Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III

[Leonardo87]

Well, the IIHF World Championship didn't go well for Z and neither did the season. I'm still 100% confident that he's going to figure out his game at some point and be a legit star player, but now I'm starting to worry that it may not happen in Anaheim unless he figures it out before the last year of the bridge deal.

It would suck to have to listen to all the naysayers shit on the kid, only to have him finally become a star on another team and then have the narrative turn into how foolish the Ducks were to give up on him.

Yeah, I'm not going to worry about Z, even after that WC performance. From what I've read, that Team was not very good, or coached well. Was not all on him.

What he did down the stretch last season with the Ducks is more critical, and looked like his 60+ point self but was also much better defensively, imo. He ended the season with only a -1 in 30+ games played. That's pretty remarkable, and even if +/- can be flawed I bet his advanced stats looked better. Was very snake-bitten in the beginning was not NHL game ready due to missing camp.

My expectations for Z, is a 70-80+ point Top 6 player. I think he can get there once the team around him improves and is better coached.

 

[lwvs84]

Yeah, I'm not going to worry about Z, even after that WC performance. From what I've read, that Team was not very good, or coached well. Was not all on him.

What he did down the stretch last season with the Ducks is more critical, and looked like his 60+ point self but was also much better defensively, imo. He ended the season with only a -1 in 30+ games played. That's pretty remarkable, and even if +/- can be flawed I bet his advanced stats looked better. Was very snake-bitten in the beginning was not NHL game ready due to missing camp.

My expectations for Z, is a 70-80+ point Top 6 player. I think he can get there once the team around him improves and is better coached.

That's not even mentioning the more important point... the team's record when Z was in the lineup. Wasn't the team around .500 in games he was in before the trade deadline? I know post deadline it probably dropped, but Ducks were without a top 6 forward. That's a big jump for a team that ended what... 0.36 win %?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

That's not even mentioning the more important point... the team's record when Z was in the lineup. Wasn't the team around .500 in games he was in before the trade deadline? I know post deadline it probably dropped, but Ducks were without a top 6 forward. That's a big jump for a team that ended what... 0.36 win %?

We were 7-5, with 3 OTWs, to start the season, which included the 6-game winning streak were where we had several comeback wins. That many comeback wins proved to be unsustainable for the season.

• Zegras
  • First 12 games:
    • Record = 7-5-0 (14 pts)
      Pts % = 0.583
    • 1g + 1a = 2 pts (0.17 ppg) and -4 rating.
    • ATOI = 17:52. Shooting % = 3.3% (30 att)
  • Injury:
    From 11/8 to 12/22
  • Next 8 games:
    • Record = 2-5-1 (5 pts)
      Pts % = 0.312
    • 3g + 2a = 5 pts (0.63 ppg) and -1 rating.
    • ATOI = 16:32. Shooting % = 15.8% (19 att)
  • Injury:
    from 1/10 to 3/25
    TDL was on 3/8
  • Last 11 games:
    • Record = 3-7-1 (7 pts)
      Pts % = 0.318
    • 2g + 6a = 8 pts (0.73 ppg) and +4 rating.
    • ATOI = 16:39. Shooting % = 8.3% (24 att)

It appears that Z figured out how to score on a non-offensive Cronin team as the season rolled along. The injuries seem more like a blessing in disguise as he was able to watch the team from the stands and understand what was going on because Z missed training camp.

Reviewing the splits, the team just sucked outside of the 6-game winning streak in the first 12 games of the season.

We lost two out of three FO specialists who notched over 50% wins in Rico and Carrick. Zegras needs to take that next step on the dot to help improve the chances of team wins. This past season he was 38.4% on the dot.

 

[Ducks]

Really hoping that this was a character building year for Z and that he comes back next season and establishes himself as the kind of player and leader we all believe he can be.

 

[Rasp]

Next season is very important for Z. He needs to have a big year and get back on track

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Next season is very important for Z. He needs to have a big year and get back on track

Needs to hit at least 70 points

 

[FiveTacos]

It appears that Z figured out how to score on a non-offensive Cronin team as the season rolled along.

Or he just finally got healthy, as it came out he'd played with a LBI at the beginning of the year.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I’m so tired of this lazy narrative from the media that the Ducks have allllllll these great Calder-candidate forward prospects just lined up waiting for Zegras to be traded.

 

[ADHB]

I’m so tired of this lazy narrative from the media that the Ducks have allllllll these great Calder-candidate forward prospects just lined up waiting for Zegras to be traded.

"John Gibson will never play another game for the Ducks."

 

[Reveille1984]

I’m so tired of this lazy narrative from the media that the Ducks have allllllll these great Calder-candidate forward prospects just lined up waiting for Zegras to be traded.

come on man, they're "burgeoning" don't you see it!

 

[Boo Boo]

I’m so tired of this lazy narrative from the media that the Ducks have allllllll these great Calder-candidate forward prospects just lined up waiting for Zegras to be traded.

I really wish the nhl issued some quality control on media coverage but it seems like to the some outlets (and especially seravelli) we will forever be a team to be plundered

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Why have I not heard more about the so called forced workouts in Florida that got the Ducks fined? Is there any real meat or details to the story somewhere? I’ve only heard it mentioned in passing a couple of times.

