Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III

[Hockey Duckie]

Z-Carlsson-Terry could be the best line the Ducks have iced in like 8 years.
As long as they are playing well why break it up?

Literally 2 games ago they were the best line on the ice by far.

Just in case some forgot...

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[Sean Garrity]

I still think Mac and Z are skilled enough and good enough to be effective at wing but both have looked better at Center so far in their very young careers. Could just simply be a trial and error, because Carlsson is the #1 center moving forward lol.

 

[70sSanO]

It’s going to be a tough year for Trevor.

And a couple of teenagers, Leo and Minty, are not making his life any easier with their work ethic and play.

John

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Not getting in camp at the start was a massive mistake. He and Terry need to be split both hold onto the puck to much can't have 2 of those guys on 1 line. Get him with McTavish

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

It’s going to be a tough year for Trevor.

And a couple of teenagers, Leo and Minty, are not making his life any easier with their work ethic and play.

John

How so? He severely needs discipline in his game.

Leo and Mintyukov both had the benefit of structure in their coaching. Eakins was way too relaxed

 

[70sSanO]

How so? He severely needs discipline in his game.

Leo and Mintyukov both had the benefit of structure in their coaching. Eakins was way too relaxed

Both Carlsson and Mintyukov have only played a handful of games and both are more responsible. Plus they are 18 and 19 respectfully.

Blaming Eakins for Zegras’ being undisciplined, at an older age and with more NHL experience is pretty far fetched. Especially for someone who wants to be the franchise player and get paid like one.

As much fun as Zegras can be, I think he needs to leave his dodge ball persona behind and get serious in his role on the team.

John

 

[ohcomeonref]

Massive disappointment 5 games in.

 

[snowave]

Yep, he's just still so immature and undisciplined, and he's looked pretty bad so far. I know it's super early and he missed a lot of camp, but for the first time ever, it crossed my mind he might not grow out of it, and could become a major detriment to his overall improvement. I hope to God that's not the case.

 

[Leonardo87]

Massive disappointment 5 games in.

I think this whole "Game management" thing is hurting both Z and Terry. They should be playing with Leo more games and getting the reps in to build chemistry. Rico has not helped their case either.

 

[ScarTroy]

I think this whole "Game management" thing is hurting both Z and Terry. They should be playing with Leo more games and getting the reps in to build chemistry. Rico has not helped their case either.

While I agree, it’s clear Zegras wants to get paid to be the guy in 3 years, so he’s gotta prove he can do that without the help of a rookie. If he can only be a complimentary player, then he needs to realize that’s what his paycheck should also reflect down the line.

With that said I think he’ll tap into to what was working for him last year and build upon that, maybe he just needs some Carlsson to get his mojo back, then can anchor his own line.

 

[Leonardo87]

While I agree, it’s clear Zegras wants to get paid to be the guy in 3 years, so he’s gotta prove he can do that without the help of a rookie. If he can only be a complimentary player, then he needs to realize that’s what his paycheck should also reflect down the line.

With that said I think he’ll tap into to what was working for him last year and build upon that, maybe he just needs some Carlsson to get his mojo back, then can anchor his own line.

I still think Z and Terry should be separated. Even if this means if Zegras is at 3C, since I wouldn't break up the 2nd line now.

 

[Rybread86]

Both Carlsson and Mintyukov have only played a handful of games and both are more responsible. Plus they are 18 and 19 respectfully.

Blaming Eakins for Zegras’ being undisciplined, at an older age and with more NHL experience is pretty far fetched. Especially for someone who wants to be the franchise player and get paid like one.

As much fun as Zegras can be, I think he needs to leave his dodge ball persona behind and get serious in his role on the team.

John

I agree with a lot of this but I dont think it has anything to do with his persona. I dont see a kid who is flippant about his role or the seriousness of the game. I just think hes a young kid, trying to learn a new system and new role. Season is very young and Ill bet Crones (Maybe not the best nickname) is working with him and sending messages as well.

