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He's no worse than Desharnais.There's no way you can walk into the stat of the season with Josh Brown playing regular minutes
He's no worse than Desharnais.There's no way you can walk into the stat of the season with Josh Brown playing regular minutes
Oil have pre-purchased their trade deadline depth d-men with Brown and Stetcher. Giving them x3 and x2 terms protects against waiver claim action and their differing styles gives 3rd pair and 7th D versatility. Emberson's age, possible latent ability, and ufa status likely gets him first shot at 2RD until trade deadline upgrade.I mean they signed him to a 3 year deal and he brings something to the table that we sorely lack especially with Kane out of the lineup. I doubt that he's much of a downgrade from Vinny.
I believe those are realistic expectations... that's the bar. I wonder what Desharnais stat line would have looked like last season in Arizona as a stay at home defensive defenseman? Brown is s a good interview.He's no worse than Desharnais.
Analytically Josh Brown is arguably the worst defender to play regular minutes last year.He's no worse than Desharnais.
He hasn’t really played on a good team yet. Let’s just see what he can do, I’m not writing anyone off yetAnalytically Josh Brown is arguably the worst defender to play regular minutes last year.
He is physical but he is awful at hockey.
He is a 7D arguably an AHL tweener.
Only by analytics that ignore all context.Analytically Josh Brown is arguably the worst defender to play regular minutes last year.
He is physical but he is awful at hockey.
He is a 7D arguably an AHL tweener.
Let's keep the discussion here to training camp. Anything that doesn't fit into other threads can go in the OT thread.
You sir are SOL! Take it to the OT thread Bub!Well f***.
I came into this training camp thread looking exclusively for ways to solve countless complex City planning issues and now you’ve gone and ended that…..
Pretty sure I saw him destroy somebody in a fight the one and only time I remember watching him.Hes probably just the #7. Probably will come in for certain matchups. We will see. I know nothing about him. I wasn’t too enthusiastic to watch Coyotes games personally.
He hasn’t really played on a good team yet. Let’s just see what he can do, I’m not writing anyone off yet
The analytics that compare him to his teammates show the same too. He got easy minutes and still did bad. Mostly saw bottom comp and did bad.Only by analytics that ignore all context.
If we are playing games with both Brown and Kemp in the lineup, Ekholm and Bouchard are going to be over worked lolI think this is the only point where I'm not going to completely write him off. He didn't get into many games with them, but Boston fans seemed to like what he brought back in 2022 after getting traded there at the TDL.
Still, I have him on the outside looking in. But considering history says Stecher and Dermott are made of glass, and Emberson struggled to stay healthy last year (though he was fine in college and the AHL), I wouldn't be surprised to see Brown or Kemp pushed into service.
Relative Corsi -8, worst on the teamOnly by analytics that ignore all context.
I forget. Who did he play for?Analytically Josh Brown is arguably the worst defender to play regular minutes last year.
He is physical but he is awful at hockey.
He is a 7D arguably an AHL tweener.
These are the exact analytics I'm talking about that lack any context.Relative Corsi -8, worst on the team
Relative Fenwick -7.1, second worse, Dermott worse
xGF Relarive -6, second worst on team, Dermott worse
This is a player while seeing the easiest minutes against the easiest comps did worse than Arizonas out of their element top4 d against much better competition.
He is a bad player, full stop.
The analytics that compare him to his teammates show the same too. He got easy minutes and still did bad. Mostly saw bottom comp and did bad.
We are taking a#6/7 d from the worst defence in the league and throwing them on our third pairing. He’s not good. He and Dermott are similar level players. Dudes 30 he isn’t some young dude with potential.
If we are playing games with both Brown and Kemp in the lineup, Ekholm and Bouchard are going to be over worked lol
These are the exact analytics I'm talking about that lack any context.
Player A plays with Durzi while getting a big offensive zone push then plays with Brown with a big defensive zone push. Player A is obviously going to have better numbers with Durzi in the offensive zone, but relative stats tell you that none of that matters and it's all Brown's fault.
Relative stats are completely useless when comparing players with different usages and it's the reason why every one number model by Twitter analytics "experts" that's based entirely on those numbers are laughed at by actual analytics people.
He only wants 10 from the Bruins. There is really bad blood there. He would take less elsewhere.No, Swayman wants 10 sheets.
He was a bottom pairing limited use defender on a bad team and looked bad.I forget. Who did he play for?
Brown is a limited use bottom pairing defender who played against bottom competition and did bad at it.These are the exact analytics I'm talking about that lack any context.
Player A plays with Durzi while getting a big offensive zone push then plays with Brown with a big defensive zone push. Player A is obviously going to have better numbers with Durzi in the offensive zone, but relative stats tell you that none of that matters and it's all Brown's fault.
Relative stats are completely useless when comparing players with different usages and it's the reason why every one number model by Twitter analytics "experts" that's based entirely on those numbers are laughed at by actual analytics people.
Desharnais played 4% more of his ice time vs elites than Brown did last year according to PuckIQ numbers.Desharnais got exclusively tough defensive minutes and PK minutes, until he was injured in the playoffs. Before we had Desharnais on the big team, we were literally losing constantly and had no effective PK, and were about to slip out of playoff contention. Woodcroft brought him up and it stabilized our entire team defence.
He gets injured in the playoffs and loses his slot for a few games and suddenly hes chopped liver. You can’t buy what Desharnais brings Defensively with a RHD. It doesn’t exist on the market, and Josh Brown, for less than half the money, is way less than half the player. He cannot be trusted against elites - Desharnais often was in a pinch. Good luck out there with your fantasy roster mister.
P.S. this isn’t to say im rooting against Josh Brown or anything, I’m deeply invested in him playing the best hockey of his career because our season kind of depends on it at this point. When it comes to right-side defenders to put out against elites.. we have nothing much. Elite teams will take advantage of every hole. If Josh Brown can take a step forward somehow at his advanced age, it would be a miracle for us. Let’s go Josh Brown. (But as another poster pointed out he was analytically the worst d-man in the NHL so it seems kinda stupid to assume he can help- this signing is likely more like the Corey Perry signing. A warm body being paid more than league min. that ultimately costs ‘Dylan Holloway types’ Their slots- we needed to pinch every penny)
That's not what relative stats do at all.He was a bottom pairing limited use defender on a bad team and looked bad.
Brown is a limited use bottom pairing defender who played against bottom competition and did bad at it.
Relative stats basically show who is doing their role well and who is not. Brown was doing bad at playing as a bottom pairing defender. That’s what it shows. He was a worse bottom pairing defender than a guy like Kesselring or Stetcher was a second pair guy. You can say I’m ignoring context but where is l it really any context that shows he isn’t a bad player outside of your feelings? I haven’t seen a single person who has actually watched him play in any real sample size not say he sucks.
Bad player by your standards*Relative Corsi -8, worst on the team
Relative Fenwick -7.1, second worse, Dermott worse
xGF Relarive -6, second worst on team, Dermott worse
This is a player while seeing the easiest minutes against the easiest comps did worse than Arizonas out of their element top4 d against much better competition.
He is a bad player, full stop.