Training camp

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This is IMO where the big disconnect is.

I give absolutely zero shits about what anyone says or thinks about the Rangers players on the internet or at the bar.

I give a shit about the NYR winning another Cup before I die.

Not going to continue to rehash a conversation this board has had 1000x besides to say that the path of hoping that somehow, "this is the year" that Panarin, Zibanejad, and Kreider will lead this team to the promised land seems incredibly unlikely to me.

Yet, the entire organization lines up behind this approach, because of hockey culture i.e. deference to veterans and organizational culture i.e. deference to the right now. As well as the fact that coaches and GMs have a shorter "investment horizon" understandably due to wanting to keep their job than we as fans do.

With relatively brief exceptions (relative to the rest of the league), deferring to the right now is all the Rangers have ever done and as a result, despite their financial advantages, they are one of the worst franchises in the league at producing elite offensive players and winning Stanley Cups.

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All that said, despite my comical overreaction, I'm not actually that fired up about this. All of the decisions made to date, if they even stick, mostly make sense in a short term vacuum.

It's the implications for the medium term that really get under my skin, but this writing has been on the wall basically since the 2019 offseason, so not exactly news. It's the Rangers culture, it's who they are.
Well said. @BBKers also makes a great point I've been thinking too, that it could still hit, and there is a chance that the kids will rise to the occasion without the support other young stars get. It's happened before, so it could happen here.

Of course, it's a big gamble, and I'm not sold on it, but Kreider took 10 years to pop. Zibanejad took a long time too. It's totally conceivable to me that winning games and going for it will help the kids enough that when it's 'their turn' they'll step up.

I think there is some evidence that this team is learning and changing, organizationally. Even from Gorton to Drury, the least that could be said is that Drury signs depth pieces that make sense and can play. Nemeth flamed out but I and many others liked that signing. His deadline pickups were very savvy especially vatrano and motte. This year we have too many forwards who could play good 4th line minutes, which may be a first for my fandom.

And also, to Gallants credit, his teams aren't typically bad analytically. Last year, many of us though Panarin looked off from the start, many of us thought he and strome we're a poor fit, Kakko was locked in the top six (and playing well) but he missed half a season. There were things that just weren't lined up right. I don't think gallant will hesitate to make changes if we're losing games. Fortunately or unfortunately, we have yet another goalie who simply does not allow that to happen lol. And last year we had an epic power play to boot.

So as fans I think we just have to be patient and wait and see. We all know why the rangers are making the decisions they do, but unlike in the past with this org, those decisions have a non-zero chance of planning out for the best, even in medium to long term view imo.
 
Well said. @BBKers also makes a great point I've been thinking too, that it could still hit, and there is a chance that the kids will rise to the occasion without the support other young stars get. It's happened before, so it could happen here.

Of course, it's a big gamble, and I'm not sold on it, but Kreider took 10 years to pop. Zibanejad took a long time too. It's totally conceivable to me that winning games and going for it will help the kids enough that when it's 'their turn' they'll step up.

I think there is some evidence that this team is learning and changing, organizationally. Even from Gorton to Drury, the least that could be said is that Drury signs depth pieces that make sense and can play. Nemeth flamed out but I and many others liked that signing. His deadline pickups were very savvy especially vatrano and motte. This year we have too many forwards who could play good 4th line minutes, which may be a first for my fandom.

And also, to Gallants credit, his teams aren't typically bad analytically. Last year, many of us though Panarin looked off from the start, many of us thought he and strome we're a poor fit, Kakko was locked in the top six (and playing well) but he missed half a season. There were things that just weren't lined up right. I don't think gallant will hesitate to make changes if we're losing games. Fortunately or unfortunately, we have yet another goalie who simply does not allow that to happen lol. And last year we had an epic power play to boot.

So as fans I think we just have to be patient and wait and see. We all know why the rangers are making the decisions they do, but unlike in the past with this org, those decisions have a non-zero chance of planning out for the best, even in medium to long term view imo.

Good post, agree with most of this here. Might as well be more positive given that it is the first week of October. :laugh:
 
Goodrow - Rydahl - Blais

Looked good as a 4th line.

