Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[nickschultzfan]

has a 22 year old player ever lost his career never to see NHL ice again because he asked for a trade?

Turris sat out and then arizona got fleeced because he was sat out so long, 3 years later and arizona has nothing to show for it

sometimes when NHL GM's play hardball they end up with very little

If Trouba clearly wont resign in winnipeg and has asked for a trade, the GM needs to maximize the return value no matter what, personal feelings aside unless he believes he can Drouin the situation

There is no Drouin'ing the situation. Drouin will make Tampa pay in a few years with his contract demands.

 

[howkie]

And yet you expect an equivalent LHD for zero years of Trouba? No GM is going to trade a Rielly type D (young, skilled and signed) for an unsigned kid who is whining about his usage and demanding a trade.

Hello, he is a RFA, you dont trade for Trouba until you have a contract done, just waiting for his signature... how hard can it be...

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Eberle is what Boston hopes Pasta could become some day. The salary doesn't make much sense for them though.

Just because a young guy hasn't reached his full potential, doesn't mean it makes sense for a team to trade for a guy who is 6 years older, much more expensive and a free agent in 3 seasons.

Over 2 half seasons in the NHL, Pasternak scored at a pace of 45 points per 82 games with basically no PP time. Eberle's pace over those same 2 seasons is 60 points/82 games. This was with Eberle getting 2 min / game more at ES and 2 min / game more PP than Pastrnak, who basically got no PP time. Even strength they had the same points / 82 games over the past 2 seasons, and that's with Pastrnak getting 2 min/game less TOI.

Yes, it's a small sample size, but I still contend that Boston wouldn't touch this unless the plus is significant. I'm not a Bruins fan though, so I'll let them weigh in. This is not a knock on Eberle, it's a statement that takes everything (Age, money, length under team's control, potential, etc..)

 

[emodwarf]

To be honest, the dynamics of the league and where players come from has dramatically changed. North American players are coming from wealthier backgrounds and usually more urban environments. We are seeing less farm boys by the year. For example in 2015 all top 5 picks were from major American/Canadian markets (Toronto and Boston), previous year 4 of the first 5 NA players were from major metropolitan areas (Bennett/Dal Colle from Toronto, Reinhart/Virtanen from Vancouver) and while not a major city, Ekblad was from a wealthy Windsor suburb if I remember correctly. This year wasn't as extreme with Dubois raised all around Quebec due to his dad's career, but Matthews, Tkachuk, Keller, Brown, and McLeod all grew up in places much larger than Winnipeg.

Trouba, unlike many top hockey prospects never really had to move too far from home until he was nearly 20. He grew up around Detroit, went to the USNDP just outside of Detroit, then went to University of Michigan. Compare that to the typical player of the 1980's and 90's. They usually left smaller towns or cities, to play in a tiny CHL city, then paved there way to the NHL. I don't think these kids are more entitled, we are just seeing kids from different backgrounds than we commonly saw in the 1980's/90's.

Thanks for this. One of the most interesting and insightful posts I've read on these boards.

 

[Liferleafer]

Hello, he is a RFA, you dont trade for Trouba until you have a contract done, just waiting for his signature... how hard can it be...

Well...he asked to be traded in may....it's now September, so it would seem harder than you think.

 

[Hunter368]

People have to get past this idea we're going to gift Trouba to the Ducks in a straight one for one trade for Fowler, it simply won't happen. Only way we trade Trouba for Fowler is if Ducks add a significant high end expansion exempt LHD D prospect, this would be the only way Chevy would even consider it.

If Fowler straight up was the only option, I would sooner see Chevy trade for a older serviceable top 4 LHD with a couple years left on contract using a pick or one of our many prospects. This will give Josh and Stanley more time to develop and earn the position. Then trade Trouba for the BPA, specifically a forward which would offer us many more options.

 

[Whileee]

And yet you expect an equivalent LHD for zero years of Trouba? No GM is going to trade a Rielly type D (young, skilled and signed) for an unsigned kid who is whining about his usage and demanding a trade.

Team to that acquires Trouba has a minimum of 4 years of control and will have worked out a contract with him already.

 

[CarlWinslow]

Not moving Trouba:

No contract
Demanding big money
Demanding a trade

For 2 years of Fowler? Ya, the Jets are the ones being robbed...lol.

No kidding. Some Jet fans really need to reexamine their stance on Troubas value.

There were actually people here calling into local radio saying the dude was worth Hall before the Hall deal.

Trouba is not getting you a Lindholm or an equivalent d man who is signed. Deal with it.

 

[Liferleafer]

Team to that acquires Trouba has a minimum of 4 years of control and will have worked out a contract with him already.

Gee...makes me wonder why this easy as pie deal isn't done yet....

 

[Whileee]

Gee...makes me wonder why this easy as pie deal isn't done yet....

Because he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg. His agent said they would work to facilitate a deal with a suitable team. Have you not been paying attention?

