Training camp

[TGWL]

And how does this play out when guys on PP1 are stuck out there and actually draw a penalty and then are gassed for the start of a pp. Or when a double minor happens in the playoffs and pp1 can't get it done and then the teams sends pp2 on the ice which can't even gain the blue line w possession?

How is a lefty useless in the bumper spot? Strome never onetimed shots from panarin so it has nothing to do with that at all.

Trocheck filling stromes spot is square peg round hole. You have other options here and could use trocheck on pp2. Then pp2 might actually not waste 20 seconds on every draw chasing a clear bc they lost another draw.

Is the idea here to be a good reg season team that can make the average teams look bad or is the idea to further develop the youth and roster so that when we get back to the playoffs we have more people better equipped for all the situations that will come the team's way? Boy I guess some people forget what happened when strome was out and chytil was forced into playing w pp1 and looked like he had no idea what was happening out there.

There is a lot of talent on this roster but you help develop talent by putting it in positions to elevate it. Top loading pp1 again to play 90 sec of each pp and basically putting pp2 out there to embarrass themselves again for 30 seconds at a clip doesn't help at all

The goal here is to win regular season games so you put yourself in a good post season spot. That's the goal despite everybody wanting to see certain players take the next level. The NYR are competing. That's the way it's going to be.

The bumper isn't just for scoring. The bumper is a good way to continue to control possession. For a lefty, I think the bumper position is a good way to utilize tips and deflections coming across from the wall. For a righty, it's easier to control the play and get one-timers off. If you want to put a lefty in that position (Laf) then the lefty should probably be on the other side considering we rely on Kreider for those tips and deflections. The only problem is that moving Laf to the other bumper side will probably take away one-timers from Zibanejad's spot as that area will be more crowded. Realistically, If Panarin is moving down to the right wall, than him and Laf should be switching with Laf being the lefty in that spot and Panarin the righty in the bumper, but I wouldn't want to see Panarin in that spot. My issue with Strome in the bumper spot was that he often left the bumper area to play the wall. I think Trocheck will be better as a real bumper option.

 

[chosen]

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There is a lot of talent on this roster but you help develop talent by putting it in positions to elevate it. Top loading pp1 again to play 90 sec of each pp and basically putting pp2 out there to embarrass themselves again for 30 seconds at a clip doesn't help at all

Worked superbly last season.

 

[chosen]

On Colorado, he'd be a 20-goal scorer (as I mentioned in another post). Nothing scientific to back it up, but just seems they are more competent than this organization at making players work.

Does that mean you think Colorado works harder than the Rangers or does it mean something else?

 

[huerter]

In our PP configuration, a right handed bumper can do everything a left handed bumper can do plus can shoot off the pass from Panarin and can shoot off the pass from Kreider on a tic tac toe high to low to high. Having those two options keeps the PK guessing or else they could just blanket Zibanejad even tighter, who is the key to the lethal PP. Gallant knows this geometry. Of course he does. It's not very complicated.

 

[bleedblue94]

Worked superbly last season.

Sure worked great in the reg season, and the deeper they went in the playoffs the more things were exposed.

 

[duhmetreE]

If I’m an opposing coach and the other team has 4 young forwards and an inexperienced young D when my guy gets sprung out of the penalty box I’m trying to exploit that situation plain and simple. It’s not so much Jones is the problem with this alignment as my preference is to have 2D on the ice when teams transition back to 5v5. Jones on the second unit would be more key to success than say Kravtsov would. Zac has a ppqb’s mentality but at least most situations like that Trouba should be out there too so that at least someone will be thinking about defense.

I don't follow that thought process... If you're the opposing coach, you're thinking about killing the penalty. It doesn't make sense to me how you're thinking about defense, on a Power Play... and on a PK you're thinking about offense.

SHG happen. Bad plays at the point happen. ( see Trouba ) I don't agree with playing the game 'not to lose'.

IMO Trouba is not the 2nd best choice. He's not even the 3rd best choice. There's no on-ice reason for him to QB'ing the 2nd PP.

 

[TominNC]

On Colorado, he'd be a 20-goal scorer (as I mentioned in another post). Nothing scientific to back it up, but just seems they are more competent than this organization at making players work.

Newhook had 13 goals. No other forward under 25 had anywhere near that. What makes you think our young guys would get more chances to score out there?

