Training camp

[Irishguy42]

I too get mad about a power play unit that will see only 20 seconds of ice time each PP. With how good PP1 is....

 

[Machinehead]

I too am mad that the Rangers are doing *check notes* the same thing that led to them having a top-5 powerplay unit in the league last year. The horror.

I'd have Jones at PP2QB instead of Trouba, but it's largely irrelevant anyways. The best powerplays in the league play their top unit way more than their second unit and for good reason.

We were top 5 because our top unit is historically good.

The second unit is a joke, mostly because of Trouba.

 

[Machinehead]

Guys, Trouba being on PP2 prevented us from taking a 3-0 lead over Tampa.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Guys, Trouba being on PP2 prevented us from taking a 3-0 lead over Tampa.

Yeah when people say that its not worth getting worried over small stuff, its things like this and Kevin Rooney in game 5 that I like to point to that say otherwise.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Should be:
PP1
Zibanejad - Kreider - Kravtsov
Panarin - Fox
PP2
Trocheck - Chytil - Kakko
Lafreniere - Jones

Would give PP1 that one time option with Krav too, currently they don’t have one because Trocheck (right handed) and Kreider fill the same role

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

f***ing knock it the f*** off with Trouba on the PP.

Should be Key.

 

[tomobson]

I don't like Trouba on the pp but if Laf is playing his regular LD spot this time around I think he'll be the one with the puck on his stick the most.

 

[ElLeetch]

PP2: The Daycare Unit

Trouba is the Steve Harrington of the PowerPlay

 

[SA16]

This is so f***ing stupid, pp2 is going to be irrelevant again...

Yes. The point is to win games. Not to feel better about the PP2. Improving the PP2 makes you less likely to win games since you downgrade the PP1. Putting Laf, or Kakko, on PP1 would make the unit much worse since a lefty is entirely useless in that role.

 

[TGWL]

The problem with PP2 isn't really that it doesn't play. Most teams go along the lines of a 1:30/0:30 split and we're bang average in terms of how we distribute time.

The problem with PP2 is that it sucks complete ass because it's quarterbacked by Jacob Trouba who is the worst PP defenseman I've ever seen play for this team full-time.

He's a skating time-bomb; a matter of seconds before he causes a shorthanded goal or a 4v4. I would rather have Lindgren there, nevermind Miller or Jones.

They really like Trouba's clapper. But few goals are scored that way in today's NHL. Not to mention you have to hit the net with a good shot. The decision making and opening space for your teammates is not something Trouba has.

With that said, I think the other problem with our PP2 over other teams is that you have a bunch of players you want to see take the next level, those players could benefit from getting 15 or so powerplay points on the year, but unfortunately they don't get that opportunity with the allocated minutes.

You have Laf, Kakko, Chytil and Kravtsov who could gain more confidence by scoring more, and suddenly an additional 15 points on the season doesn't make production look as bad. But those aren't our best powerplay players. You can't not have Kredier, Zib, Panarin, and Fox eating most of minutes trying to score when you're officially trying to win. So it's a tough spot but that's how we built the team.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'm gonna shooooooot

 

[EdJovanovski]

Should be Key.

I think Key is much better in transition offense than cycling on a PP, he’s a little clumsy. Jones is the best for the job imo

 

[gravey9]

Willing to bet the Rangers keep Carpenter and send Rydahl down cause they can. The real issue is they have only 5 centers that can play in the NHL right now and that includes Carpenter and Rydahl. 6 if you think Brodzinski is an option. But this is likely the only reason Rydahl may not make it over Carpenter. We have really poor depth. And we have no centers in the A or anywhere else that can truly fill in in an offensive role if we lose 1-2 top 6 centers at the same time. I mean, I would guess most NHL teams are in a similar predicament. But a really smart move for the team is for them to start finding minutes at center for Laffy and maybe Kravtsov. Obviously we know Kreids can take a faceoff. But yeah, if one of our highly skilled wings can also play center when necessary it will greatly deepen the lineup. For example, in 94, when the Rangers won, Kovalev played some center, Graves could easily have played center if needed, and their fourth line had MacTavish and Hudson -- If I remember correctly, Hudson played center as well.

But back to Rydahl, in an ideal world, he would also be on that fourth line even if Carpenter makes it. Rydahl is easily better as a 4th line option than most of the wings vying for those spots. And it gives the team more flexibility to have another center in the lineup. But, it's moot. Rydahl is going to go to the A at first until Carpenter proves for the umteenth time that he's not very good at anything. Not my favorite move, but I understand the logic. I would sooner take my chances sending Carpy through waivers, but that's me.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I think Key is much better in transition offense than cycling on a PP, he’s a little clumsy. Jones is the best for the job imo

I wouldn't hate Jones there at all. Def better than Trouba.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Willing to bet the Rangers keep Carpenter and send Rydahl down cause they can. The real issue is they have only 5 centers that can play in the NHL right now and that includes Carpenter and Rydahl. 6 if you think Brodzinski is an option. But this is likely the only reason Rydahl may not make it over Carpenter. We have really poor depth. And we have no centers in the A or anywhere else that can truly fill in in an offensive role if we lose 1-2 top 6 centers at the same time. I mean, I would guess most NHL teams are in a similar predicament. But a really smart move for the team is for them to start finding minutes at center for Laffy and maybe Kravtsov. Obviously we know Kreids can take a faceoff. But yeah, if one of our highly skilled wings can also play center when necessary it will greatly deepen the lineup. For example, in 94, when the Rangers won, Kovalev played some center, Graves could easily have played center if needed, and their fourth line had MacTavish and Hudson -- If I remember correctly, Hudson played center as well.