 

[Kiwi]

Because he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg. His agent said they would work to facilitate a deal with a suitable team. Have you not been paying attention?

But which teams are suitable?
If some of the stuff that's being rumoured is true like not willing to play in Canada and wants to be close to home that really limits potential trade partners no matter how you look at it
How may teams is he willing to be moved to and how many of those teams have cap room and or the assets to get him?

If he's willing to play hard ball and not sign with a lot of teams this is going to be long and ugly for Trouba and the Jets

 

[BlueBaron]

That chasm is offset by the depth on the RW. Keeping Gardiner is crucial to having a complete top four for the foreseeable future.

Rielly Trouba
Gardiner Zaitsev

RW depth? You mean a bunch of unproven rookies? You really think Marner and Brown will off set the sheltering JVR can provide for them? Do you not think maybe Austin could benefit from having a First line talent to work with and learn from? Let's just ignore the fact management has already made it clear he's not really available. There is no reason to trade JVR. JVR, Kadri and our big 3 rookies are all probably going no where any time soon, nothing like that has ever been said of Gardner.

What is easier to get, a #1 LW or a 2nd pairing LHD? I know a bunch of you Leaf trade proposal guys are keen to trade JVR but I think it is mostly so you can play the trade game because it just makes 0 sense.

 

[Dk61388]

Brady Skjei & 2nd round pick for Trouba

 

[GoJetsGo55]

This idiot management could have made the deal with the Wings to draft him but got finessed by a twenty something first time GM in Arizona.

They took on a $7,500,000 cap hit to make that trade. We were not in a position to do that.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Because he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg. His agent said they would work to facilitate a deal with a suitable team. Have you not been paying attention?

My money is on "no but I want my voice heard anyway."

 

[gwh]

Gee...makes me wonder why this easy as pie deal isn't done yet....

Because Overhardt. That guy kills player careers on purpose.

At least this time the trade is done before the signing, not like Dubinsky, Turris, RyJo.

 

[4thline]

People have to get past this idea we're going to gift Trouba to the Ducks in a straight one for one trade for Fowler, it simply won't happen. Only way we trade Trouba for Fowler is if Ducks add a significant high end expansion exempt LHD D prospect, this would be the only way Chevy would even consider it.
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Lol so it's now not enough to trade for a LHD of comparable age and ability, it has to be a LHD of comparable age and ability AND a top LHD prospect

 

[Kalost]

why don't the jets just play Myers/Buff on the left side and keep Trouba?

 

[gwh]

Eberle is what Boston hopes Pasta could become some day. The salary doesn't make much sense for them though.

Eh? 15-16 Pastrnak in 80games = Eberle.

Required actions: Learn to play worse defense. Stay healthy.

Sounds like Pastrnak got this one in the bag already.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

why don't the jets just play Myers/Buff on the left side and keep Trouba?

Or just trade Myers for a LHD of similar value, and keep Trouba.

I feel like there are several ways to skin this cat. However, that's assuming that the reason he wants to be dealt is indeed concerns over not being a top-4 RHD, and not just, you know....Winnipeg.

 

[BB88]

Seriously, wouldn't this work

Anaheim receive
Pastrnak

WPG receive
Fowler

NYI receive
Trouba

EDM receive
Hamonic

BOS receive
Eberle+

This does absolutely nothing for Boston.

Or this

To Tor
Trouba

To Ana
JVR+

To WPG
Fowler

Where does Anaheim then get the cap space to sign Lindholm&Rakell?

 

[tempest2i]

I don't really understand what mechanism Jets management thinks is going to cause the trade offers for Trouba to become better the longer this situation goes on.

If teams X, Y and Z don't want to give you one of their top 4 LHD right now, what's going to change that they'll suddenly be willing to give up one of their top 4 LHD 10 or 20 games into the season?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I don't really understand what mechanism Jets management thinks is going to cause the trade offers for Trouba to become better the longer this situation goes on.

If teams X, Y and Z don't want to give you one of their top 4 LHD right now, what's going to change that they'll suddenly be willing to give up one of their top 4 LHD 10 or 20 games into the season?

I could see some scenarios.

Injuries. Slow start. Finding out a young guy at one position isn't cutting it. Finding out a young guy is far exceeding expectations making a LHD available, etc...

 

[Lempo]

I don't really understand what mechanism Jets management thinks is going to cause the trade offers for Trouba to become better the longer this situation goes on.

If teams X, Y and Z don't want to give you one of their top 4 LHD right now, what's going to change that they'll suddenly be willing to give up one of their top 4 LHD 10 or 20 games into the season?

Not saying that would be a smart strategy, but it is in the realm of plausible that for example a Jets prospect really lits up and becomes a really attractive + for such a trade to the other team in need of such player.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Brady Skjei & 2nd round pick for Trouba

1) Didn't the Rangers already trade their 2nd round pick? 2) I'd be surprised if the Jet's received an offer that only included Skjei and a pick. I would think other teams would offer more.