GDT: Training Camp Discussion PART III

[NMacrules]

Ahead of who?

Does it matter? Its moot, he is not a leaf anymore

 

[zeke]

Does it matter? Its moot, he is not a leaf anymore

It matters if we're comparing the "no depth" leafs to the "super deep" Panthers.

 

[D4ngleSZN]

What is the split going to be like between Campbell and Mrazek

 

[LeafSteel]

It matters if we're comparing the "no depth" leafs to the "super deep" Panthers.

Funny how that works, isn't it??

 

[Ashdown2]

Marincin no longer in the system.

https://www.sportsforecaster.com/nhl/depth-chart/l.nhl.com-t.15/Toronto_Maple_Leafs

yes i know ...

someone said we were 1 injury away from the defense being as bad as 2015-16........ marincin played 65 games for that team back then
how many injuries would this squad need to suffer for someone like marincin to be a full time player ? i would even argue that our 10th dman biega is better than marcin was back then

 

[Tarmore]

Very true but keep in mind those 6 teams (actually 5 because he didn't have to face McDavid and Drai on the PP) are the only teams we faced. It's very easy to have skewed stats. Pasta Stamkos Kuch Ovechkin Mackinnon etc etc can regress your stats very quick even though the average PP you face will be around the middle mark. So for example that average ~16 includes having to face some elite PPs whereas the ~19 is ONLY 19 calibre PPs.

Also have to assume the bad PPs will sometimes light you up since perfection is impossible so accumulate that altogether and I think most people will take the regression bet.

I ONLY averaged out the 5 teams and stats you listed, they didn't include Edmonton, though not 100% sure we should exclude then as he did face them. Sounds kinds cherry pickin-ish to me.

 

[PromisedLand]

Okay I am a bit more happier now. Basically unless Dermott steps it up soon, Liljegren will take his spot. Personally that same logic should apply to Sandin too, but I'll take it.

This is terrible evaluation of talent by the coaching staff IMO

on what grounds has sandin shown "more consistency" compared to dermott?

- sandin has been allowed more leeway in terms of making mistakes and still not being held accountable while this has not been afforded to both demott and Lily

without accountability and playing favourites is a recipe for toxic locker room

 

[PromisedLand]

i think i am leaning that way as well ... seems more engaged

contract year for both Engvall and Mikheyev... I'd expect both of them to play for that next contract; does that mean cheating for offense? I am not sure as I did not watch much of the pre-season.

 

[LeafChief]

This is terrible evaluation of talent by the coaching staff IMO

on what grounds has sandin shown "more consistency" compared to dermott?

- sandin has been allowed more leeway in terms of making mistakes and still not being held accountable while this has not been afforded to both demott and Lily

without accountability and playing favourites is a recipe for toxic locker room

Talk about an overreaction. Holy moly.

 

[Smif]

i think i am leaning that way as well ... seems more engaged

Mikheyev got a golden opportunity because he complained, not because he showed us anything imo.

 

[Apex Predator]

oh no, freddy is gonna be mad!!! lol who caressssss.

reading that reminded me of this lol:

Mr.Burns is Keefe and Smithers is Dubas

 

[crump]

This is terrible evaluation of talent by the coaching staff IMO

on what grounds has sandin shown "more consistency" compared to dermott?

- sandin has been allowed more leeway in terms of making mistakes and still not being held accountable while this has not been afforded to both demott and Lily

without accountability and playing favourites is a recipe for toxic locker room

Locker room should be all business this year after that playoff, I’m sure Keefe gives a rat’s ass about feelings.

Doubt Reilly is going to stay after this season, so with a veteran D core of Muzzin and Brodie left we’re going to need all 3 of those young guys to take a step this year. Holl is not the answer for the future either.

Keefe is probably saying the same thing to all of Sandin, Dermott and Lijegren. Play your best, be better than the next guy and work towards increasing your potential.

 

[djdev]

This is terrible evaluation of talent by the coaching staff IMO

on what grounds has sandin shown "more consistency" compared to dermott?

- sandin has been allowed more leeway in terms of making mistakes and still not being held accountable while this has not been afforded to both demott and Lily

without accountability and playing favourites is a recipe for toxic locker room

dermott has 208 games in the league, sandin has 29, lily 13. so ye, one of these things is not like the others. but sandin definitely has been given more leeway than lily. dermott should be a separate coversation though.

 

[FreeBird]

This is terrible evaluation of talent by the coaching staff IMO

on what grounds has sandin shown "more consistency" compared to dermott?

- sandin has been allowed more leeway in terms of making mistakes and still not being held accountable while this has not been afforded to both demott and Lily

without accountability and playing favourites is a recipe for toxic locker room

How many turn overs did Reilly have way too many as usual

 

[TheScandal89]

What is the split going to be like between Campbell and Mrazek

I dont think anyone knows until we see how they perform and if they can avoid injuried. Im going to assume if both play well itd be about 50-55 for the starter and 27-32 for the back up.

With that said Campbell has never played more then 31 games in a season and Mrazek hasnt played more 40 games in several years

 

[Menzinger]

This is terrible evaluation of talent by the coaching staff IMO

on what grounds has sandin shown "more consistency" compared to dermott?

- sandin has been allowed more leeway in terms of making mistakes and still not being held accountable while this has not been afforded to both demott and Lily.

without accountability and playing favourites is a recipe for toxic locker room

Dermott is an older player - he should have less leeway to make mistakes since he should have learned those lessons already.

Dermott still has the raw tools to be a top 4 D man, but he's running out of time to finally solidify himself as one.

 

[LeafChief]

Leafs put Brooks on waivers.

 

[stickty111]

Brooks on waivers still. Surprising

 

[LeafChief]

Brooks on waivers still. Surprising

Seems Amadio/Semyonov will get a chance over Brooks.

 

[stickty111]

Seems Amadio/Semyonov will get a chance over Brooks.

Strange

 

[taurine330]

With the pre-season over, just want to give props to an excellent pre-season from Amadio. Not only did he look great out there, his stats are off the charts:

Out of the 582 forwards to play at least 20 5v5 minutes in the pre-season:

TOI: 41:16

CF%: 76.80 (3rd out of 582)
SF%: 88.13: (1st out of 582)
xGF%: 83.29 (1st out of 582)
GF%: 100.00 (3-0)

Not sure his skating is up to par with NHL standards but he's certainly thrown himself into the mix with his smarts/hands/vision

And he earned a roster spot.

 

[LeafChief]

Strange

And he earned a roster spot.

Believe it or not, Amadio is actually younger than Brooks by a few days. Brooks is older than Marner and Matthews as well.

 

[kerk]

so many former leafs on waivers today

 

[LeafChief]

There is a ton of decent quality on waivers today (Barre-Boulet/Leivo to name a few). I think Brooks clears.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Amadio had a good preseason, but not enough to give him a spot at the risk of losing Brooks