Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

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93LEAFS

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How do you know the Jet's have not been trying to trade him since his agent requested that in May? What is your source for this? If teams won't propose something adequate now why would they offer something greater in a year? The longer Trouba is out the more desperate the Jets get.
With Jets 1.0 players loved to play in the city. Those that wanted out was because of management. Now Kane, Bogo, Trouba asked for trades and Frolick signing a fair deal with the Flames as a UFA. Some Jet BM's need to take off the Rose coloured glasses and understand we have a serious management problem.
To be honest, the dynamics of the league and where players come from has dramatically changed. North American players are coming from wealthier backgrounds and usually more urban environments. We are seeing less farm boys by the year. For example in 2015 all top 5 picks were from major American/Canadian markets (Toronto and Boston), previous year 4 of the first 5 NA players were from major metropolitan areas (Bennett/Dal Colle from Toronto, Reinhart/Virtanen from Vancouver) and while not a major city, Ekblad was from a wealthy Windsor suburb if I remember correctly. This year wasn't as extreme with Dubois raised all around Quebec due to his dad's career, but Matthews, Tkachuk, Keller, Brown, and McLeod all grew up in places much larger than Winnipeg.

Trouba, unlike many top hockey prospects never really had to move too far from home until he was nearly 20. He grew up around Detroit, went to the USNDP just outside of Detroit, then went to University of Michigan. Compare that to the typical player of the 1980's and 90's. They usually left smaller towns or cities, to play in a tiny CHL city, then paved there way to the NHL. I don't think these kids are more entitled, we are just seeing kids from different backgrounds than we commonly saw in the 1980's/90's.
 

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Im starting to believe chevy is not going to deal this guy unless he actually gets like a Rielly,Lindholm,Brodie,etc Player, which i believe he never really will (unless he sees someone like brodin or nurse as equivalent, but still i dont believe it). Dont think hes gonna settle for any packages or any prospects for trouba. I think this is going to get to the point where its like trouba either signs a contract with the jets, or he withers away on the sidelines whilst the jets still hold his rights. I dont even necessarily think Chevy's even trying to trade Trouba at all or "shopping" trouba and letting other teams know that he has requested a trade. I think chevy will just chill and let trouba not play until something comes his way or he caves in and signs.
 
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Seriously, wouldn't this work

Anaheim receive
Pastrnak

WPG receive
Fowler

NYI receive
Trouba

EDM receive
Hamonic

BOS receive
Eberle+
 

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That makes sense for all involved.

It creates a chasm on the Leafs LW and removes our only established first line talent. Not saying the value is off but I am not sure it makes that much sense for the Leafs.

A direct trade of Gardiner+ would make more sense for us if their GM would go for that, we could add picks and prospects and even take a cap dump if need be. Jets fans may not like this but their GM might consider it if they have a slow start and Trouba is still sitting, assuming they do not get a better offer.
 

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It creates a chasm on the Leafs LW and removes our only established first line talent. Not saying the value is off but I am not sure it makes that much sense for the Leafs.

A direct trade of Gardiner+ would make more sense for us if their GM would go for that, we could add picks and prospects and even take a cap dump if need be. Jets fans may not like this but their GM might consider it if they have a slow start and Trouba is still sitting, assuming they do not get a better offer.

That chasm is offset by the depth on the RW. Keeping Gardiner is crucial to having a complete top four for the foreseeable future.

Rielly Trouba
Gardiner Zaitsev
 

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That's not unreasonable when you consider news about the trade request is just breaking, and not in May - when it initially took place.

Oh yeah, nothing wrong with asking for a source. I think you missed my point.

For those last few months, any speculation by a poster that Trouba may want out has been met with demands for links. You're making that up, provide a link etc.

And the guy I quoted is now saying Trouba wants out of WPG because he doesn't have the backbone to stand up to his family etc.
So where is the link to that?

I'm just amused by the flip-flopping, that's all
 

Lempo

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I assume the Jets could make the deal pending a contract for Fowler.

But how would Fowler's camp react if the Ducks GM suddenly out of nowhere came to say to them now that he's been thinking and Fowler really needs a longer term contract at this point because of no particular reason?
 

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But how would Fowler's camp react if the Ducks GM suddenly out of nowhere came to say to them now that he's been thinking and Fowler really needs a longer term contract at this point because of no particular reason?

Fowler can't negotiate a contract extionsion until July 1st, 2017
 

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Personally I think acquiring Trouba would be detrimental to the leafs if its going to cost the leafs Gardiner+. Moving a player who is by almost all metrics a top pairing defenseman for another defenseman who has top pairing potential just because he plays the right side is risky. Add into the fact that you're moving additional assets like kapanen + an early 2nd and it really sours the deal for me.

the biggest problem is getting trouba signed ......the leafs would go 5 mil ,same as morgan riley ,the bar is set ....
trouba and johnny hockey are dreaming if they think they ll get more from anyone ,and BTW trouba was the 7th d man in the world cup ,4.5 mil :yo::yo::yo:
 

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I'm of the belief that if a player wants out or is becoming a headache or distraction - you move him, as quickly and quietly as possible. Don't worry about getting the perfect return. I find it's better for the team going forward. Just turn the page. Sometimes it works out (E. Kane) sometimes it's still up in the air (Hamilton) - but it's better than things dragging out like Gillis did in Vancouver with Hodgson and Luongo and Kesler. Sometimes it works out holding onto a player - Hamonic (although that was never antagonistic - and was understandable) and we'll see how Drouin fits in this year. More often than not though, when the well is poisoned it's poisoned and you don't want it spreading throughout. I know their pros but we've all worked or played with people who just really don't want to be there and it sucks the life out of the room.