 

[bleedblue94]

The goal here is to win regular season games so you put yourself in a good post season spot. That's the goal despite everybody wanting to see certain players take the next level. The NYR are competing. That's the way it's going to be.

The bumper isn't just for scoring. The bumper is a good way to continue to control possession. For a lefty, I think the bumper position is a good way to utilize tips and deflections coming across from the wall. For a righty, it's easier to control the play and get one-timers off. If you want to put a lefty in that position (Laf) then the lefty should probably be on the other side considering we rely on Kreider for those tips and deflections. The only problem is that moving Laf to the other bumper side will probably take away one-timers from Zibanejad's spot as that area will be more crowded. Realistically, If Panarin is moving down to the right wall, than him and Laf should be switching with Laf being the lefty in that spot and Panarin the righty in the bumper, but I wouldn't want to see Panarin in that spot. My issue with Strome in the bumper spot was that he often left the bumper area to play the wall. I think Trocheck will be better as a real bumper option.

If you're view is "The goal here is to win regular season games so you put yourself in a good post season spot" I would disagree and say the goal is to prep the team for a post season run. Igor is going to get this team in the playoffs again barring injury, but people around here are discounting how hard it is to get to the conference finals let alone to the finals or to win once you do get to the playoffs. One trick pony rarely gets it done, well evolved teams with multiple contributors are the ones that are successful. I can't believe people here are thinking hell let's just run the same idea of unworldly goalie and elite pp and think that is going to carry the team further towards the goal we all want it to achieve.

 

[bleedblue94]

"The playoffs present the uncommon"

Zibanejad+Strome took 81% of the teams playoff faceoffs (among guys who are centers). They took 75% in the regular season. I suppose you could say they are uncommon. Uncommonly heavier usage to the top guys. Good work. I take it you also haven’t heard of the extremely advanced hockey strategy which would involve Goodrow being on the ice for the faceoff and then going to the bench after it?

I am going to have to end this conversation here because I am not going to waste my time arguing with someone who can't take the thirty seconds to look things up themselves before spouting objective falsities.

That's a good way to back out of every other point I made to you. Follows your mo on here of just jumping on someone and trying to aggressively make your opinion feel like fact yet when you get pushback for being rude and arrogant you try to spin it as though the other person is an idiot or unworthy. That isn't a person insult or anything, it is an observation over years of reading your posts. I don't block anyone bc it is childish and even people I disagree with add to discussions.

Strome and zib took all the draws bc, wait for it, they were on pp1 which played almost all the time, what's the great point you're making other than reinforcing our over reliance on pp1?

You try to criticize why a lefty can't run the bumper and that's why Vinny has to be there to shoot yet I point out that you simultaneously state strome never would shoot from there and then you hide from it ha

Pp2 gets 20-30 seconds of ice time and you want to use a 4th liner to take a draw and then sprint to the bench wasting about half that pp time until his replacement comes back onto the ice? Didn't we learn enough during the years of using Blair Bett for this kind of stupidity needing a fow in an empty net situation? Let's waste our manpower advantage sending our extra skater to the bench to change for an offensively useful player bc of "reasons"...

It's hard work always trying to be the smartest person on the internet, I commend your efforts!

 

[eco's bones]

I don't follow that thought process... If you're the opposing coach, you're thinking about killing the penalty. It doesn't make sense to me how you're thinking about defense, on a Power Play... and on a PK you're thinking about offense.

SHG happen. Bad plays at the point happen. ( see Trouba ) I don't agree with playing the game 'not to lose'.

IMO Trouba is not the 2nd best choice. He's not even the 3rd best choice. There's no on-ice reason for him to QB'ing the 2nd PP.

Not at all. I’m thinking about what happens when the power play is over and an opposing player is jumping out of the penalty box and we have four young forwards and one inexperienced D on the ice which happens all the time after the second unit replaces the first unit. That second second unit is more exposed to a quick strike breakaway pass or a counterattack.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

@GENESISPuck94

Gallant is a tool.

 

[SA16]

Not at all. I’m thinking about what happens when the power play is over and an opposing player is jumping out of the penalty box and we have four young forwards and one inexperienced D on the ice which happens all the time after the second unit replaces the first unit. That second second unit is more exposed to a quick strike breakaway pass or a counterattack.

Once again I think we are getting bogged down in rare situations. Having a PP end with 4F and 1D on it is common. Having the exact sequence of events that leads to a quick strike breakaway off it is not. Most of the time it's just bad luck and wouldn't matter who is on the ice (i.e. someone fires the puck in deep and a defender intercepts it right as the player leaves the box).

