Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[Avsblitzkrieg]

Colorado doesn't have the cap space. I don't think I'd be willing to trade the needed pieces to acquire him either.so while Colorado may have interest, I'm confident in saying pull us out.anything over 6 for trouba is bad

 

[BruinDust]

It's possible. Franchise defenseman available to build a team around while shooting a dart off in the dark on a few drafts. Just an opinion you don't have to agree to it.

Edit: And when I say franchise defenseman I mean he's grooming to be one.

No sorry but it's not.

Vegas wouldn't offer-sheet Drew Doughty and cough up 4 1st rounders, expansion teams just don't cough up almost half a decade of 1st rounders when trying to build a franchise from the ground up.

And that's assuming Trouba will eventually be a No.1 D-man, which he isn't, but that's a different argument.

 

[Ducksgo*]

No sorry but it's not.

Vegas wouldn't offer-sheet Drew Doughty and cough up 4 1st rounders, expansion teams just don't cough up almost half a decade of 1st rounders when trying to build a franchise from the ground up.

And that's assuming Trouba will eventually be a No.1 D-man, which he isn't, but that's a different argument.

Drew doughty would most certainly be offer sheeted lol. And once again you're assuming and not understanding. Vegas may never ever get a Trouba even with the first round picks. Not only that, but if you are building a team around someone coming out the gate who would you build around? Lindholm and Trouba are my guesses regarding defense still not signed.

You always build teams around defenseman first and forwards after. It's quite common practice btw

 

[Gnova]

Drew doughty would most certainly be offer sheeted lol. And once again you're assuming and not understanding. Vegas may never ever get a Trouba even with the first round picks. Not only that, but if you are building a team around someone coming out the gate who would you build around? Lindholm and Trouba are my guesses.

You always build teams around defenseman first and forwards after. It's quite common practice hence why Defenseman are worth so much.

You can't build a team around someone with no picks.

 

[Ducksgo*]

You can't build a team around someone with no picks.

They have plenty of cash to go after UFAs money certainly isn't the problem

 

[BruinDust]

Drew doughty would most certainly be offer sheeted lol. And once again you're assuming and not understanding. Vegas may never ever get a Trouba even with the first round picks. Not only that, but if you are building a team around someone coming out the gate who would you build around? Lindholm and Trouba are my guesses.

You always build teams around defenseman first and forwards after. It's quite common practice btw

While I agree teams are better off building around D than F, the only LOL around here is your suggestion that an expansion team would surrender it's first FOUR 1st round picks for Jacob Trouba.

If LV can't find a Trouba comparable D-man in their first 4 drafts than they need to fire their scouting staff. Trouba, a guy who probably tops out as a solid No.2 D-man, isn't getting offer-sheeted by an expansion team.

Not to mention LV are the new guys on the block. You actually think they are about to ruffle the feathers of their fellow NHL owners right off the bat with an offer sheet, whether it be a Trouba level guy, or a Doughty? Not going to happen.

If, if, LV did offer sheet Trouba, Winnipeg happily takes their first FOUR 1st rounders and cracks the country's most expensive champagne in celebration of absolute highway robbery.

And yeah, while I like both Trouba and Lindholm (Lindholm more), I can think of quite a few players, let alone D-men, I'd rather build around right out of the gate.

Sorry bud but you opened this can of worms with one of the most ridiculous suggestions on HF Boards I've seen in a long, long time. BTW

 

[BruinDust]

They have plenty of cash to go after UFAs money certainly isn't the problem

Yes, because UFAs on the back-half of their careers are just dying to go play for an expansion team.

 

[KGL]

They have plenty of cash to go after UFAs money certainly isn't the problem

Offer sheet their picks away when the team is just getting started and then build the rest of the team through UFA. Great idea, what could go wrong?

That's an awful idea. No expansion team would offer sheet a player unless it was Connor McDavid. An expansion team is likely to be in the bottom 5 of the league for most of its early years, four top 5 picks >>>>>>> Trouba, I can't believe this is even being debated.

 

[Gnova]

They lose what they would get for him in trade... at least for the games that are played until a trade happens.

Scenario 1: They ADD a useful piece to the roster via trade that can immediately help them win and make the playoffs

Scenario 2: The "value" of Trouba sits on the sidelines as he remains both unsigned and untraded

Those two scenarios are not equivalent, there IS a difference in immediate value to the Jets.

Trouba sitting out for a year is not a bad outcome for the Jets. Why is everyone thinking that a deal needs to get done right away.

