Training camp

[Atax]

On Colorado, he'd be a 20-goal scorer (as I mentioned in another post). Nothing scientific to back it up, but just seems they are more competent than this organization at making players work.

No. No, he wouldn't. He stinks.

 

[duhmetreE]

There is one very good objective reason I thought of immediately. With four forwards out on your second unit....the unit most likely to transition to 5v5 if it doesn't score.....you might want a defenseman you really trust when that transition happens.

I don't buy that.

I understand wanting to have someone responsible but to sacrifice 20-40 seconds of a PP for what might happen after it expires is bad.... Almost as bad as putting your 4th line on the ice with 15 seconds left on the PP.... he does that too.

KAM> Trouba
Jones > Trouba
2 minutes of Fox > Trouba

I believe he gets it because of status/tenure. He's a team leader and getting paid $8M.... it's also how Turk rolls... I get it.. In Turk's mind, what has Jones done in the NHL to overtake Trouba? Everyone and their mother knows Jones is a better option.... but we ignore it because reasons...

 

[TheBloodyNine]

@GENESISPuck94

Vince needs to work on discerning what can be considered humor.

 

[Fitzy]

The issue with 2nd PP units around the league is that they're usually comprised of 'whomever is left from the top 9 with any offensive ability whatsoever' thrown hodgepodge out there without the same considerations of specialty, positionality, and designed plays that the 1st unit of any team is constructed around.

If we throw laf chytil kravtsov and kakko out there and hope the the best despite the fact that none of them have clearly defined roles, it isn't gonna be effective.

 

[bleedblue94]

Yes. The point is to win games. Not to feel better about the PP2. Improving the PP2 makes you less likely to win games since you downgrade the PP1. Putting Laf, or Kakko, on PP1 would make the unit much worse since a lefty is entirely useless in that role.

And how does this play out when guys on PP1 are stuck out there and actually draw a penalty and then are gassed for the start of a pp. Or when a double minor happens in the playoffs and pp1 can't get it done and then the teams sends pp2 on the ice which can't even gain the blue line w possession?

How is a lefty useless in the bumper spot? Strome never onetimed shots from panarin so it has nothing to do with that at all.

Trocheck filling stromes spot is square peg round hole. You have other options here and could use trocheck on pp2. Then pp2 might actually not waste 20 seconds on every draw chasing a clear bc they lost another draw.

Is the idea here to be a good reg season team that can make the average teams look bad or is the idea to further develop the youth and roster so that when we get back to the playoffs we have more people better equipped for all the situations that will come the team's way? Boy I guess some people forget what happened when strome was out and chytil was forced into playing w pp1 and looked like he had no idea what was happening out there.

There is a lot of talent on this roster but you help develop talent by putting it in positions to elevate it. Top loading pp1 again to play 90 sec of each pp and basically putting pp2 out there to embarrass themselves again for 30 seconds at a clip doesn't help at all

 

[duhmetreE]

@GENESISPuck94

I honestly do not care about the PP time split. PP1 is great.

It's the even-strength usage for the kids. They have been our best line. Play them like they are our best line.

I truly believe that the "2nd line" and "3rd line" lead the way offensively, at even strength. Our "1st line" will be our matchup line.

 

[will1066]

I've definitely given up on Gauthier in our org, but that's more because of who's on our team than him. Like he definitely has more upside than Blais imo. I could see him doing well enough on a bottom feeder, he gets so many chances just based on volume he'd probably earn himself some money on Arizona. Also think a team like Boston could make something out of him, or a Colorado... Teams that have a lot of structure and very versatile players, especially teams that ID guys' strengths very well

I think "given up on Gauthier" might be the one single thing this whole entire board agrees on.

 

[TominNC]

People keep saying the 2nd and 3rd lines lead 5v5 but who led the team in even strength goals?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's 75mph I have a HockeyShot Radar that video was me going bar down each corner slapshots from about 40ft away twice in a minute span smh

Lol you sure you didnt have it set to KPH?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Lol you sure you didnt have it set to KPH?

Pls join the HFNYR fantasy pool man I need to beat you with my superior hockey knowledge

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think "given up on Gauthier" might be the one single thing this whole entire board agrees on.

Given up on him ever being a scorer but I think he could be very useful in a 4th line role. He won't get a look there because he's been typecast a certain way but he should

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[SA16]

And how does this play out when guys on PP1 are stuck out there and actually draw a penalty and then are gassed for the start of a pp. Or when a double minor happens in the playoffs and pp1 can't get it done and then the teams sends pp2 on the ice which can't even gain the blue line w possession?

How is a lefty useless in the bumper spot? Strome never onetimed shots from panarin so it has nothing to do with that at all.

Trocheck filling stromes spot is square peg round hole. You have other options here and could use trocheck on pp2. Then pp2 might actually not waste 20 seconds on every draw chasing a clear bc they lost another draw.

Is the idea here to be a good reg season team that can make the average teams look bad or is the idea to further develop the youth and roster so that when we get back to the playoffs we have more people better equipped for all the situations that will come the team's way? Boy I guess some people forget what happened when strome was out and chytil was forced into playing w pp1 and looked like he had no idea what was happening out there.