I am sure someone can easily write a script to see how many times goals were scored within x seconds after a PK ended.

 

[duhmetreE]

Not at all. I’m thinking about what happens when the power play is over and an opposing player is jumping out of the penalty box and we have four young forwards and one inexperienced D on the ice which happens all the time after the second unit replaces the first unit. That second second unit is more exposed to a quick strike breakaway pass or a counterattack.

We want it to end with a PPG

shouldn't that be top priority? I get with what you're trying to say but I don't agree with the premise.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[RGY]

Gallant is a tool.

The Rangers had the 4th best PP in the league last year, but sure Gallant is a “tool”.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I thought they were on a bonding trip in Rhode Island? I thought wrong.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

The Rangers had the 4th best PP in the league last year, but sure Gallant is a “tool”.

The guy who left did absolutely nothing on that unit. The Rangers have a #1 overall pick on their roster that scored 19 even strength goals. So instead of giving him an opportunity to fill that open spot on PP1 and become what 1st overall picks become, Gallant buries him on the 3rd line with no special teams time. He's a tool.

 

[RGY]

The guy who left did absolutely nothing on that unit. The Rangers have a #1 overall pick on their roster that scored 19 even strength goals. So instead of giving him an opportunity to fill that open spot on PP1 and become what 1st overall picks become, Gallant buries him on the 3rd line with no special teams time. He's a tool.

And you know what, I am sure that if PP1 struggles and looks out of sync with Trocheck there, the head coach will make changes. But for right now, I am going to give the coach, who got a team to the ECF in his 1st year that had a PP that was 4th in league in the regular season, the benefit of the doubt. They were also 2nd in PP% and PPG, with the Stanley Cup Champs only ahead of them. You know, the team some here salivate over as the “model”. Seems more sensible than calling him a tool…

 

[Thirty One]

And you know what, I am sure that if PP1 struggles and looks out of sync with Trocheck there, the head coach will make changes.

Yep, Goodrow will be ready.

 

[17futurecap]

I thought they were on a bonding trip in Rhode Island? I thought wrong.

They are

 

[huerter]

Laf is left handed. Save gripes for issues that are actually worthy. Stop crying over spilled milk.

 

[SA16]

The guy who left did absolutely nothing on that unit. The Rangers have a #1 overall pick on their roster that scored 19 even strength goals. So instead of giving him an opportunity to fill that open spot on PP1 and become what 1st overall picks become, Gallant buries him on the 3rd line with no special teams time. He's a tool.

The powerplay is not about having the five best players on the team on it. It's about having the right structure and system. If you put a lefty in that role they will be ineffective. In order to have Laf on PP1 and be effective you would need to move Mika back into the bumper and then have Laf/Panarin on the two half walls. We have already seen in the past this is a bad idea as they tried it when Panarin first became a Ranger. If you put him in the middle he will stand there and never touch the puck because he will not be a viable pass option.

Other guys that play a similar role on PP's with a similar structure largely revolving around a big shot from the left circle:

Point - RHS
Oshie - RHS
Bergeron - RHS

Not sure if there are any other PPs that are structured identically (or the reverse which would then have a LS of course) off the top of my head.

"“The important thing is bringing in a righty for a righty,” net-front presence extraordinaire Kreider told The Post following Monday’s practice at this Rhode Island outpost. “A lefty [replacing Strome] would change the element and the dynamic.

“The guy in the middle has to be a shot threat. If we had a lefty there, we’d have to run everything off the other side.” "

 

[chosen]

Sure worked great in the reg season, and the deeper they went in the playoffs the more things were exposed.

As you progress through the playoffs it gets tougher to win. They still got 18 PPG in 19 games in the playoffs.

This strategy you hate got them to the Semis when we were all hoping they would make the playoffs.

If there was a season in the last 10 to complain about, last season wasn't the one.

 

[huerter]

“The important thing is bringing in a righty for a righty,” net-front presence extraordinaire Kreider told The Post following Monday’s practice at this Rhode Island outpost. “A lefty [replacing Strome] would change the element and the dynamic.

“The guy in the middle has to be a shot threat. If we had a lefty there, we’d have to run everything off the other side.”

#KreiderGetsGeometry

 

[egelband]

Vince needs to work on discerning what can be considered humor.

yeah, he's no Freddie de Cordova