Trevor Timmins Part II

[montreal]

I don't think it's all that unpopular. He's had too many home runs in the later rounds and not enough in the earlier ones. Still living off 2007 which was fantastic but yet to be repeated.

He's drafted the best player in the NHL in the 1st, only 3 players since the lockout have scored more goals then another guy he drafted in the 1st round. Galchenyuk looks like he's going to be a stud. Beaulieu is an decent bottom pairing D, Chipchura despite his injuries was a decent 4th liner, Kositsyn if picked in an average year would have been a solid pick. Juulsen, Scherbak, McCarron, Sergachev all will play in the NHL at some point. He's had some misses, mostly with Fischer and Leblanc being his worst but in the end when you look at guys picked outside the top 10, 15, 20, he has done a solid job.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

He's drafted the best player in the NHL in the 1st, only 3 players since the lockout have scored more goals then another guy he drafted in the 1st round. Galchenyuk looks like he's going to be a stud. Beaulieu is an decent bottom pairing D, Chipchura despite his injuries was a decent 4th liner, Kositsyn if picked in an average year would have been a solid pick. Juulsen, Scherbak, McCarron, Sergachev all will play in the NHL at some point. He's had some misses, mostly with Fischer and Leblanc being his worst but in the end when you look at guys picked outside the top 10, 15, 20, he has done a solid job.

Hell even with Leblanc, he was a legit prospect and was picked where he was projected. The only reach Timmins has ever made was when he picked Fischer. Some should have a look at how the Stars have been drafting the last few years, going for the boom/bust prospect might be sexier but if your prospect bombs, you're left with a big hole.

 

[Chili]

Hell even with Leblanc, he was a legit prospect and was picked where he was projected. The only reach Timmins has ever made was when he picked Fischer. Some should have a look at how the Stars have been drafting the last few years, going for the boom/bust prospect might be sexier but if your prospect bombs, you're left with a big hole.

Stars recent record in the first round is awful. But if you want to evaluate them objectively, look beyond the 1st round.

I'm working on an analysis now but it looks like at least 1 in 3 players drafted who will end up playing 250+ games are drafted AFTER the first 60 picks.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well written article showing the % of how many draft picks TT had vs how many NHL games the players played.

https://habsterix.com/2016/12/26/demistifying-the-work-of-trevor-timmins/

 

[montreal]

Well written article showing the % of how many draft picks TT had vs how many NHL games the players played.

https://habsterix.com/2016/12/26/demistifying-the-work-of-trevor-timmins/

thanks, interesting article, well done and makes the point I have been trying to make. Less picks and lower, you have to expect less from Timmins and his staff.

Really liked the part,

It looks like the Canadiens have drafted players who have actually made an NHL career in comparison to other teams, doesn’t it? But finally, for a more complete assessment of the work done by each team, let’s take the average of the number of games played by the players drafted by each team, divided by the number of draft picks they have taken overall.

1.Montreal Canadiens 85.53

 

[pepperMonkey]

Well written article showing the % of how many draft picks TT had vs how many NHL games the players played.

https://habsterix.com/2016/12/26/demistifying-the-work-of-trevor-timmins/

Overated! Time for a new head scout

 

[otto bond]

Quantity vs quality...
I have no doubt in my mind that TT is drafting NHL players but no real center drafted in years....yes Galchenyuk is a center but a top 3 pick.

 

[montreal]

With Scherbak making his NHL debut, Timmins now has 40 draft picks appear in the NHL. Too bad Chipchura left the NHL for the KHL and the rumor of Kostitsyn returning to the NHL didn't happen as they could have every 1st round pick of Timmins appear in the NHL this year aside from Fischer, Leblanc and Juulsen assuming Tinordi gets a call up at some point once the Yotes sell off some players later this year.

 

[DAChampion]

Too bad Chipchura left the NHL for the KHL and the rumor of Kostitsyn returning to the NHL didn't happen as they could have every 1st round pick of Timmins appear in the NHL this year aside from Fischer, Leblanc and Juulsen assuming Tinordi gets a call up at some point once the Yotes sell off some players later this year.

This sentence is a bit of a stretch.

That said, it was a good night for Timmins.

 

[Sorinth]

Quantity vs quality...
I have no doubt in my mind that TT is drafting NHL players but no real center drafted in years....yes Galchenyuk is a center but a top 3 pick.

Well from 2003-2012 (10 drafts) he's drafted 5 players who are top-10 in there draft class for points.

Granted points isn't necessarily the greatest measure of quality, but getting one of the 10 best scorers available every 2 years seems like we are nailing the quality side of things, especially since it doesn't include 2 of Timmins' better picks, namely Price and McDonagh.

