Boston Bruins Training Camp

[The Hajj]

Lame Duck coach
Marchand wants Geekie
f*** them kids

If Marchand also wants Coyle, that line will challenge the league for the worst second line.

 

[dugg133]

If Marchand also wants Coyle, that line will challenge the league for the worst second line.

It'll be marchand-coyle-geekie, Monty will deploy them as a shutdown line, and they'll get absolutely smoked when we play good teams (like they did last season) but this time they won't have Sway/Ullmark every game to save their ass. It's a recipe for disaster.

 

[DaStinger]

Sweezy been the biggest surprise of camp for me. Glad to see him get through the first cut, he deserves it.

 

[gvkmedia]

Marchand - Coyle - Geekie will be a very good 3rd line. The 2nd line will definitely be Frederic - Poitras - Brazeau.

It won’t take long to establish that.

 

[Carl Hungus]

I think Koepke and Sweezey have played well and deserve the extra look. Merk did 0 for me, it just is what it is.

Bummed Lysell was cut already. Like others have said, he should get at least a look with an NHL line. At the very least it's a free opportunity to see what he can do in that setting, don't know why they wouldn't want that info.

 

[NeelyDan]

Simply a combination of bigger picture implications + player readiness/push

Lots of players don’t crack varsity for a few years after their draft year - one is our captain

 

[CellyHard]

It'll be marchand-coyle-geekie, Monty will deploy them as a shutdown line, and they'll get absolutely smoked when we play good teams (like they did last season) but this time they won't have Sway/Ullmark every game to save their ass. It's a recipe for disaster.

They'll realize it sooner than later.

Its baffling to me that the only regular forward we had last year with a CORSI over 50% was Pasta. With adding Lindholm and bouncing Zacha to the wing, they will be good but we will likely be a one line team.

Poitras looked really good with Frederic and Geekie and they would make a solid 3rd line.

Marchand and Coyle with whoever on the wing (Geekie weakens the 3rd, Tyler Johnson or Brazeau) is just not going to cut it. So many people are trying to spin as if we can pull it off but the numbers last year suggest otherwise.

We need a talent for the 2nd line RW spot and I promise we'll be disputing it heavily within just a few weeks into the season.

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

Marchand - Coyle - Geekie will be a very good 3rd line. The 2nd line will definitely be Frederic - Poitras - Brazeau.

It won’t take long to establish that.

Am I the only one who would like to see Brazeau with Coyle and Marchand? Am I also the only one who thinks Geekie is VERY overrated?

 

[NeelyDan]

Am I the only one who would like to see Brazeau with Coyle and Marchand? Am I also the only one who thinks Geekie is VERY overrated?

Geekie doesn’t do it for me, never has

 

[dugg133]

Geekie doesn’t do it for me, never has

He's a low impact player with a great shot. Tries hard, but ultimately generates very little offense on his own and is a pretty poor defender. Type of guy that is perfectly suited for a third line wing spot next to a playmaker, but a top 6 shutdown role? It's just asking too much from him.

 

[Fenian24]

They overrate Geekie badly. He is a decent 3rd/4th line player but Montgomery puts high value on flexibility. Geekie can kill penalties, play center or wing and not hurt them defensively. He won't provide a lot if offense but will provide enough.

I still want Marchand-Poitras-Frederic as line 2.

 

[Gee Wally]

For me its not who starts the year as much as who finishes the year.

 

[JCRO]

how tf is Osterlee still here?

They’re gaslighting us lmao

They overrate Geekie badly. He is a decent 3rd/4th line player but Montgomery puts high value on flexibility. Geekie can kill penalties, play center or wing and not hurt them defensively. He won't provide a lot if offense but will provide enough.

I still want Marchand-Poitras-Frederic as line 2.

Geekie and Frederic interest me a lot this year.

Both are in contract years and both have steadily improved their offensive production each year.

But yes I agree about Geekie. He was definitely playing in over his head when thrusted into that top 6 wing spot.

 

[Carl Hungus]

In Geekie's defense, he was 4th line on Seattle. I think he was a great value signing and agree 2nd line is not where i'd like to see him. But he's been very solid for us imo

 

[dugg133]

In Geekie's defense, he was 4th line on Seattle. I think he was a great value signing and agree 2nd line is not where i'd like to see him. But he's been very solid for us imo

no one is really hating on geekie as a player, we're just hating on the bruins evaluation of him. They just seem to wildly overrate him in a way I don't really understand.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Heavy on assists when he's supposed to be a goal scorer.

This, like, isn't at all the case. Lysell is sort of like a poor man's Taylor Hall, when Hall was younger. Everyone thought Hall was supposed to be some mad goal scoring reincarnation of Pavel Bure, when he was more just a guy who could transition through the neutral zone in a blink and play off the half wall, mostly passing but also driving at tight angles to cause mayhem.

Thinking about it, I love that comparison. Lysell goes through the NZ like his hair's on fire and plays off the wall basically in isolation. He needs to work on two things - pulling up after making the offensive zone instead of bulling into some monster D looking to kill him, and continuing to refine his passing. He's made a lot of improvement to his passing but you'll still see him occasionally pass to an invisible teammate, which he did endlessly in his one SHL season.

Lysell's shot has improved by leaps and bounds by the year, but he's never going to be a top goal scorer. And no one ever really pegged him to be one, as far as I know.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

It'll be marchand-coyle-geekie, Monty will deploy them as a shutdown line, and they'll get absolutely smoked when we play good teams (like they did last season) but this time they won't have Sway/Ullmark every game to save their ass. It's a recipe for disaster.