As a GM in Chevy's position - I think it's preferable to listen to offers (there should be many) and then just take the best one available whether it's ideal or not. But get it done as quickly as possible. It sends a message that the team comes first - which I think is more valuable than optimizing a return. Make another move if needed - but get that player away from the team.

Moving out assets that can land you significant return in a whim is poor team management. Yzerman didn't fall for it and neither should Cheveldayoff. When the team is holding all the cards there's nothing a player can do but to wait and finally succumb to whatever the organisation finds most beneficial regarding both parties, or fight off losing salary each passing day. Trying to play lotto is not the way to go from management's point of view. This isn't going to happen either. The Jets can be patient and wait until they get back what they want. Obviously the player who requests a trade needs to be dealt with, but time is not the essence unless your in a desperate situation and the Jets certainly are not (we're not in a trade deadline). Also I don't see how a player who's requested a trade and who doesn't have a contract could somehow poison the locker room without even being there.
 

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Moving out assets that can land you significant return in a whim is poor team management. Yzerman didn't fall for it and neither should Cheveldayoff. When the team is holding all the cards there's nothing a player can do but to wait and finally succumb to whatever the organisation finds most beneficial regarding both parties, or fight off losing salary each passing day. Trying to play lotto is not the way to go from management's point of view. This isn't going to happen either. The Jets can be patient and wait until they get back what they want. Obviously the player who requests a trade needs to be dealt with, but time is not the essence unless your in a desperate situation and the Jets certainly are not (we're not in a trade deadline). Also I don't see how a player who's requested a trade and who doesn't have a contract could somehow poison the locker room without even being there.

Chevy seems like a very smart GM and you never hear Winnipeg management divulge anything.
I think they are prepared to let Trouba sit as long as it takes until their demands are met. Regardless of record. Since Trouba doesn't have a contract, he won't be around the team. It's not like having an unhappy player in the locker room. He's just not there. We will see. This could drag for awhile.
 

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Seriously, wouldn't this work

Anaheim receive
Pastrnak

WPG receive
Fowler

NYI receive
Trouba

EDM receive
Hamonic

BOS receive
Eberle+

I'm pretty sure Boston would rather keep Pastrnik than get Eberle+ in return, unless of course the + was something really good. Even then, I doubt it.
 

Whileee

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I assume the Jets could make the deal pending a contract for Fowler.

Can't even try to extend Fowler for a year. He's not good enough to justify trading Trouba for only two years of control of Fowler.
 

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I'm pretty sure Boston would rather keep Pastrnik than get Eberle+ in return, unless of course the + was something really good. Even then, I doubt it.

Eberle is what Boston hopes Pasta could become some day. The salary doesn't make much sense for them though.
 

Liferleafer

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Can't even try to extend Fowler for a year. He's not good enough to justify trading Trouba for only two years of control of Fowler.

And yet you expect an equivalent LHD for zero years of Trouba? No GM is going to trade a Rielly type D (young, skilled and signed) for an unsigned kid who is whining about his usage and demanding a trade.
 

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Not moving Trouba:

No contract
Demanding big money
Demanding a trade

For 2 years of Fowler? Ya, the Jets are the ones being robbed...lol.

Your points are moot.

22 year old Trouba with 4 years of control for Fowler who is only under contract for 2 years?

Yeah the Jets are being robbed considering any team trading for Trouba will already have a framework for a contract worked out.
 

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Im starting to believe chevy is not going to deal this guy unless he actually gets like a Rielly,Lindholm,Brodie,etc Player, which i believe he never really will (unless he sees someone like brodin or nurse as equivalent, but still i dont believe it). Dont think hes gonna settle for any packages or any prospects for trouba. I think this is going to get to the point where its like trouba either signs a contract with the jets, or he withers away on the sidelines whilst the jets still hold his rights. I dont even necessarily think Chevy's even trying to trade Trouba at all or "shopping" trouba and letting other teams know that he has requested a trade. I think chevy will just chill and let trouba not play until something comes his way or he caves in and signs.

has a 22 year old player ever lost his career never to see NHL ice again because he asked for a trade?

Turris sat out and then arizona got fleeced because he was sat out so long, 3 years later and arizona has nothing to show for it

sometimes when NHL GM's play hardball they end up with very little

If Trouba clearly wont resign in winnipeg and has asked for a trade, the GM needs to maximize the return value no matter what, personal feelings aside unless he believes he can Drouin the situation
 

Eddie Munson

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Seriously, wouldn't this work

Anaheim receive
Pastrnak

WPG receive
Fowler

NYI receive
Trouba

EDM receive
Hamonic

BOS receive
Eberle+

Boston doesn't need Eberle, especially not for Pastrnak. Most Boston fans would see that as a lateral move and Boston gives up a year of ELC.

If Anaheim agreed to do Pasta for Fowler and Winnipeg agrees to Fowler for Trouba, then why doesn't Boston, a team in need of a top-4 defenseman, just take Fowler or Trouba?
 

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Boston doesn't need Eberle, especially not for Pastrnak. Most Boston fans would see that as a lateral move and Boston gives up a year of ELC.

If Anaheim agreed to do Pasta for Fowler and Winnipeg agrees to Fowler for Trouba, then why doesn't Boston, a team in need of a top-4 defenseman, just take Fowler or Trouba?

Bingo.
 
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