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Shuffle up the lines again. We need to try some new things in that bottom 6. I think spreading the wealth between the middle six would help. G has had great chemistry with both Pinto and Greig in the past. Let’s see if he can spark them.

Ostapchuk on line two is just to get a hard working north south guy with wheels to work for the other two whose physical engagement is inconsistent.

Fourth line is simple, wouldn’t be against sitting Amadio for Rhino to send a message.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Gaudette
Ostapchuk-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Giroux
Cousins-Gregor-Amadio

On D the best pair this year has been Chabot-Jensen. Get that back together.

Then get Hamonic away from Sanderson. JBD hasn’t grabbed the bull by the horns but I’ve seen enough of 85-23 to know I want to try something else.

If Kleven doesn’t have a good physical game against Detroit give him a chance to watch a game from the press box and give Sebrango a shot at home against Nashville.

Chabot-Jensen
Sanderson-JBD
Kleven-Hamonic
 
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Bileur said:
Shuffle up the lines again. We need to try some new things in that bottom 6. I think spreading the wealth between the middle six would help.

Ostapchuk on line two is just to get a hard working north south guy with wheels to work for the other two whose physical engagement is inconsistent.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Gaudette
Ostapchuk-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Giroux
Cousins-Gregor-Amadio

On D the best pair this year has been Chabot-Jensen. Get that back together.

Then get Hamonic away from Sanderson. JBD hasn’t grabbed the bull by the horns but I’ve seen enough of 85-23 to know I want to try something else.

If Kleven doesn’t have a good physical game against Detroit give him a chance to watch a game from the press box and give Sebrango a shot at home against Nashville.

Chabot-Jensen
Sanderson-JBD
Kleven-Hamonic
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I like all of this, agreed. I’ve been thinking they should throw Ostapchuk with Norris and Batherson, I think they might fit nicely.

Chabot and Jensen were back together last night btw.
 
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Seeing Rick Tocchet bragging about how detailed and committed his players are, and you just close the feed and stare blankly
 
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LevelingSolo said:
He was interested in the job too as was Julien

It was definitely a money decision
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I think if it was a money decision it came from the logic of not wanting to spend a large amount of money on a coach when they felt like the roster might need to be tweaked with.

You don't build a roster around a coach, you hire the right coach for your group of players, and when that group of players isn't really solidified, then it makes sense to go with a guy who is cheaper, expendable, but still able to teach some key players new lessons that they could take moving forward.

I think it's more that they felt Green is an intelligent, defensive-minded coach who felt like he has something to prove, and therefore be a good match for this roster who they were hoping also felt like they had something to prove this year, and also need to learn how to defend better.
 
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Bileur said:
Shuffle up the lines again. We need to try some new things in that bottom 6. I think spreading the wealth between the middle six would help. G has had great chemistry with both Pinto and Greig in the past. Let’s see if he can spark them.

Ostapchuk on line two is just to get a hard working north south guy with wheels to work for the other two whose physical engagement is inconsistent.

Fourth line is simple, wouldn’t be against sitting Amadio for Rhino to send a message.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Gaudette
Ostapchuk-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Giroux
Cousins-Gregor-Amadio

On D the best pair this year has been Chabot-Jensen. Get that back together.

Then get Hamonic away from Sanderson. JBD hasn’t grabbed the bull by the horns but I’ve seen enough of 85-23 to know I want to try something else.

If Kleven doesn’t have a good physical game against Detroit give him a chance to watch a game from the press box and give Sebrango a shot at home against Nashville.

Chabot-Jensen
Sanderson-JBD
Kleven-Hamonic
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Aren’t the top two lines finally looking good?
Leave that alone. F with the bottom if you want but let’s stick with what works and start building something consistent.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Giroux-Stutzle-Gaudette
 
Icelevel said:
Aren’t the top two lines finally looking good?
Leave that alone. F with the bottom if you want but let’s stick with what works and start building something consistent.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Giroux-Stutzle-Gaudette
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I missed most of the Ducks game but I thought Norris and G have been largely invisible lately.

Either way we need far more from Pinto and need to get him going.

Can’t do that rehashing all the lower calibre options in the bottom six IMO.
 
Bileur said:
I missed most of the Ducks game but I thought Norris and G have been largely invisible lately.

Either way we need far more from Pinto and need to get him going.

Can’t do that rehashing all the lower calibre options in the bottom six IMO.
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Norris had a very good game. Defensively especially. They’ve all been playing well since together.

Yes pinto needs a boost. But don’t sacrifice progress for it. That’s Dorion method.

Greig/Gregor-Pinto-Amadio/Cousins can figure it out.
 
Bileur said:
I missed most of the Ducks game but I thought Norris and G have been largely invisible lately.

Either way we need far more from Pinto and need to get him going.

Can’t do that rehashing all the lower calibre options in the bottom six IMO.
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Norris is one of the guys you don’t really notice unless he’s on the score sheet. Reminds me of Bobby Ryan in that sense. Guys you pay 8m you’d like to have an impact in more dimensions. One of our biggest problems is we have a lot of forwards like that.
 
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Icelevel said:
Norris had a very good game. Defensively especially. They’ve all been playing well since together.

Yes pinto needs a boost. But don’t sacrifice progress for it. That’s Dorion method.

