Proposal: Trouba all encompassing trade thread - Part 2

[Mortimer Snerd]

We've already been over this. It's probably good I brought it up though considering i never saw it mentioned and it would have made a lot of things easier if said in trade proposals involving RHD my own included.

Yah, I saw later that I was about 5th or 6th responding to that. Jets fans have been pounding the point for months so it seems a little strange from our POV for someone to have missed it. But of course not everyone has been paying the same attention for months.

 

[tempest2i]

Longer than it will take for Trouba to crack and sign a deal IMO. Morrissey is the big key here. If he starts the year out and looks like a legitimate NHLer it will take quite a bit of pressure of Chevy.

That's fair.

From an outsiders perspective, I can see the argument for the non-Jets team in the deal wanting to get the deal done asap. You need to get Trouba into camp, learning your system and playing with his potential D partner as soon as you can. The longer this drags through training camp, and eventually into the season, I think there's still going to be interest around the league in getting Trouba, but I think a lot of the pressure from the non-Jets side of the trade to get the deal done quickly goes away.

If the season starts out and the D is struggling, I'll be interested to see how the Jets manage the situation to keep it from becoming a distraction around the team.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Actually if you're Chevy you know he's not going to Detroit because the Wings don't have what the Jets want.

I know you're hopeful but it's not happening.

And that's why 3 ways are done from time to time.

Maybe Detroit trades Tatar plus another pieces to Anaheim for Fowler and then Fowler gets flipped to Winnipeg for Trouba and maybe Detroit sends another piece to Winnipeg on top of it. Never say never things are possible.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

To ANH- Nyquist
To DET- Trouba
To WPG- Fowler

It's probably a workable basis for a deal with the right adds. Everybody gets the player they need, even if it's not who they want.

Fowler is a long way short of Trouba value. I would consider settling for him to be a big loss. Fowler is only under contract for 2 years. It would take something like Montour added to make up the value.

 

[North]

And that's why 3 ways are done from time to time.

Maybe Detroit trades Tatar plus another pieces to Anaheim for Fowler and then Fowler gets flipped to Winnipeg for Trouba and maybe Detroit sends another piece to Winnipeg on top of it. Never say never things are possible.

Sure things are possible but I'm not sure the Jets view Fowler as the left d they want.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Sure things are possible but I'm not sure the Jets view Fowler as the left d they want.

Fair point pretty sure that Cheveldayoff can do better then Fowler, Would tend to think that he would want someone better possibly longer termed then Fowler. Honestly a deal around Trouba and Maatta would probably work for both Winnipeg and Pittsburgh.

 

[larmex99]

Honka is a RHD and Cheveldayoff stipulated LHD.

So Oleksiak ++?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Eeee...this seems like a fallacy.

Its not. You could debate a long time over whether the effect is large or small but it exists. Righthanders in the general population outnumber lefties ~ 10:1. When kids are starting hockey they are usually (not always) taught to shoot with the opposite hand they write with, dominant hand high. The result is significantly more LHD than RHD. Can't give you a number but being less common RHD are worth more.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Yah, I saw later that I was about 5th or 6th responding to that. Jets fans have been pounding the point for months so it seems a little strange from our POV for someone to have missed it. But of course not everyone has been paying the same attention for months.

Like the Winnipeg Jets are really my concern lol. I'm a Devils fan and you guys are in a different conference. How on earth would I know, but now you have me confused though. You say months but Trouba just asked for the trade?

 

[MinJaBen]

The Oilers can't go into this season relying on two centers under the age of 20.

Well, they can rely on McDavid, it's Draisaitl I'm not convinced is ready for the 2C role at the moment.

Well, if you want to include Draisaitl instead of RNH, I'd be ok with that change in the trade.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Holy Moly it's Hamonic all over again.

I don't blame them. Makes the most sense.

I'm guessing Trouba doesn't play hockey this year.

The reality seems to be that this is more about money than which side he lines up on. Assuming that is true do you think he is willing to give up 4-5 $million up front in the hope of making it back later? That is quite a hole to climb out of. More likely he signs at least a bridge deal after missing a paycheque or two.

 

[Atoyot]

So Oleksiak ++?

Lindell please.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Alec Martinez is a RHD Cheveldayoff stipulated a LHD needs to come back. And Martinez is older then what Chevy wants.

He's a LHD.

And a top 4 left handed dman signed long term.

 

[Avs44]

The reality seems to be that this is more about money than which side he lines up on. Assuming that is true do you think he is willing to give up 4-5 $million up front in the hope of making it back later? That is quite a hole to climb out of. More likely he signs at least a bridge deal after missing a paycheque or two.

They haven't talked contract with the Jets since May. I'd say this extends far beyond just money.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Fair point pretty sure that Cheveldayoff can do better then Fowler, Would tend to think that he would want someone better possibly longer termed then Fowler. Honestly a deal around Trouba and Maatta would probably work for both Winnipeg and Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh doesn't have the cap to sign him.

