Training camp

[Lindberg Cheese]

GGs gotta do something about his Dry Hunt, I hear that Vesey cream works

 

[McRanger92]

That top line RW spot is like a small town escort, eryone's getting a turn. Hey, since there's literally no prerequisite for a tryout on that top line, I can give Gallant my UPS driver's phone number. Apparently the only attribute that disqualifies you from the top line is being a #1 or #2 overall pick in the NHL entry draft.


I mean, there's a big difference between getting 14 minutes and all of it 5v5. And getting 17+ with PP time and what that can do for a player.

Then it will keep the kids asking price down on their next contract. Isn’t everyone worried about the future cap anyway?

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Then it will keep the kids asking price down on their next contract. Isn’t everyone worried about the future cap anyway?

I’m more worried about them demanding trades.

I’m sure we’ll get a bunch of “all these kids are crybabies these days!” posts if that happens though.

 

[RGY]

I don't have a problem with PP1 being the way it is.

I have a problem with Trouba being on PP2. I don't care if its for 20 seconds every PP, hes a negative out there and he's cost us before in pretty important situations.

This i very much agree with. That spot should be going to Jones or Miller.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

Then it will keep the kids asking price down on their next contract. Isn’t everyone worried about the future cap anyway?

At the expensive of their development? No thank you. If they don't develop but they are cheap, we still lose.

 

[RGY]

At the expensive of their development? No thank you. If they don't develop but they are cheap, we still lose.

But is their development going off the rails? I certainly don’t think so. In fact, the things Gallant and this team did to make the playoffs, where Chytil/Laf/Kakko really seemed to figure things out, seems to have been a critical step for those kids. And included in that recipe to getting to the playoffs where those kids thrived, was having a very successful PP.

I have enjoyed the talking points from the crowd defending the PP1 personnel which have included logic around the system.

Cannot wait for opening night. Some here just come off so entitled and all knowing. It includes ignoring any positives from Gallant and searching for any reason to latch onto to criticize him. No one here is claiming he is perfect, but again the entitlement some show here make us look so ungrateful for where we were last year, where we are now, and where we are going.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

But is their development going off the rails? I certainly don’t think so. In fact, the things Gallant and this team did to make the playoffs, where Chytil/Laf/Kakko really seem to figure things out, seems to have been a critical step for those kids. And included in that recipe to getting to the playoffs where those kids thrived, was having a very successful PP.

I have enjoyed the talking points from the crowd defending the PP1 personnel which have included logic around the system.

Cannot wait for opening night. Some here just come off so entitled and all knowing. It includes ignoring any positives from Gallant and searching for any reason to latch onto to criticize him. No one here is claiming he is perfect, but again the entitlement some show here make us look so ungrateful for where we were last year, where we are now, and where we are going.

The same playoffs where the coach benched Kakko in the last game so he could put us in a worse position to get a win?

I'm honestly ok with PP1. I just want the kid line to get more minutes 5v5.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

But is their development going off the rails? I certainly don’t think so. In fact, the things Gallant and this team did to make the playoffs, where Chytil/Laf/Kakko really seem to figure things out, seems to have been a critical step for those kids. And included in that recipe to getting to the playoffs where those kids thrived, was having a very successful PP.

I have enjoyed the talking points from the crowd defending the PP1 personnel which have included logic around the system.

Cannot wait for opening night. Some here just come off so entitled and all knowing. It includes ignoring any positives from Gallant and searching for any reason to latch onto to criticize him. No one here is claiming he is perfect, but again the entitlement some show here make us look so ungrateful for where we were last year, where we are now, and where we are going.

Given where Kaapo Kakko currently is in his development, it’s pretty easy to argue it’s already gone off the rails.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I have a question about the rule about Othmann can’t be sent down to AHL. why can’t the NHLPA and other leagues try to change the rule? If the player is turning 20 between September to before the NHLallstar break mid January, you should be able to play in the minors. Othmann turns 20 in January, by this rule you should be able to play in the AHL. Think of the all good development this players would get by this rule. I think the NHLPA needs to fix this. Othmann needs to play more against pros.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

I have a question about the rule about Othmann can’t be sent down to AHL. why can’t the NHLPA and other leagues try to change the rule? If the player is turning 20 between September to before the NHLallstar break mid January, you should be able to play in the minors. Othmann turns 20 in January, by this rule you should be able to play in the AHL. Think of the all good development this players would get by this rule. I think the NHLPA needs to fix this. Othmann needs to play more against pros.

The NHL can try to change it - and would likely be successful - if they wanted to.

The rule being problematic just happens so infrequently that the NHL chooses not to fight the battle. 1 or 2 players every year isn’t seen as a big deal.

 

[Crease]

I have a question about the rule about Othmann can’t be sent down to AHL. why can’t the NHLPA and other leagues try to change the rule? If the player is turning 20 between September to before the NHLallstar break mid January, you should be able to play in the minors. Othmann turns 20 in January, by this rule you should be able to play in the AHL. Think of the all good development this players would get by this rule. I think the NHLPA needs to fix this. Othmann needs to play more against pros.