 

[DAChampion]

This is looking to be an outstanding year for the progression of Timmins draftees.

 

[jfm133]

Timmins is one of the best. It was obvious before, but it will become even more in the coming years. When he is given the We also see that Lefebvre is doing a good development job. Fans often lack the necessary patience. By chance, Bergevin is a patient man that can resist outside pressure for coach firing and silly short term trades. Our organigram is very solid from top to bottom. Those who hate them are in for a long ride.

 

[Whitesnake]

Most teams have 40 draftees and more. What needs to be done after that is to compare number of picks vs number of players that played at least 1 game. And still....you still need to see quality over quantity. Naatinen, Carle, Locke, Flood for us made no impact just like tons of other playrs from other teams. So I don't think that's how you need to see things especially since, again, even Calgary had 39 draftees the reaches the NHL, Ducks has 42, Boston etc. The worst seemed to be Vancouver with 31. And Vancouver has had abysmal drafting. Timmins has been very good.

 

[Chili]

Serious question because some of you follow this closely.

It's nice to see McCarron and Scherbak progressing but beyond that...

Are there other forward prospects who are close to helping the Habs or is the cupboard pretty bare?

 

[DAChampion]

Serious question because some of you follow this closely.

It's nice to see McCarron and Scherbak progressing but beyond that...

Are there other forward prospects who are close to helping the Habs or is the cupboard pretty bare?

Lehkonen is an impressive rookie.

This forum also has a range of opinions on Andrighetto, Hudon, De La Rose, and Reway.

 

[Puck Luck Run Amok]

On TT..... In recent years his picks aren't and really can't be construed as anything other than below average. The misses in the 2nd, 3rd rounds (Fucale, DLR) and absolute blindness towards talent in the Q are befuddling and it just seems like the Organisation is intent on drafting safe depth players over going after anything tangible.

Can you get burned going after skill? Yes, that's why (like the Leafs did) you should put MONEY into R&D (did you know the Leafs have more in their scouting staff than the Habs do in their ENTIRE front office?). You evaluate (like MB likes to emphasize) character AND talent and that costs lots of time, which obviously costs a ton of payroll. This is my 2nd biggest gripe with the Org after the ethno-centric, extremely bigoted coach hiring practices... the fact is this team is the 2nd most valuable in the NHL yet spends more effort on tourism traps and condo's than re-building the brand. In the end, I don't necessarily blame Timmins on the Draft, I think it's pedestrian management staff and a miser owner (the term must be put in context with his company and this team's economic power vs other owners like Melnyk who just don't have the cash flow) who should bear this boards vitriol.

Lehkonen is an impressive rookie.

This forum also has a range of opinions on Andrighetto, Hudon, De La Rose, and Reway.

Lehkonen is inconsistent. At times he looks like a great 2nd-3rd line scoring winger and at other times he looks like a fringe NHLr. We'll see what he becomes.

Ghetto's a depth player who doesn't bring much to the table

Hudon more like who knows. We'll only find out what he's got in another organisation because he's clearly not wanted here.

DLR is a bust

Reway has a serious heart condition and likely won't play hockey again.

 

[Habs100]

Lehkonen is inconsistent. At times he looks like a great 2nd-3rd line scoring winger and at other times he looks like a fringe NHLr. We'll see what he becomes.

Ghetto's a depth player who doesn't bring much to the table

Hudon more like who knows. We'll only find out what he's got in another organisation because he's clearly not wanted here.

DLR is a bust

Reway has a serious heart condition and likely won't play hockey again.

I don't think we can call the cupboard bare. It does bears 10 players with a shot at being NHLers:

Lehkonen
Scherbak
McCarron
Hudon
Reway
Ghetto
Addison
Bitten
De La Rose
Audette

 

[Treb]

Lehkonen is inconsistent. At times he looks like a great 2nd-3rd line scoring winger and at other times he looks like a fringe NHLr. We'll see what he becomes.

You can say that of every non-generational prospect ever. Even Galchenyuk had rougher night. Lehkonen has been exceeding expectations.

Ghetto's a depth player who doesn't bring much to the table

He brings depth scoring, but is buried in our depth. Needs to play with creative players to be at his best.

Hudon more like who knows. We'll only find out what he's got in another organisation because he's clearly not wanted here.

1. That's just speculation.
2. That doesn't mean anything drafting wise.

DLR is a bust

This isn't how bottom six player is spelled.

Reway has a serious heart condition and likely won't play hockey again.

Again speculation and doesn't mean anything drafting wise.

 

[Chili]

Lehkonen is an impressive rookie.

This forum also has a range of opinions on Andrighetto, Hudon, De La Rose, and Reway.