But back to Rydahl, in an ideal world, he would also be on that fourth line even if Carpenter makes it. Rydahl is easily better as a 4th line option than most of the wings vying for those spots. And it gives the team more flexibility to have another center in the lineup. But, it's moot. Rydahl is going to go to the A at first until Carpenter proves for the umteenth time that he's not very good at anything. Not my favorite move, but I understand the logic. I would sooner take my chances sending Carpy through waivers, but that's me.

Agree completely.

They wont let Carpenter go on waivers because of his history with Gallant, PK and overall past NHL experience. I feel like most GMs would make that decision, in addition to the cap ramifications/waiver exempt status of Rydahl. Maybe Carpenter will come around and show us what his real value is. But I have a feeling we will be waiting in vain for that.

I get the decisions they will be making, but in the end you aren't icing the best roster possible. Which to me is kinda silly and makes the idea of a training camp competitions irrelevant.

All I hope for is that they come to this realization early enough in the year to get Rydahl in the lineup and in enough games to get him to the point where he gets the experience needed going into the playoffs.

There are always several effective lower line guys that come out of nowhere around league and Rydahl could be one of them. Usually we see these types of players pop up on other squads and not on the Rangers. They have an opportunity to be one of those teams this year if they dont get stubborn

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Krav with the @EdJovanovski level of muffins.

 

[huerter]

Should be:
PP1
Zibanejad - Kreider - Kravtsov
Panarin - Fox
PP2
Trocheck - Chytil - Kakko
Lafreniere - Jones

Would give PP1 that one time option with Krav too, currently they don’t have one because Trocheck (right handed) and Kreider fill the same role

This can't be a real thought. Trocheck being right handed is the reason why HE HAS TO be on pp1

 

[TheDirtyH]

Someone mentioned it earlier but I actually liked the idea of Brodzinski getting a shot with Kredier and Zibanejad. He's got the right tools to work there imo. Quick, responsible, shoot-first but with enough vision to make plays. He's a center so he can help out with draws.

Obviously won't happen, but I don't mind the thought. He kinda resembles like a mix of Zuccarello and Vatrano in the way he plays. Don't think he'd be a world beater, but if your other options are 2022 Jimmy Vesey, Goodrow, or Blais, then it's not like we're talking about a player well behind them on the depth chart.

 

[huerter]

Krav with the @EdJovanovski level of muffins.

Those dipsy dos don't mean S in the royal road revolution. Very concerning.

 

[duhmetreE]

Krav with the @EdJovanovski level of muffins.

is he shooting with a broken stick?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Krav with the @EdJovanovski level of muffins.

This was probably satire. If you took one line from an early Soviet-era postmodern satirist playwrite with a veneer of the francophone absurdism of the late 1600's it wouldn't make much sense would it? If you took a tiny 1"x1" section of a renaissance painting it wouldn't make sense either. You can't just take 38 second clip and deduct anything from it when it comes to Krav. It will take YEARS for people to dissect this video and truly understand what he was doing. Through the eyes of a 2022 hockey fan, sure maybe he fanned on some of those shots. But in a few hundred years people will finally understand what he meant by it, it's provocative and meant to get people talking.

 

[will1066]

Someone mentioned it earlier but I actually liked the idea of Brodzinski getting a shot with Kredier and Zibanejad. He's got the right tools to work there imo. Quick, responsible, shoot-first but with enough vision to make plays. He's a center so he can help out with draws.

Obviously won't happen, but I don't mind the thought. He kinda resembles like a mix of Zuccarello and Vatrano in the way he plays. Don't think he'd be a

world beater, but if your other options are 2022 Jimmy Vesey, Goodrow, or Blais, then it's not like we're talking about a player well behind them on the depth chart.

Goodrow makes multiple millions of dollars a year, which is multiple times what Brodz makes/would make. The latter is well behind. Well behind.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Krav with the @EdJovanovski level of muffins.

Reminds me of that video of Jack Hughes attempting one timers. That's not a compliment lol

 

[Fitzy]

The PP2 needs a right handed shot but you hope that ultimately becomes Trocheck and not Trouba.

For now though? Jones is gonna be playing only about 14 a game if he doesn't get special teams.

 

[will1066]

is he shooting with a broken stick?

JFC this is barely above Strome replacement level