Geekie is a bottom 6. 2nd line is disturbing.

They overrate Geekie badly. He is a decent 3rd/4th line player but Montgomery puts high value on flexibility. Geekie can kill penalties, play center or wing and not hurt them defensively. He won't provide a lot if offense but will provide enough.

I still want Marchand-Poitras-Frederic as line 2.

Agrees with all until the end. I believe Frederic is rather similar to Geekie. Extremely limited offensively and only appears in 20% of games. Another strong bottom six option. 2nd line not ideal.

Poitras on the RW with Lysell eliminated is the only hope.

 

[JCRO]

Zacha-Lindholm-Pasta
Marchand-Coyle-Johnson/Geekie
Frederic-Poitras-Geekie/Johnson
Beecher-Kastelic-Jones
Brazeau

yeah idk man I would’ve at least like to have see a full sample size of Lysell instead of settling with the safety blanket.

I am also team keep Poitras in the middle no matter what

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

I liked how Brown played this preseason. Meat and potatoes guy but I thought his forecheck was really good and was hard on the puck.

Lysell wasn't in competition for a 4th line role - he was competing with Poitras, Geekie, Johnson for a middle wing spot on the team. This doesn't close the book on Lysell's potential future ; it's just another roadblock they want him to hurdle over and force his way on to the team. I thought he did enough to at least warrant a longer look and I liked his play a hell of a lot better than Johnson's.

It appears Beecher and Kastelic are locks for two of the 4th line spots and they're still trying to figure out Johnson vs Brazeau vs Brown vs Tufte vs Jones for three of the remaing bottom 9 spots.

Brown should not be a consideration. Terrible NHLer. The 13th can be Tufte for size or if Sweeney truly needs a 5'8 veteran then Johnson is... acceptable.

Cannot imagine they signed Jones only to be the 13th forward as well.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

This, like, isn't at all the case. Lysell is sort of like a poor man's Taylor Hall, when Hall was younger. Everyone thought Hall was supposed to be some mad goal scoring reincarnation of Pavel Bure, when he was more just a guy who could transition through the neutral zone in a blink and play off the half wall, mostly passing but also driving at tight angles to cause mayhem.

Thinking about it, I love that comparison. Lysell goes through the NZ like his hair's on fire and plays off the wall basically in isolation. He needs to work on two things - pulling up after making the offensive zone instead of bulling into some monster D looking to kill him, and continuing to refine his passing. He's made a lot of improvement to his passing but you'll still see him occasionally pass to an invisible teammate, which he did endlessly in his one SHL season.

Lysell's shot has improved by leaps and bounds by the year, but he's never going to be a top goal scorer. And no one ever really pegged him to be one, as far as I know.

I wish I could buy this post 3-4 craft beers and a pretzel.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

a soon to be 24 year old UDFA that can't crack the NHL lineup has no value.

He has very limited value. Maybe some team would take a chance on him instead of taking a 6th round pick in the deal, but basically that is what you are looking at at best.

We saw what value Lauko had, and Lauko is a much more proven and better player

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Brown should not be a consideration. Terrible NHLer. The 13th can be Tufte for size or if Sweeney truly needs a 5'8 veteran then Johnson is... acceptable.

Cannot imagine they signed Jones only to be the 13th forward as well.

I expect that if Jones gets healthy he'll play or at least get chances on that 4th line.

Brown isn't terrible, but he's just a guy; He can fill in for a game here and there and not really hurt you much, but he'll never be more than that

 

[weaponomega]

Lysell is turning into Ryan Spooner 2.0.

Spooner played himself out of the NHL with laziness and a bad attitude despite all the opportunities. That doesn't seem to be Lysell at all.

 

[PlayMakers]

Lysell being cut doesn't surprise me. I wanted him to make it and he might be back up before we know it, but sending him down lets you keep both Johnson and Lysell, and let's be honest, Lysell did not have a can't miss camp. Not like Poitras last year.

He showed flashes, but he also continued to turn the puck over in bad spots. He's obviously more dynamic and creative than Johnson, but he's also higher risk. I also think his drive and motivation wasn't where it needed to be. This is a kid who skated on the Charlie Coyle line on the first day of camp and then went out and played his first pre-season game like he didn't want to be there. That just doesn't fly. Marchand thinks players should treat practice like a tryout so when someone treats an actual tryout like it's an optional skate? Well, I can't imagine that sat well.

Johnson isn't the player he used to be and didn't have the flashes Lysell had, but he didn't have the gaffes either, and he didn't take any days off. He made solid, smart plays regardless of his position or linemates. Plus, when you look at their practice lines, Line 3 is Frederic-Poitras-Johnson and that looks much more stable than having a line with two 20 year olds.

The good news is that Lysell is close. He showed he can, when motivated, make plays at an NHL pace against NHL players. He showed he has top6 play driver potential. He just has to figure out how to play with the rpm's in the red the whole time. Hopefully, getting sent down will light that fire. When Heinen had a great rookie camp and got sent down anyway, he put up 8 points in 4 games and was called right back.

 

[PlayMakers]

Simply a combination of bigger picture implications + player readiness/push

Lots of players don’t crack varsity for a few years after their draft year - one is our captain

I think the roles available are a factor as well.

IMO Lysell does not look ready to play against top lines from a board battle or defensive standpoint. So that leaves 3RW but are you going to put out two 20 years olds on your 3rd line?

I think they looked at some options to move guys around, like Poitras at RW and Frederic at C but honestly Frederic and Poitras look really good together, at LW and C respectively.