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This isn't a bad thought. That said, if Gallant is insistent on keeping the kid line together, he is basically doing so at the detriment of all the other lines. Mika and Kreids don't really have a complimentary offensive winger. Panarin and Tro may or may not work with Kravy who may be playing above his experience and readiness on that line. The kid line is literally the only line right now where all 3 pieces fit really well. What SHOULD happen in that situation is that the Kid Line becomes essentially the first line at ES. They're the best 5v5 line as currently constructed. They do the heavy lifting the other lines can't. They should be getting slightly more than the other lines at 5v5. But they won't. And that's really what's at issue here. You have the kids and 3 half-baked lines and yet you're going to ride the vets who are all on 2-thirds of a line. This strategy doesn't make much sense if the goal isn't to make the kids the defacto first line at 5v5. Even if it's only 1 minute more ice per game. You're robbing peter to pay paul. But then you're not playing paul. It's backwards logic. If Gallant wants to lean on his vets at 5v5, gotta bust the kid line. We don't have enough depth to do that. To me, it's not even a question anymore about sheltering the kids, etc. It's about giving the guys who are going to shoulder the high leverage moments of the game, all the tools they need to succeed. I think Vesey could very well work on that top line. He's likely a decent bandaid. But is it seriously the case that none of Chytil, Laf or Kakko would do better up there and help Mika and Kreids thrive? Maybe. but doubtful that's accurate. I'd be fine moving Laf up there and putting Goody or Vesey on a line with Fil and Kakko.

I have no worries in my mind that Gallant will break up the kids if the veteran pairs struggle. People keep thinking that these lines are set in tableau. And if the thought is that veterans get priority over kids, then it wouldn't be a stretch to think that Gallant would break up the kid line in service of them. He is going to give this configuration a try at the start of the season but will break it up soon as he gets a chance.
 
For entertainment purposes... I sort of want to see Hajek get the 3LD over Jones.

Does Brooksie have an inside take? Do they give Hajek a 'make or break' 20 games similar to Nils last season?

Brooks is a moron.

Jones sole value isn't in running the PP for 20 seconds every time they go on it. He's more valuable as a puck mover at ES.

Not to mention that he's a better defender than Hajek so even if thats the lone measure that they're looking at, theres your answer.
 
I have no worries in my mind that Gallant will break up the kids if the veteran pairs struggle. People keep thinking that these lines are set in tableau. And if the thought is that veterans get priority over kids, then it wouldn't be a stretch to think that Gallant would break up the kid line in service of them.
Gallant breaking up the Kid line will come in the form of one of them getting scratched in lieu of Dryden Hunt
 
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which may actually only be 1 spot, if they carry 13 F's
(you didn't mention Blais, but presume he is top 12 too)

so, almost def, Brodz (via waivers) and Rydahl go down, to start

to Turk and Drury, Hunt is probably ahead of both Carp and Gauth,
so thats the action to watch this week
I do want to add one more thing to the Rydahl equation.

The logic most of us are operating under is that carpenter will get that spot because Rydahl doesn't have to go through waivers. And there's a lot of merit to that.

However, keep this in mind... Rydahl is 28. Was only signed for 1 year. He will be an UFA after this year. If he clearly beats out Carpenter for that last spot And gets sent down for any significant amount of time that could be essentially burning an asset next year. From what I've seen of Rydahl, he's much closer to Tyler Motte than Kevin Rooney. If you send the guy to Hartford for 20-30-40 games, he's likely not coming back next year. He'll go somewhere else where he can play. He's also likely looking for maybe a slight raise too? Point is, if the Rangers value what they have in Rydahl, don't bury him in the minors. He only has the year to prove he belongs in the NHL. He's 28. Don't stick him in "the funnest city on earth" in his first year in NA. If he outplays Carpy for that 4th C role. GIVE IT TO HIM. Build a bridge with the player. And risk losing Carpenter. Maybe Rydahl becomes a guy you keep for 2-3 seasons and helps a lot in the playoffs. He seems like the perfect 4th liner in the playoffs with his size and speed and motor. If Rydahl was signed to a 3 year ELC where his rights remained with the team after the ELC that would be a different story. But he's 28 and UFA next year. If he's better than Carpenter GIVE HIM THE ROLE, FULL STOP.
 