 

[All Mighty]

Why have I not heard more about the so called forced workouts in Florida that got the Ducks fined? Is there any real meat or details to the story somewhere? I’ve only heard it mentioned in passing a couple of times.

The Ducks were legitimately fined $50K for it, so clearly someone wasn’t cool with it. But $50K isn’t that much to an NHL franchise so it doesn’t seem like the league thought it was egregious. It is possible that Zegras was the whistleblower, but it sounds like Seravalli does not have that info or he probably would have said so.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

The Ducks were legitimately fined $50K for it, so clearly someone wasn’t cool with it. But $50K isn’t that much to an NHL franchise so it doesn’t seem like the league thought it was egregious. It is possible that Zegras was the whistleblower, but it sounds like Seravalli does not have that info or he probably would have said so.

That’s kind of what I was thinking. A $50k fine is hardly a slap on the wrist. So what did they do that was wrong but didn’t go to the extent of losing a high draft pick?

 

[dracom]

why is it always Zegras has to add dimensions to his game? why not Mctavish needs learn to not take terrible penalties AND put up more than 50 points AND be better defensively? Why isn't it Terry needs to learn to play with his teammates and not try to do everything himself? Why does Zegras get all the attention that he needs to completely change as a player?

The media is doing it's best to force a narrative on him and it's just so gross.

Also i'm so tired of people using the Ducks traded his best friend; has no other GM ever traded a players best friend before? is this really the first time in NHL history that it's happened that they have to bring it up constantly?

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

I really wish the nhl issued some quality control on media coverage but it seems like to the some outlets (and especially seravelli) we will forever be a team to be plundered

Ducks need to come out and put these rumors to rest. If they don't. Than maybe there is a truth to them.

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Ducks need to come out and put these rumors to rest. If they don't. Than maybe there is a truth to them.

Gibson has been in trade rumors for like 5 years now and hasn't been moved. Bobby Ryan was in the rumors for years before he was ever moved.

Just think the Ducks prefer not to comment on things, as frustrating as that can be for fans of the team.

 

[Firequacker]

why is it always Zegras has to add dimensions to his game? why not Mctavish needs learn to not take terrible penalties AND put up more than 50 points AND be better defensively? Why isn't it Terry needs to learn to play with his teammates and not try to do everything himself? Why does Zegras get all the attention that he needs to completely change as a player?

The media is doing it's best to force a narrative on him and it's just so gross.

Also i'm so tired of people using the Ducks traded his best friend; has no other GM ever traded a players best friend before? is this really the first time in NHL history that it's happened that they have to bring it up constantly?

I mean, they have a point. The Ducks bought out Perry, and then Getzlaf was gone just three seasons later!
It really is the very dumbest part of an overwhelmingly dumb narrative. But Terry and McTavish won't get them those sweet sweet clicks.

Ducks need to come out and put these rumors to rest. If they don't. Than maybe there is a truth to them.

Verbeek already pretty much said it was BS after the deadline. IIRC there were multiple confirmations at the time that the Ducks were never trying to move him, plus the "other teams thought he was available" comment. They don't need to jump every time Seravalli decides to run his mouth, that's just rewarding bad behavior.

 

[ohcomeonref]

I hope Z goes PPG next season, I'm also tired of the narrative about him. Nobody that watches him consistently buys into it.

 

[Tony O]

I really wish the nhl issued some quality control on media coverage but it seems like to the some outlets (and especially seravelli) we will forever be a team to be plundered

This!

 

[Boo Boo]

Ducks need to come out and put these rumors to rest. If they don't. Than maybe there is a truth to them.

I don’t think that’s for *the ducks* to do. As a fan with no insight into what Happens behind the scenes I feel like nhl management teams are playing poker and to clear up rumours now could put them at a disadvantage when negotiating with others at later points - just wish that guys like seravelli weren’t given free reign to drill as deep with their baseless speculation and pass it off as a legitimate lead

 

[Leonardo87]

I really can’t take anything Seravalli says seriously anymore. Especially after the Gibson crap from last summer.

This team looked so much more competitive when Z was in the line up, and if they had stayed even close to healthy, think they’d be right outside of the bubble (10-12th)and not a bottom 5 finish again.

 

[Boo Boo]

I really can’t take anything Seravalli says seriously anymore. Especially after the Gibson crap from last summer.

This team looked so much more competitive when Z was in the line up, and if they had stayed even close to healthy, think they’d be right outside of the bubble (10-12th)and not a bottom 5 finish again.

He was super classless with his comments about Vancouver in the aftermath of the Vancouver Edmonton series too - at least it’s not just us that have to deal with him

 

[HanSolo]

It's simple but no less frustrating, Zegras, by virtue of having been a standout prospect and a highlight reel buzz generator has become a big name whether people think it's deserved or not. And it's a big name coming out of a small market west coast team that isn't making enough noise in terms of on ice performance so most pundits don't feel the need to watch the Ducks to stay up to date on where things stand.

They can just look at thing at a surface level and see there's enough there to put out wild speculation that's built on enough context to not get dismissed as guessing out of hand by fans who won't bother to do more than verify surface level details, (see all those Habs fans on the trade boards that "don't want" Zegras). But the takes don't get to the heart of realities that we as Ducks fans are aware of.

 

[HanSolo]

Seravelli in particular drives me up a wall given he's the president of the PHWA and should employ better journalistic standards but is, instead, a run of the mill rumor mongering hack.