Greig/Gregor-Pinto-Amadio/Cousins can figure it out.
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I’d argue that having very good games and playing well but not producing or getting results is the Dorion method.

We need points yesterday, both in the standings and in terms of production. We can’t treat our multimillion dollar top 9 forwards like rookies on an ELC and hope for development.
 


He’s right there are players who have enough skill to control a game. Sanderson is not one of them right now
 
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Burrowsaurus said:


He’s right there are players who have enough skill to control a game. Sanderson is not one of them right now
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He was controlling the game early in the season, not as much after about 5 games in,


Here's an interesting stat about him this year;

Among the 192 D with 200 plus mins 5v5
Sanderson has the 4th worst PDO (on ice sv% + on ice sh%)
 
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Micklebot said:
He was controlling the game early in the season, not as much after about 5 games in,


Here's an interesting stat about him this year;

Among the 192 D with 200 plus mins 5v5
Sanderson has the 4th worst PDO (on ice sv% + on ice sh%)
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At 5 v5 he was still lacking. Him and sub as a pairing can do some. Very very nice work. But Sanderson isn’t taking over shifts in the offensive zone.
 
Micklebot said:
He was controlling the game early in the season, not as much after about 5 games in,


Here's an interesting stat about him this year;

Among the 192 D with 200 plus mins 5v5
Sanderson has the 4th worst PDO (on ice sv% + on ice sh%)
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So many individual and team stats completely pointed in the wrong direction.
 
Tuna99 said:
So many individual and team stats completely pointed in the wrong direction.
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Well, PDO is know as the "Luck" stat since it typically has very little to do with an individual skater's level of play. A good chunk of it is our goalies struggling, but I do find the on ice sh% odd, since the chances are there when he's on the ice.
 
DylanSensFan said:
We need another NHL level RH D on this roster.
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Entire right side needs major work, need a RW for the top line and even the depth lines. Amadio, Perron, Jensen, Gaudette are all right shots and part of the heavy lifting SS did this summer but the right side of the entire lineup still needs lots of help.
 
BigRig4 said:
Norris is one of the guys you don’t really notice unless he’s on the score sheet. Reminds me of Bobby Ryan in that sense. Guys you pay 8m you’d like to have an impact in more dimensions. One of our biggest problems is we have a lot of forwards like that.
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Bobby Ryan is a great Norris comparison. They even look kind of similar.
 
UglyPuckling said:
Umm, OK? We are .458 and 2nd from the cellar in the Eastern Conf playoff race.
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Our issue is more costly breakdowns rather than inability to play solid D or offense.

This isn't a new trend, it was there before Green's time, I think the play between breakdowns is better, the problem as I see it is we've shifted to low event hockey, which means that if/when a breakdown happens, it's more likely to be pivotal to the outcome of a game.

All that said;

I'm not sure you can blame Green for Pinto pacing at 15 pts, or whatever it is.
I'm not sure you can blame Green for Ullmark not playing up to reputation.
I'm not sure you can blame Green for Sanderson going from ~51%GF 5v5 last year to 27% this year.

None of those imo are coaching issues so far as I can tell, but are likely the difference between us being in a playoff spot right now and where we actually are.

There are some things I'd like Green to do differently, try JBD with Sanderson, maybe give one of Norris or Pinto a look on the wing instead of always Greig, or be willing to run with the hot goalie a little more when Ullmark was struggling, but imo the biggest hinderances to our success this year have been outside of what a coach can really influence. Doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, just that you can only control so much.
 
Micklebot said:
Our issue is more costly breakdowns rather than inability to play solid D or offense.

This isn't a new trend, it was there before Green's time, I think the play between breakdowns is better, the problem as I see it is we've shifted to low event hockey, which means that if/when a breakdown happens, it's more likely to be pivotal to the outcome of a game.

All that said;

I'm not sure you can blame Green for Pinto pacing at 15 pts, or whatever it is.
I'm not sure you can blame Green for Ullmark not playing up to reputation.
I'm not sure you can blame Green for Sanderson going from ~51%GF 5v5 last year to 27% this year.

None of those imo are coaching issues so far as I can tell, but are likely the difference between us being in a playoff spot right now and where we actually are.

There are some things I'd like Green to do differently, try JBD with Sanderson, maybe give one of Norris or Pinto a look on the wing instead of always Greig, or be willing to run with the hot goalie a little more when Ullmark was struggling, but imo the biggest hinderances to our success this year have been outside of what a coach can really influence. Doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, just that you can only control so much.
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I think Green can do more, if John Torterella was coaching this team I don’t think we’d see the team continually be loose in the neutral zones and the lines.

no confidence in the players either, maybe only Timmy looks confident. Brady looks miserable, Ullmark is talking about Goldfish - not a group of go getters.

Not feeling confident.
 
UglyPuckling said:
Umm, OK? We are .458 and 2nd from the cellar in the Eastern Conf playoff
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Ok. Well that’s definitely true as well. But what else would you like green to do?

He’s coached them to give up very few scoring chances. And to generate a decent (not great) amount of scoring chances.

Green can’t play goalie. Nor can he take over the players to score goals.

If we were 18-3–3 but were getting outshot 40-15 every game and lead the league in giving up scoring chances would you be happier ? I would be happier too. But I certainly wouldn’t say green had done a good job lol
 
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