I think this whole "Game management" thing is hurting both Z and Terry. They should be playing with Leo more games and getting the reps in to build chemistry. Rico has not helped their case either.

I agree that Carlsson not being in the lineup is hurting that top line a bit, but this is the maturation process for a team. All individuals are at different points of their development and you have to take an individualistic approach sometimes even if it hurts a bit.

Rico is good, but man, he is not cut out for that first line. He doesnt have the speed or playmaking ability to be a 1C. At least not with Z and T.

 

[Rybread86]

I still think Z and Terry should be separated. Even if this means if Zegras is at 3C, since I wouldn't break up the 2nd line now.

On days where Carlsson is out. I would break up the 2nd line.

Z-Mac-T
Vats-Rico-Strome

And thats subject to change as we get healthier

 

[Leonardo87]

I agree that Carlsson not being in the lineup is hurting that top line a bit, but this is the maturation process for a team. All individuals are at different points of their development and you have to take an individualistic approach sometimes even if it hurts a bit.

Rico is good, but man, he is not cut out for that first line. He doesnt have the speed or playmaking ability to be a 1C. At least not with Z and T.

I don't think the issue is Leo being out, it's Zegras and Terry being together. They both want the puck, and it's too many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

I think Zegras is (or will become) a good enough player to overcome this, but the other frustrating thing about Leo sitting is that I feel like it will be harder for the line to build chemistry

 

[Leonardo87]

I think Zegras is (or will become) a good enough player to overcome this, but the other frustrating thing about Leo sitting is that I feel like it will be harder for the line to build chemistry

Also will have Killorn coming back soon that will really help the Top 6 gain some momentum, imo.

 

[Rybread86]

I don't think the issue is Leo being out, it's Zegras and Terry being together. They both want the puck, and it's too many cooks in the kitchen.

Maybe, but Leo brings balance to that 1st line. He might also provide some reassurance to to the guys so they arent trying to make up for a lack of speed/talent.

Either way, with where we are at in the season and given the new structure and system, I dont think its a bad thing to throw the lines in a blender and really test some things out.

 

[MMC]

Lmao wtf

 

[Rybread86]

Lmao wtf

If Zegras is getting treated a certain way by 2 different head coaches, maybe the problem is, I dunno, with Zegras?

 

[Leonardo87]

Lmao wtf

He’s been hanging around Felix too long. Lol

 

[JAHV]

Lmao wtf

I don't really understand this take either. Without knowing what Cronin benched Zegras for (his awful shift or running his mouth or something else or a combination of all the above), we can't say whether there's a double standard.

 

[Deuce22]

Lmao wtf

Rudolph is a Zegras apologist, doesn't understand the difference between taking a penalty and carelessly turning the puck over twice on the same PP. I love Z, but that can't be allowed. It's just highlight hot dog stuff.

 

[KyleJRM]

As someone who has always been on Team Zegras Is Overrated, I wouldn't mind if the fan base turned on him a little bit. Maybe not run him out of town but treat him like the complementary player he is and not act like the Ducks are crazy for not wanting to pay him like a star.

 

[Kalv]

Rudolph is a Zegras apologist, doesn't understand the difference between taking a penalty and carelessly turning the puck over twice on the same PP. I love Z, but that can't be allowed. It's just highlight hot dog stuff.

I didn't see those plays, but I wonder if Z's carelessness was on purpose - was there something between him and Cronin before? Or was it an honest mistake.

 

[Deuce22]

As someone who has always been on Team Zegras Is Overrated, I wouldn't mind if the fan base turned on him a little bit. Maybe not run him out of town but treat him like the complementary player he is and not act like the Ducks are crazy for not wanting to pay him like a star.

I've never gotten the feeling that Verbeek views him like the majority of the fanbase does.

I didn't see those plays, but I wonder if Z's carelessness was on purpose - was there something between him and Cronin before? Or was it an honest mistake.

I just though he was trying to make the no look, spectacular pass when the simple play would do. Didn't see it as anything more than poor decisions.