They aren't contenders this year and it would give the team one additional year of RFA at a time when they will likely be contenders.
It will open up a roster spot for a young player for a year and could help development.
It shows future players that these antics won't work.

Other GMs know that if the right deal is proposed to Chevy than they have a chance at Trouba. They are all going to try since normally there isn't even a chance to grab a player like this but it won't be the Jets proposing trades (outside of fishing expeditions), it will be other teams. It Trouba leaves the price will be very high.

 

[Gnova]

They have plenty of cash to go after UFAs money certainly isn't the problem

This isn't the 90s.
You can't build a team with UFAs in the salary cap era. If you could big market teams would be doing it.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Offer sheet their picks away when the team is just getting started and then build the rest of the team through UFA. Great idea, what could go wrong?

That's an awful idea. No expansion team would offer sheet a player unless it was Connor McDavid. An expansion team is likely to be in the bottom 5 of the league for most of its early years, four top 5 picks >>>>>>> Trouba, I can't believe this is even being debated.

Once again all assumptions. I just gave an opinion. If your expecting LV to be bottom 5 in the league you're dreaming. That team is gonna be great I bet my bottom dollar on it. Whether it's a offersheet to Lindholm or Trouba no way they are bottom five next season.

We can all make assumptions right?

 

[Gotta Jet]

While I agree teams are better off building around D than F, the only LOL around here is your suggestion that an expansion team would surrender it's first FOUR 1st round picks for Jacob Trouba.

If LV can't find a Trouba comparable D-man in their first 4 drafts than they need to fire their scouting staff. Trouba, a guy who probably tops out as a solid No.2 D-man, isn't getting offer-sheeted by an expansion team.

Not to mention LV are the new guys on the block. You actually think they are about to ruffle the feathers of their fellow NHL owners right off the bat with an offer sheet, whether it be a Trouba level guy, or a Doughty? Not going to happen.

If, if, LV did offer sheet Trouba, Winnipeg happily takes their first FOUR 1st rounders and cracks the country's most expensive champagne in celebration of absolute highway robbery.

And yeah, while I like both Trouba and Lindholm (Lindholm more), I can think of quite a few players, let alone D-men, I'd rather build around right out of the gate.

Sorry bud but you opened this can of worms with one of the most ridiculous suggestions on HF Boards I've seen in a long, long time. BTW

Bravo!

Couldn't have said it better. What a knucklehead

 

[Ishad]

Trouba sitting out for a year is not a bad outcome for the Jets. Why is everyone thinking that a deal needs to get done right away.

They aren't contenders this year and it would give the team one additional year of RFA at a time when they will likely be contenders.
It will open up a roster spot for a young player for a year and could help development.
It shows future players that these antics won't work.

Other GMs know that if the right deal is proposed to Chevy than they have a chance at Trouba. They are all going to try since normally there isn't even a chance to grab a player like this but it won't be the Jets proposing trades (outside of fishing expeditions), it will be other teams. It Trouba leaves the price will be very high.

I expect it to go on longer than the Turris situation. Winnipeg's needs seem to be pretty narrow, going to take a while for the right deal to come along.

 

[Gotta Jet]

First of all I like Trouba. He isn't great ATM but I truly believe he can develop further to become one of the better d-men in the league. I have his jersey for f sakes.

What I don't like is the precedent and optics of a player finishing his first contract (EL) and trying to strong arm a franchise. This isn't about Winnipeg or small market. This could and likely will happen again and one of these times it will involve a true gem of a player. The current CBA does not allow what Jacob is trying to do yet his agent Overfart is notorious for these tactics.

The Jets must and I believe will exercise patience in ensuring that they get what they feel they need as value in return for JT. Maybe this is a ploy for more $, who knows. Their camp states that no negotiations have taken place, they feel he cannot develop without being top 4 playing RHD. What a bunch of crap. He averaged around 22 mins per game last year. What more do you want?

These young players should be proud to be given the opportunity to wear a NHL jersey no matter where they play. I mean this sincerely, I joke around about some locations (listen ours is not a sexy destination) but they should be proud no matter where they play. I guess this whole sense of entitlement with this generation is not only with my own kids but also with a few spoiled professional athletes as well.

Play some hockey Jacob !

 

[93LEAFS]

I want Vegas to succeed, but if they offer-sheet Trouba they will be relocated in 5 years. You don't offer-sheet for a solid defensive guy (with questionable offensive upside) with an expansion team. If it was to get an exciting player like Gaudreau (it at least might make sense as a draw, but not team building wise). Also, 2018 looks stacked, I'm sure the Jets would be ecstatic with one of Veleno, Wise or Svechnikov.

