Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[57special]

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I am outta here
Good evening guys and gals

You really DO KNOW Nostradamus?

 

[JetsHomer]

For my sanity, is there any info out there that the Bruins have at least called about Trouba?

The Jets never leak anything. Which is why I very much doubt that guy who was claiming to have inside information coming from the Rangers organization.

 

[BatVader]

Just to enter into consideration.
A Chara-Trouba pairing for the Bruins would be a huge upgrade.
Don't know what Boston would have to give up, but they could definitely use Trouba.
I'm guessing they are inquiring, at the very least.

 

[57special]

I feel like he's going East unless it's a big overpayment coming from a Western team, especially a team in the division. I feel like Detroit and Pittsburgh would both be great fits for him, if they can work something out. Seems to be a good relationship with Buffalo, too.

I think BUFF wants LD, not RD.

 

[hurricanedave]

Just to enter into consideration.
A Chara-Trouba pairing for the Bruins would be a huge upgrade.
Don't know what Boston would have to give up, but they could definitely use Trouba.
I'm guessing they are inquiring, at the very least.

I'd take Krug so the Jets can have the smallest left side and largest right side in the nhl, well worth the symmetry of pairings.

Enstrom - Buf
Krug - Myers

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Nah.

I'm a Leafs fan. I'm not saying he's this or that, but I really enjoy watching Jake Gardiner play. He is a superb skater in a skating league. He seems to be coachable, and is developing nicely under an excellent coach. And he' s under contract.

I don't really know what Jacob Trouba is. If he sits and Morrissey plays it says on the Jets boards that he might become the fifth-best defenceman on the Jets.

I don't really know where Trouba would fit on the Leafs depth chart at this time next year, and I have no interest in the Leafs overpaying to get his rights.

Then there's his contract, his agent and his me-first attitude. Pass.

It never said that anywhere on the Jets board. At worst he is 2nd. Nothing Morrissey can do in under 3 years can change that. If Trouba stays with the Jets he will surpass Buff in 2-3 years and be #1.

On the Leafs - right now - he is 1a/1b with Rielly. There is no one cureently in the Leafs system who is going to alter that.

Not wanting to deal with his contract issues is another matter altogether. An acquiring team is free to talk to him before hand though and have a deal worked out in advance. I wouldn't expect any team to pay the price for him without doing that first. If you don't like the terms, don't do the deal.

 

[57special]

It never said that anywhere on the Jets board. At worst he is 2nd. Nothing Morrissey can do in under 3 years can change that. If Trouba stays with the Jets he will surpass Buff in 2-3 years and be #1.

On the Leafs - right now - he is 1a/1b with Rielly. There is no one cureently in the Leafs system who is going to alter that.

Not wanting to deal with his contract issues is another matter altogether. An acquiring team is free to talk to him before hand though and have a deal worked out in advance. I wouldn't expect any team to pay the price for him without doing that first. If you don't like the terms, don't do the deal.

Being a fly on the wall during the preliminary talks would be interesting.
I wonder what would be stressed most by the Trouba camp during said talks;

1- Money(includes COL/taxes)

2- Playing RD at all costs

3- lifestyle opportunities (i.e.endorsements, places to live, weather, cultural activities)

 

[Cotton]

At least it's looking like that any ways.
Sounding like all Canadian cities might not be Trouba cities any ways.

Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada? Did his agent say this?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada? Did his agent say this?

No it's just been some speculation that he only wants to play in the States, But nothing concrete yet that he wouldn't play North of the border.

 

[KGL]

Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada? Did his agent say this?

No, just speculation, although the speculation is also coming from NHL GM(s?) now. If he doesn't want to play in Canada I'm hoping Toronto is the exception to the rule due to it's proximity to Michigan.

Edit: A few names to scratch off the list of possible returns, but we already knew these three weren't going anywhere:

 

[Cotton]

No it's just been some speculation that he only wants to play in the States, But nothing concrete yet that he wouldn't play North of the border.

No, just speculation, although the speculation is also coming from NHL GM(s?) now. If he doesn't want to play in Canada I'm hoping Toronto is the exception to the rule due to it's proximity to Michigan.