One of the reasons I ask is because if the Habs make a trade here before the deadline, someone like Lekhonen or Scherbak could be on the move. (I don't see them trading McCarron).

Ghetto, Hudon and De La Rose all have a ways to go from what I have seen if they are ever to become NHL players.

I believe all three are in the last year of their entry deals so we'll see who they still believe in.

 

[Puck Luck Run Amok]

You can say that of every non-generational prospect ever. Even Galchenyuk had rougher night. Lehkonen has been exceeding expectations.

He has 10 points in 31 games, on pace for 26 points/82 games... The only plus being his goal to assist ratio but still.. that's a low bar. I've said it before; Lehkonen is a future 3rd line winger.

He brings depth scoring, but is buried in our depth. Needs to play with creative players to be at his best.

He wouldn't play on any Top-6 in the league aside from maybe Arizona or Colorado. Heck, even the Leafs would've probably buried him in the minors.

1. That's just speculation.
2. That doesn't mean anything drafting wise.

Speculation? The man has torn apart the AHL and has yet to get a shot playing Top-6 in 2+ seasons... Read the tea leaves.

This isn't how bottom six player is spelled.

He was supposed to be this unbelievable defensive player and yet there's no statistical proof that he's anything more than a depth AHL forward.

Again speculation and doesn't mean anything drafting wise.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...ion-team-slovakia-national-team-prospect-news

"When asked if Slovakia’s young star was ever coming back to the ice, Ciger finished with: “I don't know. We'll see.â€"

So facts are speculative? I feel awful for the kid but he has a serious heart illness and is lucky to be alive given the reports.

 

[Puck Luck Run Amok]

I don't think we can call the cupboard bare. It does bears 10 players with a shot at being NHLers:

Lehkonen
Scherbak
McCarron
Hudon
Reway
Ghetto
Addison
Bitten
De La Rose
Audette

I agree with Lehkonen, Scherbak (still needs a lot of work) and McCarron. Ghetto and Huden have outside shots, the rest have almost no chance of becoming consistent NHL players.

Ghetto only has a shot because of expansion.

 

[jfm133]

DLR is a bust

A 21 years old bust on a very good sequence in the AHL. Yeah, sure...

The level here is often incredibly low. Some were laughing at Leafs fans comments made on their board yesterday after the game, some Habs fans are not much better or it's pure trolling.

 

[Sorinth]

Lehkonen is inconsistent. At times he looks like a great 2nd-3rd line scoring winger and at other times he looks like a fringe NHLr. We'll see what he becomes.

Ghetto's a depth player who doesn't bring much to the table

Hudon more like who knows. We'll only find out what he's got in another organisation because he's clearly not wanted here.

DLR is a bust

Reway has a serious heart condition and likely won't play hockey again.

You're telling me a rookie playing his first season in N.A has some inconsistencies? Shocking

Every one of those players we don't know how it will turn out. Byron was a small depth player who didn't bring much to the table for Calgary but seems to have put it together at 27. Maybe we should wait a bit before calling guys busts.

 

[Treb]

He has 10 points in 31 games, on pace for 26 points/82 games... The only plus being his goal to assist ratio but still.. that's a low bar. I've said it before; Lehkonen is a future 3rd line winger.

So you are saying he already peaked? 26 pts/year is good for a third liner and he gets that in his rookie season.

He wouldn't play on any Top-6 in the league aside from maybe Arizona or Colorado. Heck, even the Leafs would've probably buried him in the minors.

By depth scoring I meant bottom 6. I believe he can play on a third line and provide some offence. He has a 0.34 career ppg, which would translate to 28 points by 82 games.

Speculation? The man has torn apart the AHL and has yet to get a shot playing Top-6 in 2+ seasons... Read the tea leaves.

The guy is also only 22. At camp, he didn't play well enough to earn a spot. This year, when the opportunity came by, he was/got injured. He's also a LW, so unless two of Pacioretty, Lehkonen and Byron are injured, he won't see top 6 time.

He was supposed to be this unbelievable defensive player and yet there's no statistical proof that he's anything more than a depth AHL forward.

He was doing fine on the defensive side at 19 years old in the NHL.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2...ion-team-slovakia-national-team-prospect-news

"When asked if Slovakia’s young star was ever coming back to the ice, Ciger finished with: “I don't know. We'll see.â€"

So facts are speculative? I feel awful for the kid but he has a serious heart illness and is lucky to be alive given the reports.

I am aware of his disease. As for the bolded part, this is not facts, this is speculation from Ciger. He may play again, he may not. There's no likely, just maybe.

 

[Legend123]

look at rask of the canes, young players start slow and improve each year. Hopefully, Lehkonen does the same. I could throw a bunch of other names but u get my point.