Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III

[Goose of Reason]

Lmao wtf

I mean I don't think he's wrong. He wasn't playing great up to his standards but is one bad shift worth of a benching over repeated minor penalties that guys like Gudas, Mac and Vatrano have taken? I don't know if there was anything more that happened off ice, he's clearly frustrated that he's not putting up points. He's easily been our best player not named Mintyukov this season.

 

[Deuce22]

I mean I don't think he's wrong. He wasn't playing great up to his standards but is one bad shift worth of a benching over repeated minor penalties that guys like Gudas, Mac and Vatrano have taken? I don't know if there was anything more that happened off ice, he's clearly frustrated that he's not putting up points. He's easily been our best player not named Mintyukov this season.

It was more than a bad shift. Also, we don't know what Cronin has been coaching him to do. If he is ignoring coaching, a benching seems to be in order. I didn't like his effort in getting back after the third turnover, either.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I don't really understand this take either. Without knowing what Cronin benched Zegras for (his awful shift or running his mouth or something else or a combination of all the above), we can't say whether there's a double standard.

Z has been benched before for making terrible hockey decisions. We all witnessed what action Z did last night and that was bench worthy. Cronin did say he wants accountability and followed through on a unforced error.

Aside from that terrible mistake, I have liked Z's game. It seems like he's one of the few who listened to Cronin when he said he wants more pucks on net. Despite the lack of production, he is meshing well with others on the ice save Terry. And Z's Corsi is top-3 on the team right now. I'm not worried about Z's psyche to bounce back like I am about Terry's psyche.

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

I mean I don't think he's wrong. He wasn't playing great up to his standards but is one bad shift worth of a benching over repeated minor penalties that guys like Gudas, Mac and Vatrano have taken? I don't know if there was anything more that happened off ice, he's clearly frustrated that he's not putting up points. He's easily been our best player not named Mintyukov this season.

Dostal would like a word. Winning record with .929 SV% and 2.5 GSAA in just three games is nothing to sneeze at.

Could see him continue to get as many starts as Gibson or even more moving forward if he keeps that up.

 

[ADHB]

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

As someone who has always been on Team Zegras Is Overrated, I wouldn't mind if the fan base turned on him a little bit. Maybe not run him out of town but treat him like the complementary player he is and not act like the Ducks are crazy for not wanting to pay him like a star.

Gotta be honest, wanting fans to turn on him even a little bit feels pretty icky to me

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Gotta be honest, wanting fans to turn on him even a little bit feels pretty icky to me

Fans, opposing and Ducks fans alike, are always ready to turn on this kid.

 

[slippingsloth]

Fans, opposing and Ducks fans alike, are always ready to turn on this kid.

Yeah. Screw that.

Lets go Z. Take the message, learn from it. Hell we waived henrique before he took it seriously

 

[LuGBuG]

As someone who has always been on Team Zegras Is Overrated, I wouldn't mind if the fan base turned on him a little bit. Maybe not run him out of town but treat him like the complementary player he is and not act like the Ducks are crazy for not wanting to pay him like a star.

What a strange thing to want to happen. Why wouldn’t you want him to turn out to be the best he can possibly be?

 

[Mr Rogers]

people are very hard on him, but he’s an easy target when he’s not putting up big numbers. If/when he starts doing that, they’ll all shut up or reverse course.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Yeah. Screw that.

Lets go Z. Take the message, learn from it. Hell we waived henrique before he took it seriously

Henrique could still care less lmao

I'm fine with this. There is no I in team... Z needs to grow the duck up and learn from this. Eakins was to easy on them.

 

[anezthes]

Seems to me the hammer of justice isn't very just. If it were, Terry would've been benched a long time ago.

 

[mightyquack]

Having a coach hold Zegras (and other players) to account will only be beneficial to Zegras (and our other young players). Going to be an adjustment from the free reign Eakins gave them that's for sure.

 

[KelVarnsen]

Seems to me the hammer of justice isn't very just. If it were, Terry would've been benched a long time ago.