The fact Kravtsov is not running away with his spot on Panarin's line is very disappointing. If Gallant doesn't give him time to figure it out, we are going to have two big holes on the top two lines on RW. And we just happen to have 1st and 2nd overall picks on the roster but Gallant refuses to give them a look in the top 6. That means inferior players will have to fill those spots.

At this point the Rangers can't afford to not sign Vesey. He needs to be on the roster.
 
More cuts before Saturday? Bartkowski was the one guy last night I don't see making the team. Rydahl is on the bubble too.
 
More cuts before Saturday? Bartkowski was the one guy last night I don't see making the team. Rydahl is on the bubble too.
I feel like last night should have cemented Rydahl's spot on the roster. That 4th line was really good. Way better than what Gallant threw out there last year.
 
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The goal here is to win regular season games so you put yourself in a good post season spot. That's the goal despite everybody wanting to see certain players take the next level. The NYR are competing. That's the way it's going to be.

The bumper isn't just for scoring. The bumper is a good way to continue to control possession. For a lefty, I think the bumper position is a good way to utilize tips and deflections coming across from the wall. For a righty, it's easier to control the play and get one-timers off. If you want to put a lefty in that position (Laf) then the lefty should probably be on the other side considering we rely on Kreider for those tips and deflections. The only problem is that moving Laf to the other bumper side will probably take away one-timers from Zibanejad's spot as that area will be more crowded. Realistically, If Panarin is moving down to the right wall, than him and Laf should be switching with Laf being the lefty in that spot and Panarin the righty in the bumper, but I wouldn't want to see Panarin in that spot. My issue with Strome in the bumper spot was that he often left the bumper area to play the wall. I think Trocheck will be better as a real bumper option.
I thought the goal was the thing u put the puck into. I can't keep up with hockey vocabulary
 
Igor was the reason for this last year. Gallant's inability to employ a sufficient strategy is why we needed two 7 game series and then lost 4 games in a row in the ECF.
I chalk that up more to throwing over 1/3 of the cap at a bunch of old players who clearly weren't bringing us a cup amd hoping we'd get a cup w them

And our failure to develop top offensive talent

That's not a defense of coaching btw. I just don't think it was as big a factor bc coaching across the nhl is an abomination rn so it ends up mostly a wash in the end
 
I said it in the GDT and I’ll repeat it here.

We’re playing turn of the century hockey in 2023. The game has changed and evolved.

Can we still win this way? Sure. It will take monumental individual efforts. (ie Shesty last year, 2019 Panarin, 2020 Fox and all the kids taking it to new levels. )
 
If it has not come on now, it never will. AHL player
Maybe cause he was only given games with good players in the ahl lol
I would like to see some team in the NHL give him top 6 minutes with top 6 players to see what he can do.
 
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Does today mean we never have to see Gauthier in a Rangers uniform again?
 
I said it in the GDT and I’ll repeat it here.

We’re playing turn of the century hockey in 2023. The game has changed and evolved.

Can we still win this way? Sure. It will take monumental individual efforts. (ie Shesty last year, 2019 Panarin, 2020 Fox and all the kids taking it to new levels. )

Spot on. How do you and I disagree so often?
 
on Blais. If I'm the Rangers I consider starting Blais out on a 2-week conditioning stint and keeping someone else on the active roster. I don't actually know if you can send someone on a conditioning stint before you set your regular season lineup. @Amazing Kreiderman would likely know if this is possible.

A conditioning stint has a few conditions:

1. the player has to agree to it
2. It's for a set time of 2 weeks
3. The player does not require to clear waivers
4. The player keeps his NHL salary if he is on a 2-way deal
5. The team needs league approval

That last one is the tricky part. The league assesses the situation and then looks at whether or not the request is viable.
 
A conditioning stint has a few conditions:

1. the player has to agree to it
2. It's for a set time of 2 weeks
3. The player does not require to clear waivers
4. The player keeps his NHL salary if he is on a 2-way deal
5. The team needs league approval

That last one is the tricky part. The league assesses the situation and then looks at whether or not the request is viable.
Awesome information. And GREAT to see you back here. You've been missed.
 

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