There is a lot of talent on this roster but you help develop talent by putting it in positions to elevate it. Top loading pp1 again to play 90 sec of each pp and basically putting pp2 out there to embarrass themselves again for 30 seconds at a clip doesn't help at all

Why are you concerned about uncommon situations rather than the common ones?

When that happens they will start with the second unit. If it's an important PP they will call a timeout. Some percentage of the time there will be a TV Timeout before the PP as well. It's also extremely unlikely they are all gassed as the PP1 is split up between two lines. This was already the case last year and was never an issue.

A lefty faces the wrong way in the bumper spot. He will have no impact. He's a complete non-factor to receive the puck from Panarin. Trocheck takes one timers in general. Strome never does. Have you even seen what it looked like with a lefty in the bumper on PP1 in the preseason? The player was never in position to receive a pass. They can receive one from Zibanejad but the point of the PP is to have Zibanejad shoot not to turn him into a passing threat.

Your point on the PP2 faceoffs is blatantly false. It wasn't even a problem last year. Zibanejad/Strome were a combined 51.6% on faceoffs at 5v4 last year. Goodrow+Chytil+Copp were a combined 56.0%. Maybe try doing some research next time before claiming something that can be checked in thirty seconds but this is HF so I know that's asking a lot.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Pls join the HFNYR fantasy pool man I need to beat you with my superior hockey knowledge

I'm the worst fantasy player ever.

I draft and then forget to update my shit all the time. People have gotten angry with me because I f*** up the waiver wire by not being active and never make any trades because again, I'm not active lol.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I'm the worst fantasy player ever.

I draft and then forget to update my shit all the time. People have gotten angry with me because I f*** up the waiver wire by not being active and never make any trades because again, I'm not active lol.

Lmao you can set it so it automatically updates your lineup to the statistical best line each day. Plsss you would round it out perfectly having all sorts of characters in there this year

 

[will1066]

I'm the worst fantasy player ever.

I draft and then forget to update my shit all the time. People have gotten angry with me because I f*** up the waiver wire by not being active and never make any trades because again, I'm not active lol.

Ditto

 

[TominNC]

Pls join the HFNYR fantasy pool man I need to beat you with my superior hockey knowledge

I wouldn't join a community swimming pool that you were a member of.

Besides, when it comes to hockey and fantasies, you're in your element.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I wouldn't join a community swimming pool that you were a member of.

Besides, when it comes to hockey and fantasies, you're in your element.

You’re gonna be punching holes in the wall when Kravy scores 50 goals lol

 

[bleedblue94]

Why are you concerned about uncommon situations rather than the common ones?

When that happens they will start with the second unit. If it's an important PP they will call a timeout. Some percentage of the time there will be a TV Timeout before the PP as well. It's also extremely unlikely they are all gassed as the PP1 is split up between two lines. This was already the case last year and was never an issue.

A lefty faces the wrong way in the bumper spot. He will have no impact. He's a complete non-factor to receive the puck from Panarin. Trocheck takes one timers in general. Strome never does. Have you even seen what it looked like with a lefty in the bumper on PP1 in the preseason? The player was never in position to receive a pass. They can receive one from Zibanejad but the point of the PP is to have Zibanejad shoot not to turn him into a passing threat.

Your point on the PP2 faceoffs is blatantly false. It wasn't even a problem last year. Zibanejad/Strome were a combined 51.6% on faceoffs at 5v4 last year. Goodrow+Chytil+Copp were a combined 56.0%. Maybe try doing some research next time before claiming something that can be checked in thirty seconds but this is HF so I know that's asking a lot.

Bc the playoffs literally present the uncommon, that is the nature of the battle. You keep talking about reg season stuff, I am focused on preparing for the playoffs, a deep run again, and preparing the team and players to be best suited to adjust to uncommon roles and situations that arise from injuries and exhaustion among other things. When strome gets hurt, chytil takes his place and everyone here is so excited he is getting a chance on pp1 and he looked awful and completely lost. Suddenly everyone starts complaining that pp2 guys didnt have enough ice during the season. fast forward a few months and people here start discounting why it is important to get these other guys looks.

a bumper player doesnt have to be a onetime threat, you literally just said strome had that spot and never shot the puck (and the nyr pp was elite), so you are defeating your own point about why a lefty cant occupy that space. you can have a player in that position to touch pass back to panarin to keep the box moving, to retrieve pucks on broken plays, and to maybe one day offer a high tip option for fox's shot.

You want goodrow on a powerplay unit again? is he even listed on the unit now, no, so why bring him up? copp was here for 18ish games, is he still here? I thought he signed in detroit. So who on the pp2 unit is taking draws out of kravtsov, laffy, kakko and trouba that is going to raise chytil's 43.4% fo percentage.

Try laying off the arrogance before you post stuff that isnt relevant or is demeaning/dismissive such as the above.

 

[huerter]

Why are you concerned about uncommon situations rather than the common ones?