Agreed. Terry has been just as bad with his hero puck hogging. Cronin probably should have benched both of them if he was being fair in the dolling out of punishment.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Having a coach hold Zegras (and other players) to account will only be beneficial to Zegras (and our other young players). Going to be an adjustment from the free rein Eakins gave them that's for sure.

Eakins, uncle Dallas left his mark to some ducks who love them the bohemian life style. Cronin the barbarian is here now, no free lunch.

 

[Arthuros]

IMO this has been way overblown because it's Zegras.

I think Trevor (despite what people think about his ego) will be able to take this in stride. Terry should be watching out next.

Another thought (which I think is obvious), if Cronin had unbenched him to get the tying goal or in OT, he would have lost way more credibility in my eyes.

 

[70sSanO]

I have my doubts Cronin benched Zegras an entire period merely for playing poorly.

It is crazy talk to even suggest that is a normal recourse for having a really bad game.

If that were the case, we would barely have enough players left for the second period the way we played last year.

John

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Having a coach hold Zegras (and other players) to account will only be beneficial to Zegras (and our other young players). Going to be an adjustment from the free reign Eakins gave them that's for sure.

You do know that Zegras has been benched in-game by Eakins before for terrible play, right? In fact, Eakins has done that to Comtois and McTavish too. Comtois was made a healthy scratch for poor practice performances. Eakins sent Terry down to the AHL b/c he wasn't producing at the NHL level. Hell, Eakins waived Rico to wake Rico up.

Cronin's style is more regimented than Eakins, but both do hold players accountable.

 

[HanSolo]

Jack Eichel - 18:46
Chandler Stephenson - 19:01
William Karlsson - 17:28

That's the time on ice for Vegas's top three centers last season. Would you consider William Karlsson as 3C a huge waste? The Ducks would find ways to get their guys playing time.

In fairness, Karlsson is used as a defensive specialist first. Secondary scoring is a beneficial bonus.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I have my doubts Cronin benched Zegras an entire period merely for playing poorly.

It is crazy talk to even suggest that is a normal recourse for having a really bad game.

If that were the case, we would barely have enough players left for the second period the way we played last year.

John

I don’t think he was benched for playing poorly. I think he was benched for playing recklessly and making stupid decisions. There’s a big difference between trying to do what the coaches want and not succeeding vs completely ignoring what the coaches want and not succeeding.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

I have my doubts Cronin benched Zegras an entire period merely for playing poorly.

It is crazy talk to even suggest that is a normal recourse for having a really bad game.

If that were the case, we would barely have enough players left for the second period the way we played last year.

John

TBF Zegras isn't supposed to be a normal player for us, for better or worse. He should be getting held to a different standard.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

TBF Zegras isn't supposed to be a normal player for us, for better or worse. He should be getting held to a different standard.

He also seems trainable, plus he's not a veteran where doing something like this would be more of a nuclear option.

Not saying I necessarily agree with singling him out but I don't think it's crazy either.

 

[ADHB]

I don’t think he was benched for playing poorly. I think he was benched for playing recklessly and making stupid decisions. There’s a big difference between trying to do what the coaches want and not succeeding vs completely ignoring what the coaches want and not succeeding.

Agree. There's a difference between his play the other day and Terry. Terry's mistakes have come from overthinking and trying to do too much. Zegras was straight up careless and lazy.

 

[70sSanO]

While it is just my opinion, I get the feeling that it went…

You wanted me to be more defensive so I didn’t shoot.

You wanted me to shoot more so I threw a bunch of low percentage shots at the goalie.

You said you want more passes so I didn’t hold onto the puck.

Anyone who has had kids has experience this type of response even though they know the real intent of what you want.

John

 

[JAHV]

In fairness, Karlsson is used as a defensive specialist first. Secondary scoring is a beneficial bonus.

He put up 53 points last year. I'd be fine if McTavish were employed as a defensive specialist and scored 53 points per season with 17 minutes of TOI per night.