Edit: A few names to scratch off the list of possible returns, but we already knew these three weren't going anywhere:

Thanks.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

No, just speculation, although the speculation is also coming from NHL GM(s?) now. If he doesn't want to play in Canada I'm hoping Toronto is the exception to the rule due to it's proximity to Michigan.

Edit: A few names to scratch off the list of possible returns, but we already knew these three weren't going anywhere:

Surprised that needed to be said.

 

[exporta]

Yeah 7 million is a huge cap hit but what I hear is he only wants 7 million per year from Winnipeg. I think the Leafs could sign sign him for 5 or 5.5 million per year. If he wants to play in Toronto, the rumor is he wants to play in the states. But if I was Lou I would jump all over a Gardiner for Trouba trade.

What's Reilly's cap hit and contract overall?

Rielly signed for 6 yrs @ 5M AAV. Toronto wouldn't go higher than that on a new deal for Trouba.

As much as Trouba would be a nice fit, a Gardiner + prospect/2nd pick type situation is all we could realistically offer.

Winnipeg is in a tough spot, they want a similar player but likely no one is going to part with that for a player demanding a deal.

Drouin had a contract, and Tampa did not receive value. Hamonic was never dealt, and also had a contract. Turris sat out until the last moment and Arizona got pennies on the dollar.

Unless an eager GM is out there, I.e. Tim Murray, I expect this will drag on. Trouba may have to play overseas in the meantime.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't know if the Jets will be able to get what they want for Trouba. Not many teams have a spare top-4 young LD and can afford Trouba's asking price. The Jets aren't benefiting from not trading Trouba and letting him sit out IMO, I don't think they'll get a D on the same caliber as Trouba. The teams with over 2 top-4 LHD (NYI, Minnesota, Columbus, San Jose and Tampa Bay all jump out to fit this) can't afford Trouba at what he's asking for and/or don't need Trouba. Not to mention that the entire expansion draft throws a wrench into things, since Trouba needs to be protected.

I imagine that there will be a lot of teams interested in Trouba, but I feel like offers will be around defensemen like Schmidt (Washington), Gardiner (Toronto) and Slavin (Carolina), not defensemen like Murray (Columbus) or Maatta (Pittsburgh).

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Fowler is closest thing to what they want but ducks can't afford Trouba

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Rielly signed for 6 yrs @ 5M AAV. Toronto wouldn't go higher than that on a new deal for Trouba.

As much as Trouba would be a nice fit, a Gardiner + prospect/2nd pick type situation is all we could realistically offer.

Winnipeg is in a tough spot, they want a similar player but likely no one is going to part with that for a player demanding a deal.

Drouin had a contract, and Tampa did not receive value. Hamonic was never dealt, and also had a contract. Turris sat out until the last moment and Arizona got pennies on the dollar.

Unless an eager GM is out there, I.e. Tim Murray, I expect this will drag on. Trouba may have to play overseas in the meantime.

That's a nice deal for you guys and Reilly. Similar to what we signed Larsson to.

Agreed the Jets don't have much leverage it seems like trouba would be willing to sit out the season. I'd still be all over it if I were you guys. If he would sign a Reilly like deal and if it's just Gardiner and one of your good prospects, not your top level prospects, obviously. I see a lot of jets fans wanting Dermot with Gardiner that may be pushing it. But again this is all fantasy and speculation, so who knows lol. I just think so highly of a Reilly and Trouba pairing along with all those young forwards you got.

 

[tbcwpg]

Agreed the Jets don't have much leverage it seems like trouba would be willing to sit out the season. I'd still be all over it if I were you guys. If he would sign a Reilly like deal and if it's just Gardiner and one of your good prospects, not your top level prospects, obviously. I see a lot of jets fans wanting Dermot with Gardiner that may be pushing it. But again this is all fantasy and speculation, so who knows lol.

I don't think the Jets will panic and sign him before Dec 1 unless he changes his mind about wanting to be here, and I don't think they'll trade him before then if they don't get a good offer. They don't have to deal him if they don't want to.

Guess who Turris' agent is. History repeats itself. We'll see with Larkin in 2 years.

 

[umwoz]

It would be really odd but maybe fitting to see a Werenski for Trouba trade.