Brooks is a moron.

Jones sole value isn't in running the PP for 20 seconds every time they go on it. He's more valuable as a puck mover at ES.

Not to mention that he's a better defender than Hajek so even if thats the lone measure that they're looking at, theres your answer.
I'm expecting you to lead the brigade when it happens.
 
Everyone wanted Gallant
We had an extremely fun regular season and postseason and he was a JA finalist
Everyone hates Gallant

Make it make sense. Gotta be built different for the coaching profession. I miss it every day.
 
The kid line seems like the only line that can sustain pressure at 5v5, they will have to play big minutes if we are going to make the playoffs. We know it, Drury knows it, and Gallant knows it.
 
Everyone wanted Gallant
We had an extremely fun regular season and postseason and he was a JA finalist
Everyone hates Gallant

Make it make sense. Gotta be built different for the coaching profession. I miss it every day.

We wanted Gallant because we expected that he'd make exactly the moves we'd call for here at HFNYR.

But he is doing things differently than what we want, in spite of winning.

So, we hate him now.

I hope that this makes sense.
 
Everyone wanted Gallant
We had an extremely fun regular season and postseason and he was a JA finalist
Everyone hates Gallant

Make it make sense. Gotta be built different for the coaching profession. I miss it every day.
Gallant is a very good culture builder.

Gallant is a very poor tactician.

Both of those things can be true.
 
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We wanted Gallant because we expected that he'd make exactly the moves we'd call for here at HFNYR.

But he is doing things differently than what we want.

So, we hate him now.

I hope that this makes sense.
I've been in the room with or on the opposing bench from countless HOFers in the profession. They didnt get there by being a vessel for message board donks.
 
which may actually only be 1 spot, if they carry 13 F's
(you didn't mention Blais, but presume he is top 12 too)

so, almost def, Brodz (via waivers) and Rydahl go down, to start

to Turk and Drury, Hunt is probably ahead of both Carp and Gauth,
so thats the action to watch this week
Gallant said there’s one forward spot left, so you’re right.
 
I'd rather have Hunt than Carpenter but I think the PK and center ability give Carpenter the intuitive advantage.

Blais-Goodrow-Reaves out of the gate isn't an atrocious 4th line though, so as frustrating as this Vesey move is to some of you, having Blais and Goodrow on the 4th line is one of the more realistic ways that we can make that line not a huge net drag on the team.

Blais-Goodrow-Reaves is an above average 4th line. Hunt-Carpenter-Reaves is the worst among competitive teams.
 
I'd rather have Blais or Goodrow on the top line but no reason to not try things out during preseason. If the kid line keeps working you really shouldn't break them up. Laf and Kakko having the puck on their sticks driving play is going to be great for their development if that line continues to have success. On any of the other two lines they'll be playing third fiddle.
 
I'd rather have Hunt than Carpenter but I think the PK and center ability give Carpenter the intuitive advantage.

Blais-Goodrow-Reaves out of the gate isn't an atrocious 4th line though, so as frustrating as this Vesey move is to some of you, having Blais and Goodrow on the 4th line is one of the more realistic ways that we can make that line not a huge net drag on the team.

Blais-Goodrow-Reaves is an above average 4th line. Hunt-Carpenter-Reaves is the worst among competitive teams.
If Vesey makes this team it means only one of Hunt, Rydahl, Carpenter, Gauthier can make the squad. Personally I pick Rydahl over the rest because he plays Center and PKs and skates and hits etc etc. And it's really that close. Hunt would be my backup choice.
 
If Vesey makes this team it means only one of Hunt, Rydahl, Carpenter, Gauthier can make the squad. Personally I pick Rydahl over the rest because he plays Center and PKs and skates and hits etc etc. And it's really that close. Hunt would be my backup choice.

I'd pick Rydahl as well, but I don't see them going that direction. I think they'd rather keep him on reserve in the AHL without losing anyone to waivers.
 
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If you pretend the Kid Line is the first line and KZV is the third line, it hurts less.
 

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