Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[MikeRahl]

They lose what they would get for him in trade... at least for the games that are played until a trade happens.

Scenario 1: They ADD a useful piece to the roster via trade that can immediately help them win and make the playoffs

Scenario 2: The "value" of Trouba sits on the sidelines as he remains both unsigned and untraded

Those two scenarios are not equivalent, there IS a difference in immediate value to the Jets.

There is a difference between 'useful' and 'equivalent'. The Jets can use their prospect pipeline to pick up a 'useful' piece that can help then win and make the playoffs.

It is terrible asset management to sell low on a potential impact player who you have 4 years of control left with. Drouin learned that the hard way last season.

 

[MikeRahl]

Trouba has his whole career ahead of him and will be a solid defenseman for another team. It's Chevy who is on the hot seat definitely not Trouba.

Right now Trouba is hoping he gets traded or he is sitting out this season. He could probably realistically sign a 5-7 year deal right away (either with the Jets or if he gets traded and signed). If he sits out a season would anyone give him any more than a bridge deal? Instead of looking at 5-5.5 Million, is it closer to 4 or 3?

 

[jukon]

Chychrun is probably the best they will be offered.

 

[Ducksgo*]

There is a difference between 'useful' and 'equivalent'. The Jets can use their prospect pipeline to pick up a 'useful' piece that can help then win and make the playoffs.

It is terrible asset management to sell low on a potential impact player who you have 4 years of control left with. Drouin learned that the hard way last season.

But like it has been stated numerous and numerous times already. Jets backs are against the wall. Trouba can sit the entire season out and get picked up by Vegas. Jets need to understand the ball isn't in there court it's in the teams trading for hims court.

 

[Moon Man]

I agree that a trade is unlikely; however, the determining factor would be why the Ducks have not signed Lindholm already. If Lindholm was already signed by the Ducks the chances of a trade with Winnipeg is zero.

Everyone is speculating here and there is several scenarios that could result in an eventual trade between Winnipeg and the Ducks. The ducks do not want to trade Lindholm; however, if his ask is too high and they can negotiate a lower price for trouba and the jets are will to pay the higher price (doubtful) for lindholm the two teams may look at it as a win win.

Until Lindholm signs on the dotted line with the ducks or Trouba is traded to another team (or changes his mind and signs with the jets) it is still possible despite what the so called insiders say.


personally, I would prefer if trouba would see the light and change his mind and stay with the jets

Agree with everything you've said here. At the very least it's not "daydreaming" to think this.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Right now Trouba is hoping he gets traded or he is sitting out this season. He could probably realistically sign a 5-7 year deal right away (either with the Jets or if he gets traded and signed). If he sits out a season would anyone give him any more than a bridge deal? Instead of looking at 5-5.5 Million, is it closer to 4 or 3?

Vegas would and that's the jets problem

 

[613Leafer]

There is a difference between 'useful' and 'equivalent'. The Jets can use their prospect pipeline to pick up a 'useful' piece that can help then win and make the playoffs.

It is terrible asset management to sell low on a potential impact player who you have 4 years of control left with. Drouin learned that the hard way last season.

It being bad asset management doesn't mean it has no effect on them. Sitting on Trouba to promote good asset management still has a negative effect on Winnipeg.

Essentially most outcomes of this situation will have a negative impact on them. They can sell him for less than they would have gotten 6 months ago (negative impact), or they can just sit and wait and try and force him to sign, which means short-term they're without that value on the roster (negative impact).

Can they trade pieces out of their prospect pipeline to address the need short-term? Sure, but that's also bad asset management, because they're wasting long-term assets to fill what should only be a short-term need after they resolve this Trouba situation. Not to mention, at the start of the season when no teams are really in "sell" mode yet, prices are going to be quite high and they'd have to overpay, which again, is a negative impact on them.

So yea, this situation may be bad for Trouba, but it's definitely bad for Winnipeg as well. They don't by any means, "hold all the cards".

 

[Thorburnt]

Vegas would and that's the jets problem

why do you keep bringing up Vegas? As long as Trouba is a Jet under any circumstances, it is a LOCK that he will be protected in the expansion draft. Even if he isn't signed by Dec. 1st, the Jets will retain his rights for another 4 years, and he would still be protected during the expansion draft.

 

[Moon Man]

why do you keep bringing up Vegas? As long as Trouba is a Jet under any circumstances, it is a LOCK that he will be protected in the expansion draft. Even if he isn't signed by Dec. 1st, the Jets will retain his rights for another 4 years, and he would still be protected during the expansion draft.

Yup, you don't just give up a big fish asset like Trouba and not protect him.

 

[Ducksgo*]

why do you keep bringing up Vegas? As long as Trouba is a Jet under any circumstances, it is a LOCK that he will be protected in the expansion draft. Even if he isn't signed by Dec. 1st, the Jets will retain his rights for another 4 years, and he would still be protected during the expansion draft.