Both Michigan DMen that were drafted by teams with needs(at the time for CBJ, no longer with Seth Jones being there) on the opposite side of their Defense.

Werenski essentially filled Trouba's absence at Michigan and put up near identical numbers.

edit: Never considered the Overhardt/RyJo connection..... Doubt CBJ wants any part of that mess..... again.

 

[Hunter368]

I would not hate the idea, if Chevy can't get his young top 2/4 LHD as a return for Trouba like reported......he instead trades a pick/prospect (which we have loads) for a older top 4 serviceable LHD with a couple years on contract to bridge the next couple years. This assumes Josh doesn't steal the top 4 LHD job (which he might).

Then trade Trouba for the bpa which would open up many more options (forwards). We can land a pretty special forward for Trouba, lots more options to look at.

This buys Josh M more time to develop as a top 4 LHD, Stanley time to develop....then revisit it again down the road.

 

[North]

That's a nice deal for you guys and Reilly. Similar to what we signed Larsson to.

Agreed the Jets don't have much leverage it seems like trouba would be willing to sit out the season. I'd still be all over it if I were you guys. If he would sign a Reilly like deal and if it's just Gardiner and one of your good prospects, not your top level prospects, obviously. I see a lot of jets fans wanting Dermot with Gardiner that may be pushing it. But again this is all fantasy and speculation, so who knows lol. I just think so highly of a Reilly and Trouba pairing along with all those young forwards you got.

Literally all the leverage is with the Jets.

Trouba goes to Europe for the year, he still owes 4 years of RFA and he's out a pretty paycheque for a season.

Come back after a year, the monetary offers may not be what they were before he left.

 

[Hunter368]

Fowler is closest thing to what they want but ducks can't afford Trouba

Vast majority of Jets fans have shown zero interest in Fowler. Not interesting option unless he came cheap.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Literally all the leverage is with the Jets.

Trouba goes to Europe for the year, he still owes 4 years of RFA and he's out a pretty paycheque for a season.

Come back after a year, the monetary offers may not be what they were before he left.

How so? The Jets gain absolutely nothing from Trouba holding out and Trouba has publicly demanded a trade. To say the Jets have all of the leverage is just laughable. They only recent situation where the team holding the player had less leverage than the Jets have with Trouba was with Nash in Columbus.

 

[umwoz]

How so? The Jets gain absolutely nothing from Trouba holding out and Trouba has publicly demanded a trade. To say the Jets have all of the leverage is just laughable. They only recent situation where the team holding the player had less leverage than the Jets have with Trouba was with Nash in Columbus.

If Trouba doesn't sign the Jets lose a player and Trouba loses millions, likely stagnates his development by not playing against the best in the world and likely has to leave the continent to make money playing hockey.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Trouba doesn't sign the Jets lose a player and Trouba loses millions, likely stagnates his development by not playing against the best in the world and likely has to leave the continent to make money playing hockey.

But that doesn't at all say how the Jets have all of the leverage here. The Jets would have all of the leverage if they weren't interested in trading him and he was under contract. Trouba holding out hurts the Jets to the point where they would almost definitely not be a playoff team without him. To act like they have all of the leverage here is just incorrect, it's that simple. The fact that they'll be drastically worse without Trouba just proves that to be false.

The Jets have very little leverage in trade negotiations and they don't have much with Trouba either. Trouba sitting out hurts the Jets more than it hurts him IMO. Trouba will still get a big payday whenever the Jets decide to move him (or he can sign an offersheet and refuse to report if the Jets match it). The longer Trouba's holdout happens, the more the Jets will fall in the standings.

 

[57special]

If Trouba doesn't sign the Jets lose a player and Trouba loses millions, likely stagnates his development by not playing against the best in the world and likely has to leave the continent to make money playing hockey.

It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face. Both sides lose.

If Trouba can't be convinced to change his mind, then WPG might be wise to trade Trouba for the BPA. Worry about getting a LHD later. To insist on getting a young, top 4 LHD back of similar value is boxing themselves into a corner. For a team like WPG whose better days are at least a couple of years ahead of them, it's silly to limit their return to one position.