Training camp

[EdJovanovski]

Who had Jimmy Vesey blocking Laf in his D+3 & Kakko in his D+4 from the top 6 on their bingo cards?

 

[Crease]

It remains clear that Gallant wants to keep Kreider/Zibanejad, Panarin/Trocheck, and Kid Line together. That leaves the hole next to Kreider/Zibanejad. They will carry 22 players, bank some cap space, and fill the hole at the deadline.

 

[Kords]

Having a stacked top 9 is cool, but have you tried a stacked bottom 9?

Honestly Vesey is probably the best fit there for now. I like keeping the kid line together for the time being, but eventually wanna see Kakko get a shot.

 

[will1066]

Having a stacked top 9 is cool, but have you tried a stacked bottom 9?

Honestly Vesey is probably the best fit there for now. I like keeping the kid line together for the time being, but eventually wanna see Kakko get a shot.

Move Carpenter (or Brodz) up with Zib and Kreider. Then you got Blais, Vesey and Goodrow, and Laf-Chytil-Kk

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Who had Jimmy Vesey blocking Laf in his D+3 & Kakko in his D+4 from the top 6 on their bingo cards?

100% called this. LMAO. Pain.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Who had Jimmy Vesey blocking Laf in his D+3 & Kakko in his D+4 from the top 6 on their bingo cards?

Is it blocking Laf and Kakko if gallant does what we want and split 5v5 time fairly evenly across the top 3?
I get the frustration at this move, but the kids have been dominant this pre-season. Seems like keeping them together isn’t a bad thing.

 

[huerter]

The point isn't to win games, it's to win a Cup.

The point isn't to win a cup, it's to achieve transformative excellence.

 

[Crease]

Vesey is making the team. Which is fine, he's been good. Goodrow and Reaves are making the team, that was never a question.

Down to Rydahl, Gauthier, Hunt, Carpenter, and Brodzinski for the last two spots.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who had Jimmy Vesey blocking Laf in his D+3 & Kakko in his D+4 from the top 6 on their bingo cards?

Its not blocking when they're being kept together because they're quite literally the only line that we have that has shown any ability to create offense off of the cycle.

Wait until one of Blais or Goodrow knocks Kravtsov out of the top 9.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Is it blocking Laf and Kakko if gallant does what we want and split 5v5 time fairly evenly across the top 3?
I get the frustration at this move, but the kids have been dominant this pre-season. Seems like keeping them together isn’t a bad thing.

There’s roughly a 0.000% chance the time is split evenly across those top 3 lines.

We’ve all seen this song and dance before.

 

[will1066]

Its not blocking when they're being kept together because they're quite literally the only line that we have that has shown any ability to create offense off of the cycle.

Wait until one of Blais or Goodrow knocks Kravtsov out of the top 9.

The only solution for addressing kid development is redistribution of ice time away from the fourth line. Become a three-line team and play the fourth line situationally. It would behoove Chytil to get better on faceoffs so that Gallant has more confidence in rolling out the line instead of sending Goodrow's line out there for draws.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

This board is a case study for Stockholm Symdrome...Jimmy Vesey as line 1 RW. There is "absolutely no chance" that anyone but Vinny Trocheck can work on PP1.

Live look at Kakko and Lafreniere texting their agents:

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Let’s call a spade a “spade” here.

Keeping the Kid Line together is a convenient veil Gallant is using to simply achieve what he’s wanted to achieve - keeping Laf and Kakko out of the top 6.

And half this fanbase is not only going to let him off the hook for it. They’re going to actually think it’s a good idea.

 

[will1066]

This board is a case study for Stockholm Symdrome...Jimmy Vesey as line 1 RW. There is "absolutely no chance" that anyone but Vinny Trocheck can work on PP1.

Live look at Kakko and Lafreniere texting their agents:

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Actually Libor f***ing Hajek is the definition of Stockholm Syndrome. Held captive in the press box in street clothes for how many year now? But he loves the organization and wouldn't rather be anyf***ingwhere else, keeping the memory of the McDonagh fleecing alive and burning.

 

[cwede]

Vesey is making the team. Which is fine, he's been good. Goodrow and Reaves are making the team, that was never a question.

Down to Rydahl, Gauthier, Hunt, Carpenter, and Brodzinski for the last two spots.

which may actually only be 1 spot, if they carry 13 F's
(you didn't mention Blais, but presume he is top 12 too)

so, almost def, Brodz (via waivers) and Rydahl go down, to start

to Turk and Drury, Hunt is probably ahead of both Carp and Gauth,
so thats the action to watch this week

 

[duhmetreE]

Who had Jimmy Vesey blocking Laf in his D+3 & Kakko in his D+4 from the top 6 on their bingo cards?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The hysteria was predictable lol.

Can we at least WAIT until we see how these lines are deployed (if they even stay together) before freaking the f*** out?

Thanks.

 

[SA16]

Here's the other thing, every team winning Cups and multiple Cups did it with their high draft picks leading the way. Teams put those guys in every situation and let them grow to the point when the chips were down in the playoffs those were the guys leading the teams to wins. They weren't buried behind scrubs at 5v5 and denied opportunities on the PP and PK. The Rangers are not winning a Cup until Laf and Kakko are big-time contributors and leaders. Trocheck isn't putting us over the top. Blais is not leading the way. They aren't winning a Cup with an ineffective 4th line.

Most of those teams did not win for a very very long time.

Colorado won 11 years after drafting Landeskog, 9 years after MacKinnon, and 4 years after Makar.

Tampa Bay won 13 years after drafting Stamkos and 12 years after Hedman. Neither of them were even the best player on the team either.

St. Louis won with Pietrangelo (4 overall) - 11 years after he was drafted. They had no other top 5 picks of their own.