It's not just protection. It's the possibility of offersheeting Trouba by Vegas. What new franchise wouldn't want Trouba in there lineup? You would be insane

Edit: We have the same exact problem with Lindholm

 

[JetsHomer]

It's not just protection. It's the possibility of offersheeting Trouba by Vegas. What new franchise wouldn't want Trouba in there lineup? You would be insane

If Trouba wants out signing an offer sheet is the absolute worst way to make that happen

 

[Stej]

It's not just protection. It's the possibility of offersheeting Trouba by Vegas. What new franchise wouldn't want Trouba in there lineup? You would be insane

That would be a great thing for the Jets.

 

[613Leafer]

It's not just protection. It's the possibility of offersheeting Trouba by Vegas

Their 1st rounder in 2018 is almost a guaranteed top 5 pick. I can't imagine them finishing anywhere but bottom 3 in their first season. An offersheet would be a pretty bad idea.

 

[The Thin White Duke]

It's not just protection. It's the possibility of offersheeting Trouba by Vegas. What new franchise wouldn't want Trouba in there lineup? You would be insane

What new franchise would risk giving up a guaranteed lottery pick + more for Trouba?

 

[Whileee]

It's not just protection. It's the possibility of offersheeting Trouba by Vegas. What new franchise wouldn't want Trouba in there lineup? You would be insane

Jets match the offer sheet, unless they get 4 firsts, or maybe even 2 firsts a second and a third.

 

[MikeRahl]

It's not just protection. It's the possibility of offersheeting Trouba by Vegas. What new franchise wouldn't want Trouba in there lineup? You would be insane

Edit: We have the same exact problem with Lindholm

I'm sure the Jets would LOVE 4 1st round picks from an expansion team.

EDIT* In this scenario Trouba can crash at my place this season and I will drive him to the airport and tearfully see him off on his flight to Las Vegas in the summer.

 

[BruinDust]

No expansion team is about to give up multiple 1st round picks to offer sheet Trouba.

 

[Ducksgo*]

What new franchise would risk giving up a guaranteed lottery pick + more for Trouba?

It's Trouba. Already an established top pairing defenseman it would be downright worth an offer sheet by Vegas. And you guys are simply guesstimating where Vegas would end up at the end of the season. I really doubt they will be that bad. You guys are just being silly now at this point.

 

[BruinDust]

It's Trouba. Already an established top pairing defenseman it would be downright worth an offer sheet by Vegas. And you guys are simply guesstimating where Vegas would end up at the end of the season. I really doubt they will be that bad. You guys are just being silly now at this point.

Silly is suggesting an expansion team would give up multiple 1st round picks for Jacob friggin' Trouba.

I've seen some ludicrous stuff here on HF Boards, and this is right up there.

 

[MikeRahl]

It's Trouba. Already an established top pairing defenseman it would be downright worth an offer sheet by Vegas. And you guys are simply guesstimating where Vegas would end up at the end of the season. I really doubt they will be that bad. You guys are just being silly now at this point.

If he is worth an offer sheet to an expansion team (almost guaranteed for 2 of those picks to be top 10) why hasn't he been worth an offer sheet to an already established team that could possibly make the playoffs throughout his contract?

 

[Ducksgo*]

Silly is suggesting an expansion team would give up multiple 1st round picks for Jacob friggin' Trouba.

I've seen some ludicrous stuff here on HF Boards, and this is right up there.

It's possible. Franchise defenseman available to build a team around while shooting a dart off in the dark on a few drafts. Just an opinion you don't have to agree to it.

Edit: And when I say franchise defenseman I mean he's grooming to be one.

 

[Pennaduck]

It's Trouba. Already an established top pairing defenseman it would be downright worth an offer sheet by Vegas. And you guys are simply guesstimating where Vegas would end up at the end of the season. I really doubt they will be that bad. You guys are just being silly now at this point.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he is an already established top pairing D. certainly he had the potential though. I do agree with you that Vegas is going to be better than most think. They are going to have lots of good depth players right off the bat, plus plenty of coin to spend to sign UFAs or take on other teams overpaid but still effective veterans. If they run the draft well I think they are decent team immidiately

 

[nzoilerfan]

Vegas won't put up a big offersheet. They'll need to stock their system with drafted prospects or else risk a LONG time in the basement if they don't get any good young kids coming through from the draft.

It's certainly going to be one heck of a interesting off-season next year!

HOw long do the Jets leave this? Will he even sign a contract? Risk sitting out a year until someone forks out a high enough price.

 

[Mr Positive]

No expansion team is about to give up multiple 1st round picks to offer sheet Trouba.

If he signs an offer sheet Winnipeg can match it. He's not signing an offer sheet, because he wants out of Winnipeg. He's getting traded.

 

[cobra427]

Chychrun is probably the best they will be offered.

It would take Chychrun plus Reider or a first. Maybe Duclair plus Dalhback.