Byfuglien. The only problem is that he also played some with Stuart.

 

[kdog82]

He probably doesn't want to play in Winnipeg for the next 5-8 years. He is forcing the Jets hand ala Dougie Hamilton.

Trouba will get traded and re-sign with team x for a lot less than people around here think.

 

[ellismate]

I wanna see Chayka continue this unreal offseason of his and get something done with Trouba

You want him to pluck an rfa? Cause that would be awesome. We'll take a couple first round picks for our bottom pairing D

 

[ellismate]

He probably doesn't want to play in Winnipeg for the next 5-8 years. He is forcing the Jets hand ala Dougie Hamilton.

Trouba will get traded and re-sign with team x for a lot less than people around here think.

He's an rfa. He pretty much has no leverage at all here. Let's say we offer him 4 million a year for 6 years or something. If he doesn't want to sign that an team x offers him 4.5x6, we have the option to match still. If they go real crazy and offer him like 5x6, then we get like two first round picks as compensation... which most people would already see as an overpayment

 

[JetsHomer]

You want him to pluck an rfa? Cause that would be awesome. We'll take a couple first round picks for our bottom pairing D

Trouba is easily our second best defesemen and the Jets wouldn't let him go to an offer sheet unless it was four firsts.

Two firsts for Trouba and you think that's a good deal? Cmon man

 

[ellismate]

Trouba is easily our second best defesemen and the Jets wouldn't let him go to an offer sheet unless it was four firsts.

Two firsts for Trouba and you think that's a good deal? Cmon man

I think he's easily our second or third best. He's coming off a garbage season though. If he's not deserving of a bridge deal then I'm not sure who is.

 

[hbk]

With a short window to make a living in hockey, isn't that his representatives job. Maximize income potential where the players at or find a better opportunity somewhere else. Take off the fan glasses and look at it from the player's side.

Why would Trouba want to sacrifice his potemtial by playing his offside, when there are better options. Limiting his PP opportunities, when there are better options. If TN thought Trouba was a #1 RD, they set themselves up for this by signing Buff.

I would imagine Trouba doesn't want to wait 3-5 years to be a #1 RD, if that's his ceiling, when there are better opportunities for him. Look at other young D in the league and the opportunities they have, Rielly, Linholm, Jones, ect. The list goes on. We can debate this all day long, but if Trouba thinks that that is his ceiling, then that's all that matters in a neigotiation process.

AZ fans went through this with Turris.im not sure how this doesn't end in a trade? Value AZ received was a A/A+ prospect (at the time even though he busted) and a 2nd. Other offers included a 1st rounder with lower thought of prospect.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Lawless did infact say on That's Hockey that the Jets and Trouba are apart on term, dollars, and usage. He also said, (and it's not surprising it's being ignored on this thread by the usual suspects) that the Jets have no intention of trading Trouba.

Also, on 1290 this morning, Leibl (the host for those that don't listen to Winnipeg sports radio every day) said that Lawless contacted him to let him know he didn't say things were "Far" apart, just apart. Lawless wanted that clarified.

Personally, I don't think the Trouba situation is much different than any of the other high profile RFA's not signed at the moment. Trouba's small difference is likely in the fact that unlike other unsigned RFA's, he plays on a team where he has 2 other good players in his natural spot. Considering Paul Maurice has come out and said he's like to pair Trouba with Buff this year, I'm not sure usage is as big of a deal as some would like to make it.

The above post has clearly not received enough attention in this thread. I've highlighted the key points.

1) Lawless chose to later clarify his words and state they weren't far apart, just apart; that is likely because it was since explicitly impressed upon him by the negotiating parties that the spread on the negotiation points is likely much closer than he portrayed them to be, that it isn't as if there exists any significant cultural divide.

2) The Jets have no intention of trading Trouba; self explanatory.

The reality is that Trouba is an RFA with no arbitration rights and little in the way of any leverage. They will most likely eventually come to a deal, just like all of the other unsigned RFAs' at present, and especially given these negotiations apparently are not as far apart as Lawless initially suggested - based upon his need to clarify his initial report.

 

[JetsHomer]

I think he's easily our second or third best. He's coming off a garbage season though. If he's not deserving of a bridge deal then I'm not sure who is.

Trouba was actually really good last year and is easily deserving of 6x5m. Didn't watch much Jets hockey last season I take it?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

I think he's easily our second or third best. He's coming off a garbage season though. If he's not deserving of a bridge deal then I'm not sure who is.

Yeah you're going to have to go ahead and explain that.