Washington won 14 years after drafting Ovechkin

Chicago/Pittsburgh were quicker but Laf/Kakko are not exactly supposed to be Crosby/Malkin in Pittsburgh's place.

Should we start playing all the youth in big roles and contact the Mayor's office to plan the victor parade for 2031?

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[duhmetreE]

It's a problem if the kids are sitting for an extended period. They need to have them involved and engaged.

 

[gravey9]

The only solution for addressing kid development is redistribution of ice time away from the fourth line. Become a three-line team and play the fourth line situationally. It would behoove Chytil to get better on faceoffs so that Gallant has more confidence in rolling out the line instead of sending Goodrow's line out there for draws.

This isn't a bad thought. That said, if Gallant is insistent on keeping the kid line together, he is basically doing so at the detriment of all the other lines. Mika and Kreids don't really have a complimentary offensive winger. Panarin and Tro may or may not work with Kravy who may be playing above his experience and readiness on that line. The kid line is literally the only line right now where all 3 pieces fit really well. What SHOULD happen in that situation is that the Kid Line becomes essentially the first line at ES. They're the best 5v5 line as currently constructed. They do the heavy lifting the other lines can't. They should be getting slightly more than the other lines at 5v5. But they won't. And that's really what's at issue here. You have the kids and 3 half-baked lines and yet you're going to ride the vets who are all on 2-thirds of a line. This strategy doesn't make much sense if the goal isn't to make the kids the defacto first line at 5v5. Even if it's only 1 minute more ice per game. You're robbing peter to pay paul. But then you're not playing paul. It's backwards logic. If Gallant wants to lean on his vets at 5v5, gotta bust the kid line. We don't have enough depth to do that. To me, it's not even a question anymore about sheltering the kids, etc. It's about giving the guys who are going to shoulder the high leverage moments of the game, all the tools they need to succeed. I think Vesey could very well work on that top line. He's likely a decent bandaid. But is it seriously the case that none of Chytil, Laf or Kakko would do better up there and help Mika and Kreids thrive? Maybe. but doubtful that's accurate. I'd be fine moving Laf up there and putting Goody or Vesey on a line with Fil and Kakko.

 

[bleedblue94]

My view and your view are irrelevant here. I'm saying the organization's view is "The goal here is to win as many regular season games as possible."

And I am saying that for a team that just went to the conference finals and talks about aspirations of going further simply focusing on winning "as many regular season games as possible" is a poor way to evolve your franchise and go further. Disagree if you want, I dont much care

 

[McRanger92]

The hysteria was predictable lol.

Can we at least WAIT until we see how these lines are deployed (if they even stay together) before freaking the f*** out?

Thanks.

On HFNYR, everyone is an expert on player development and deployment. Maybe the Rangers should start crowd sourcing roster moves and line combos

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This isn't a bad thought. That said, if Gallant is insistent on keeping the kid line together, he is basically doing so at the detriment of all the other lines. Mika and Kreids don't really have a complimentary offensive winger. Panarin and Tro may or may not work with Kravy who may be playing above his experience and readiness on that line. The kid line is literally the only line right now where all 3 pieces fit really well. What SHOULD happen in that situation is that the Kid Line becomes essentially the first line at ES. They're the best 5v5 line as currently constructed. They do the heavy lifting the other lines can't. They should be getting slightly more than the other lines at 5v5. But they won't. And that's really what's at issue here. You have the kids and 3 half-baked lines and yet you're going to ride the vets who are all on 2-thirds of a line. This strategy doesn't make much sense if the goal isn't to make the kids the defacto first line at 5v5. Even if it's only 1 minute more ice per game. You're robbing peter to pay paul. But then you're not playing paul. It's backwards logic. If Gallant wants to lean on his vets at 5v5, gotta bust the kid line. We don't have enough depth to do that. To me, it's not even a question anymore about sheltering the kids, etc. It's about giving the guys who are going to shoulder the high leverage moments of the game, all the tools they need to succeed. I think Vesey could very well work on that top line. He's likely a decent bandaid. But is it seriously the case that none of Chytil, Laf or Kakko would do better up there and help Mika and Kreids thrive? Maybe. but doubtful that's accurate. I'd be fine moving Laf up there and putting Goody or Vesey on a line with Fil and Kakko.

This pretty much nails it.

Also for everyone freaking out, Vesey is literally the 4th RW they've cycled through on that line (Kakko, Blais, Goodrow and now Vesey.) There is no guarantee that is how they'll start the season.

 

[duhmetreE]

So, you’ve got 10 names comprising the projected season-opening power-play units. Do you spot who is not among them? Correct. That would be Zac Jones, whose primary asset is running the power play.

So the question becomes whether Jones has enough value at even-strength to include the 21-year-old on the roster, let alone pencil him in as the third pair left defenseman. If the hierarchy is not measuring Jones’ potential impact with the man-advantage, then it is pretty much all about the ability to defend.

And Jones would not seem to hold an advantage in that department over Libor Hajek. It is unlikely that the club would keep Jones — who does not require waivers to shuttle back to Hartford — as a seventh defenseman when he would be piling up minutes in all critical situations for the AHL Wolf Pack. Perhaps I am reading more into this than necessary, but it does seem to me that the decision to go with Kravtsov (and Trouba) over Jones on PP2 is rather significant.

Zac Jones’ power play specialty may not be enough to overcome Rangers impediments

The question becomes whether Jones has enough value at even-strength to include him on the roster, let alone pencil him in as a third pair defenseman.

nypost.com

For entertainment purposes... I sort of want to see Hajek get the 3LD over Jones.

Does Brooksie have an inside take? Do they give Hajek a 'make or break' 20 games similar to Nils last season?