The NHLPA can’t do anything about this unilaterally. It’s a part of the NHL-CHL transfer agreement. While it hurts Othmann in this instance, it benefits the NHL and CHL more generally. If the top 18 and 19 year olds left the CHL for the AHL, the CHL would cease to be such a quality development league. Othmann’s presence in the CHL helps develop other players in the CHL.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Blais would be much better on that line once the rust wears off. He is a much better player than people remember and at least would bring more muscle on that line.

Blais has been in the NHL for 5 years. He has 39 career points. Vesey has been in the NHL for 6 years. He has 135 points. Vesey has more goals than Blais has points. Vesey has more points than Blais has games played. In one more season.

Vesey is exponentially better than Blais.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

What's the likely contract incoming for Vesey?

 

[NYR Viper]

If Goodrow was always going to be a staple on this teams 4th line then the team has a hole in the top-9 on the wing. A combination of Vesey/Blais isn’t a horrible option as the 6th winger in the top-9. It just so happens that, as of now, the open spot is on RW with Kreider and Zibanejad but that will change as players move around.

I honestly think the proper thing to do here is to play Blais with Lafreniere and Chytil and move Kaako up. Blais and Lafreniere had a bit of a connection last year.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Then it will keep the kids asking price down on their next contract. Isn’t everyone worried about the future cap anyway?

If they're actively trying to supress their only #1 overall pick in franchise history, so that they can potentially save some cap space, they're more brain damaged than I originally thought.

 

[nyr2k2]

What's the likely contract incoming for Vesey?

Back when Brooks fabricated this whole Vesey thing for clicks, he speculated it would be for around the minimum, which I think is still $750K. And that seems right, given he came in on a PTO and guys on PTO's don't usually end up signing for more than the minimum.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

"Why can't the Rangers ever get lucky and pick in the top 5 and get a franchise player that can lead the team to the promised land??!!" -All Rangers fans

*Rangers win draft lottery, get #1 overall pick*

"He shouldn't be on PP1, instead 29 year old 3rd line center should be in the 'bumper' cuz he's a righty"

"He shouldn't be in the top six because 'Kid Line'."

"Our coach knows best, Blais is more suited for the top six"

...

And this kind of wisdom is why this team has one Stanley Cup in the last 81 years.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Back when Brooks fabricated this whole Vesey thing for clicks, he speculated it would be for around the minimum, which I think is still $750K. And that seems right, given he came in on a PTO and guys on PTO's don't usually end up signing for more than the minimum.

True, I guess the chances that there will be any bidding from other teams or negotiation is small. That being said, he's played well, wouldn't be too surprised if other teams have noticed.

 

[SA16]

"Why can't the Rangers ever get lucky and pick in the top 5 and get a franchise player that can lead the team to the promised land??!!" -All Rangers fans

*Rangers win draft lottery, get #1 overall pick*

"He shouldn't be on PP1, instead 29 year old 3rd line center should be in the 'bumper' cuz he's a righty"

"He shouldn't be in the top six because 'Kid Line'."

"Our coach knows best, Blais is more suited for the top six"

...

And this kind of wisdom is why this team has one Stanley Cup in the last 81 years.

Trocheck has not been a third line center at any point in the last seven years.

Do you have any idea how many good forwards are in the league that don't get PP1 time? There are a ton of them. They all developed fine.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Blais has been in the NHL for 5 years. He has 39 career points. Vesey has been in the NHL for 6 years. He has 135 points. Vesey has more goals than Blais has points. Vesey has more points than Blais has games played. In one more season.

Vesey is exponentially better than Blais.

Disagree. Blais has been cursed with injuries.

 

[mas0764]

At the expensive of their development? No thank you. If they don't develop but they are cheap, we still lose.

The better move is to develop them and then trade redundant and overpaid expensive vets who aren’t stars.

"Why can't the Rangers ever get lucky and pick in the top 5 and get a franchise player that can lead the team to the promised land??!!" -All Rangers fans

*Rangers win draft lottery, get #1 overall pick*

"He shouldn't be on PP1, instead 29 year old 3rd line center should be in the 'bumper' cuz he's a righty"

"He shouldn't be in the top six because 'Kid Line'."

"Our coach knows best, Blais is more suited for the top six"

...

And this kind of wisdom is why this team has one Stanley Cup in the last 81 years.

The fans have a lot of homers who just line up to justify whatever the administration does.

 

[DuneGoon84]

Blais has been in the NHL for 5 years. He has 39 career points. Vesey has been in the NHL for 6 years. He has 135 points. Vesey has more goals than Blais has points. Vesey has more points than Blais has games played. In one more season.

Vesey is exponentially better than Blais.

Yea I don't think so. Give me Blais's game over this vesey guy any day.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The problem is Gerard Gallant has conditioned us to get into arguments over whether it’s Plug A or Plug B that deserves first line minutes.

News flash - neither of them do.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Disagree. Blais has been cursed with injuries.

You disagree that Blais has less career points than Vesey has goals in only one less season in the NHL? That's what the numbers say. Blame injuries or anything else, facts remain.

Yea I don't think so. Give me Blais's game over this vesey guy any day.

You don't think what? Look at the numbers.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I still believe that out of all the players the Rangers traded for and let walk they will miss Frank Vatrano the most. Just a gut feeling. RW depth isn't that good here.