 

[93LEAFS]

First of all I like Trouba. He isn't great ATM but I truly believe he can develop further to become one of the better d-men in the league. I have his jersey for f sakes.

What I don't like is the precedent and optics of a player finishing his first contract (EL) and trying to strong arm a franchise. This isn't about Winnipeg or small market. This could and likely will happen again and one of these times it will involve a true gem of a player. The current CBA does not allow what Jacob is trying to do yet his agent Overfart is notorious for these tactics.

The Jets must and I believe will exercise patience in ensuring that they get what they feel they need as value in return for JT. Maybe this is a ploy for more $, who knows. Their camp states that no negotiations have taken place, they feel he cannot develop without being top 4 playing RHD. What a bunch of crap. He averaged around 22 mins per game last year. What more do you want?

These young players should be proud to be given the opportunity to wear a NHL jersey no matter where they play. I mean this sincerely, I joke around about some locations (listen ours is not a sexy destination) but they should be proud no matter where they play. I guess this whole sense of entitlement with this generation is not only with my own kids but also with a few spoiled professional athletes as well.

Play some hockey Jacob !

He's exercising his collectively bargained rights, I would not call that entitled. You are acting entitled as a fan in expecting him to forego exercising these rights to end up in a situation he would deem better for his professional development. Whether that be getting out of Winnipeg or the stated reason of wanting to play on the right side.

Also, find me a great example of RHD having an elite career right now playing on the left-side? In recent years it is LHD moving over due to lack of supply on the RHD. For example, the reason Canada passed on some of the bigger RHD (Letang and Subban) is because they didn't feel comfortable having them switch sides.

 

[Pucker77]

Trouba sitting out for a year is not a bad outcome for the Jets. Why is everyone thinking that a deal needs to get done right away.

They aren't contenders this year and it would give the team one additional year of RFA at a time when they will likely be contenders.
It will open up a roster spot for a young player for a year and could help development.
It shows future players that these antics won't work.

Other GMs know that if the right deal is proposed to Chevy than they have a chance at Trouba. They are all going to try since normally there isn't even a chance to grab a player like this but it won't be the Jets proposing trades (outside of fishing expeditions), it will be other teams. It Trouba leaves the price will be very high.

While a holdout is not the end of the world for Winnipeg, there are some negatives. The longer this situation goes, the less teams will be willing to offer. Especially if Trouba holds out beyond Dec. 1st, because at that point he would not be eligible to play in the NHL this season.

If you were interested in him, how much would you offer knowing that he could not play for you for another 10+ months? Not to mention that he would have been away from high caliber hockey for a year by the time he plays his first game for you and the fact that you will probably have to offer an NHL player+ for him so Winnipeg gets 50-80 games of a player while you wait.

Also, if Morrissey looks to need more seasoning and an injury occurs to Byfuglien or Myers it puts Winnipeg in a tighter situation to get some help before their season falls through.

I dont know the dynamics of the Jets dressing room so for all I know this situation could be an annoying distraction for the Jets players.

To me this story needs to end sooner rather than later. Between now and the start of the season offers may be the highest (unless a team suffers a major RHD injury early on), and after the season starts the offers will become incrementally less. Once December 1st comes, if there is no resolution, than every offer will weaken significantly.

 

[Gotta Jet]

He's exercising his collectively bargained rights, I would not call that entitled. You are acting entitled as a fan in expecting him to forego exercising these rights to end up in a situation he would deem better for his professional development. Whether that be getting out of Winnipeg or the stated reason of wanting to play on the right side.

Also, find me a great example of RHD having an elite career right now playing on the left-side? In recent years it is LHD moving over due to lack of supply on the RHD. For example, the reason Canada passed on some of the bigger RHD (Letang and Subban) is because they didn't feel comfortable having them switch sides.

I don't disagree with you but what will the league look like if every player not comfortable with their situation exercises their collectively bargained rights as you have said? It is not so unusual for a coach to ask of things from their players in so far as it removes them from their comfort zone. Some may argue that this is how these professionals grow and develop, players often accept these challenges and usually things work out. I'm not convinced that Jacob would have stayed on the left side long term. Buff won't be around forever and Trouba is a young guy. He can easily be a cornerstone in Wpg if he wanted and likely back on RHD at some point. Would it not make more sense for a player of his experience and age to hone some skills at both RHD and LHD? Would certainly make him more valuable? Jacob doesn't have much leverage here, the Jets have control for 4 more years. Could be a long winter for him.