Even dealing Maata for him still creates problems.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Super surprised no deals got done today regarding Trouba,Rakell,Lindholm, Etc Tomorrow is the start of pre season. And each of all the RFAs are incredibly important for each organization.

This is gonna be a mess this week. I can feel a few block busters happening. Just a gut feeling.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Say you traded Trouba for a high end forward. What would your defense pairings look like without him?

Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - Byfuglien
Garbage - Trash

edit for seriousness: 3RD is actually paul postma. He's OK
3LD is Mark Stuart or Ben Chiarot.

That's about it. I wouldn't call Chiarot and Postma Garbage and Trash. They are adequate 3rd pair. Morrissey playing top 4 as a rookie might be a bit of a stretch but we hope he would be up to it. In the press box we then have Stuart and Strait (yuck!).

We really just don't need that high end forward. If he is truly high end he would push someone down but that someone would be a pretty good player himself so little net gain. A young top 6 C would be somewhat interesting. We will need a replacement for Little eventually and Little could be a good RW. It certainly is not optimizing the value of Trouba though.

We need a top 4 LHD and we also would need RHD moving up in our system.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Is gaudreau even signed? Can't find a new contract for him either googling. So that's 4 important players not under contract to play yet. I know this is a Trouba thread. But man 3 teams hurting like hell right now

 

[tempest2i]

Well, if you want to include Draisaitl instead of RNH, I'd be ok with that change in the trade.

I'd prefer the Oilers keep both Nuge and Draisaitl. Faulk would be a fantastic addition to the Oilers roster, but not at the expense of a expansion draft exempt blueliner and one of Nuge or Draisaitl on the cusp of a new season. Filling one hole by opening two others just weeks ahead of the start of the season does not make sense to me.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Is gaudreau even signed? Can't find a new contract for him either googling. So that's 4 important players not under contract to play yet. I know this is a Trouba thread. But man 3 teams hurting like hell right now

4 teams

WPG - Trouba
CGY - Gaudreau
ANA - Lindholm
BUF - Ristolainen

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

He's a LHD.

And a top 4 left handed dman signed long term.

Yeah just saw that, Cap Friendly had him listed as a RD instead of LD.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Question for Jets fans: in every projected d-pairing I've seen in these threads, I never see Chiarot listed. What happened to him? I thought he would be a suitable fit for the 3rd pair, to ease Morrissey into the lineup.

As far as Chevy's ask, I can really only think of one LHD on a long-term deal that is similar in age to Trouba, and might conceivably be available: Jonas Brodin. I understand Minny probably wouldn't need/afford Trouba, and the Jets probably don't want him to go to a divisional rival, so I think there would need to be a third team involved.

Many of us want to see Chiarot replacing Stuart on the 3rd pair until Morrissey is ready. With Trouba playing on our left side and Morrissey making the jump Chiarot would be 7th man. With Trouba gone and not replaced by a top 4 LHD Morrissey is forced to play 2LHD and Chiarot should be 3LD.

Have you ever looked at Brodin's HERO chart? HERO charts are not everything but he is really not good, certainly not near Trouba value. I'd rather have Cam Fowler - I'm not a big Fowler fan.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

They haven't talked contract with the Jets since May. I'd say this extends far beyond just money.

I just listened to the Kurt Overhardt interview, And he said that they haven't talked contract since April. He said it was all about the usage and how Trouba is being used and that he and Trouba requested a trade back in May. And when Lawless asked him at the end if Trouba really wanted to remain in Winnipeg and Overhardt said yes. I think he was lying it sounds like to me and from what some Jet fans have posted or heard. That Trouba wants out of Winnipeg and possibly closer to home near Detroit.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It seems that Fowler or Leddy type of D-man is coming back. What do WPG fans think about this?

Leddy yes. (Please!) Fowler no.

Will gladly add a nice piece or 2 for Leddy.

 

[Pucker77]

The Hamonic situation to me is quite different. Travis signed a long term deal with the Islanders but then wanted to be closer to his family in Manitoba. Because of his signing he was contractually obligated to continue playing for the Islanders, where Trouba has no contract, does not need to accept any contract, and can sit out as long as he desires. I dont know if he will rescind his trade request like Hamonic did, or if he will give up on this endeavor, but it definitely leaves a bad taste in the mouths of some people.

I am a Leafs fan and would love to see a Rielly-Trouba pairing to give the Leafs a little bit of "Thunder and Lightning." I am curious though, as to how deadset Cheveldayoff is on receiving a LHD in return for Trouba. Trades these days are hardly linear, they are mostly well paid veterans on rebuilding teams traded for cost controlled prospects from contenders. So to only trade for a LHD may be hard to do.

The Leafs have Jake Gardiner who they could offer, but being a fan of his, I would try to see if there was ANY offer possible excluding him/Matthews/Nylander/Marner, but I am sure a proposal would have to include at least one of those 4 or Rielly.

Due to the possible emergence of Josh Morrissey (I have been a big fan of his for a while) as a LHD, would the Jets possibly be intereted in a Trouba for picks+prospects deal or does any return HAVE to include an NHL body?