When that happens they will start with the second unit. If it's an important PP they will call a timeout. Some percentage of the time there will be a TV Timeout before the PP as well. It's also extremely unlikely they are all gassed as the PP1 is split up between two lines. This was already the case last year and was never an issue.

A lefty faces the wrong way in the bumper spot. He will have no impact. He's a complete non-factor to receive the puck from Panarin. Trocheck takes one timers in general. Strome never does. Have you even seen what it looked like with a lefty in the bumper on PP1 in the preseason? The player was never in position to receive a pass. They can receive one from Zibanejad but the point of the PP is to have Zibanejad shoot not to turn him into a passing threat.

Your point on the PP2 faceoffs is blatantly false. It wasn't even a problem last year. Zibanejad/Strome were a combined 51.6% on faceoffs at 5v4 last year. Goodrow+Chytil+Copp were a combined 56.0%. Maybe try doing some research next time before claiming something that can be checked in thirty seconds but this is HF so I know that's asking a lot.

Half this board would be cised to have a lefty throwing shortstop.

 

[BS45]

Well since that count includes Brodzinsky, we partly agree.

If no one gets hurt in last 2 games, Brodz gets waived, Rydahl demoted.

IMHO the opinions based on preseason games, good re Rydahl and bad re Carpenter, are overheated. Vets in preseason are just getting ready.
Rydahl will get icetime eventually, but starting in AHL has zero diwnsude fir NYR, gets him games on NA ice vs NA opponents. Aint no rush.

Gauth may get traded or waived.
Possibly Reaves traded.
I dont see Hunt being waived
Carpenter hasnt played AHL any of last 5 seasons, played almost 70 NHL games 3 of last 4. He could get waived, i won't mind, but i think its way way less likely than many posters here hope.

If both Brodz and Rydahl are on opening night roster, i owe ya a beer.

I said outside the box- because I don't see this Organization keeping both Broz and Rydahl even though I think both deserve to stay over the others. The advantage to keeping Rydahl is they get twice the cap savings. They save by only having 22 on the roster and get to YoYo Rydahl and Jones on paper back and forth between Hartford and NY on off days to save extra money. that additional savings can add up quick.

 

[SA16]

Bc the playoffs literally present the uncommon, that is the nature of the battle. You keep talking about reg season stuff, I am focused on preparing for the playoffs, a deep run again, and preparing the team and players to be best suited to adjust to uncommon roles and situations that arise from injuries and exhaustion among other things. When strome gets hurt, chytil takes his place and everyone here is so excited he is getting a chance on pp1 and he looked awful and completely lost. Suddenly everyone starts complaining that pp2 guys didnt have enough ice during the season. fast forward a few months and people here start discounting why it is important to get these other guys looks.

a bumper player doesnt have to be a onetime threat, you literally just said strome had that spot and never shot the puck (and the nyr pp was elite), so you are defeating your own point about why a lefty cant occupy that space. you can have a player in that position to touch pass back to panarin to keep the box moving, to retrieve pucks on broken plays, and to maybe one day offer a high tip option for fox's shot.

You want goodrow on a powerplay unit again? is he even listed on the unit now, no, so why bring him up? copp was here for 18ish games, is he still here? I thought he signed in detroit. So who on the pp2 unit is taking draws out of kravtsov, laffy, kakko and trouba that is going to raise chytil's 43.4% fo percentage.

Try laying off the arrogance before you post stuff that isnt relevant or is demeaning/dismissive such as the above.

"The playoffs present the uncommon"

Zibanejad+Strome took 81% of the teams playoff faceoffs (among guys who are centers). They took 75% in the regular season. I suppose you could say they are uncommon. Uncommonly heavier usage to the top guys. Good work. I take it you also haven’t heard of the extremely advanced hockey strategy which would involve Goodrow being on the ice for the faceoff and then going to the bench after it?

I am going to have to end this conversation here because I am not going to waste my time arguing with someone who can't take the thirty seconds to look things up themselves before spouting objective falsities.

 

[eco's bones]

I don't buy that.

I understand wanting to have someone responsible but to sacrifice 20-40 seconds of a PP for what might happen after it expires is bad.... Almost as bad as putting your 4th line on the ice with 15 seconds left on the PP.... he does that too.

KAM> Trouba
Jones > Trouba
2 minutes of Fox > Trouba

I believe he gets it because of status/tenure. He's a team leader and getting paid $8M.... it's also how Turk rolls... I get it.. In Turk's mind, what has Jones done in the NHL to overtake Trouba? Everyone and their mother knows Jones is a better option.... but we ignore it because reasons...

If I’m an opposing coach and the other team has 4 young forwards and an inexperienced young D when my guy gets sprung out of the penalty box I’m trying to exploit that situation plain and simple. It’s not so much Jones is the problem with this alignment as my preference is to have 2D on the ice when teams transition back to 5v5. Jones on the second unit would be more key to success than say Kravtsov would. Zac has a ppqb’s mentality but at least most situations like that Trouba should be out there too so that at least someone will be thinking about defense.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

PP2: The Daycare Unit

#FireGallant

 

[TominNC]

You’re gonna be punching holes in the wall when Kravy scores 50 goals lol

I'm still waiting for you to accept the bet