 

[93LEAFS]

I don't disagree with you but what will the league look like if every player not comfortable with their situation exercises their collectively bargained rights as you have said? It is not so unusual for a coach to ask of things from their players in so far as it removes them from their comfort zone. Some may argue that this is how these professionals grow and develop, players often accept these challenges and usually things work out. I'm not convinced that Jacob would have stayed on the left side long term. Buff won't be around forever and Trouba is a young guy. He can easily be a cornerstone in Wpg if he wanted and likely back on RHD at some point. Would it not make more sense for a player of his experience and age to hone some skills at both RHD and LHD? Would certainly make him more valuable? Jacob doesn't have much leverage here, the Jets have control for 4 more years. Could be a long winter for him.

The thing is almost all LHD have some experience playing the right-side at a lower level, RHD rarely have this experience. To put him constantly uncomfortable situations is a legitimate reason for him not want to return. If he was signed to a deal its another story, but he is currently an RFA. And very few people are as unhappy as Trouba is, or they would be doing the same thing when they hit RFA. Trouba being a RHD already gives him significant value, it is arguably the hardest piece to acquire right now.

Also, don't give me, its this generation. I watched Fedorov sit out half a year in his prime, Peca a full season, and your franchises greatest player ended up there because he didn't like the reserve clause in the NHL and signed with the Jets for the 1st million dollar deal in hockey. These players have a limited time to make the most of their abilities (and be rewarded financially). This is not a millennial issue.

 

[Thai jet*]

Huh?

Trouba sitting out for a year is not a bad outcome for the Jets. Why is everyone thinking that a deal needs to get done right away.

They aren't contenders this year and it would give the team one additional year of RFA at a time when they will likely be contenders.
It will open up a roster spot for a young player for a year and could help development.
It shows future players that these antics won't work.

Other GMs know that if the right deal is proposed to Chevy than they have a chance at Trouba. They are all going to try since normally there isn't even a chance to grab a player like this but it won't be the Jets proposing trades (outside of fishing expeditions), it will be other teams. It Trouba leaves the price will be very high.

How do you know the Jet's have not been trying to trade him since his agent requested that in May? What is your source for this? If teams won't propose something adequate now why would they offer something greater in a year? The longer Trouba is out the more desperate the Jets get.
With Jets 1.0 players loved to play in the city. Those that wanted out was because of management. Now Kane, Bogo, Trouba asked for trades and Frolick signing a fair deal with the Flames as a UFA. Some Jet BM's need to take off the Rose coloured glasses and understand we have a serious management problem.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Whats the problem? Just play big buff as a forward and Trouba can get his top 4 right spot in the lineup.

 

[zar]

Drew doughty would most certainly be offer sheeted lol. And once again you're assuming and not understanding. Vegas may never ever get a Trouba even with the first round picks. Not only that, but if you are building a team around someone coming out the gate who would you build around? Lindholm and Trouba are my guesses regarding defense still not signed.

You always build teams around defenseman first and forwards after. It's quite common practice btw

...or they could get 4 Jacob Troubas.

LV would not offer sheet Trouba for an amount where they would be required to yield four 1st round picks... Trouba is not Ekblad. If LV valued JT this much, they could offer their next three 1sts right now for him, I say the Jets close that deal in a heartbeat... then LV could sign him for $6m AAV. Jets would probably do it for LV's next two 1st rounders.

 

[Thai jet*]

Great

Chychrun is probably the best they will be offered.

This idiot management could have made the deal with the Wings to draft him but got finessed by a twenty something first time GM in Arizona.

 

[Thai jet*]

Wrong

The Jets never leak anything. Which is why I very much doubt that guy who was claiming to have inside information coming from the Rangers organization.

Wrong, the Jets absolutely leaked the opening salary negotiating positions of Buff, Ladd & Trouba. No way 3 different agents gave that info to one writer at one time. This is why players are bailing from this team. Who wants to be employed by back stabbers.

 

[JetsHomer]

Wrong, the Jets absolutely leaked the opening salary negotiating positions of Buff, Ladd & Trouba. No way 3 different agents gave that info to one writer at one time. This is why players are bailing from this team. Who wants to be employed by back stabbers.

Wrong, the reporter was told comparables by a source and then quoted those comparable as fact. He used Seabrook for Buff's contract, Kesler for Ladd's and Doughty's for Trouba's. If you actually think the Jets leaked that info you haven't been paying attention