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GDT: Training Camp Discussion PART III

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I like our team, a lot.

The thing that scares me, though?

An injury to one of Brodie or Muzzin and our defense is atrocious, like, 2015-2016 bad.
 
zeke said:
Deets plz
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He just said something along the lines that our PK was better than the stats last year, that with Campbell in the net it was around 90% which would have been number one in the league, and it seemed like he stressed "with Campbell"... I know it isn't a direct insult, but he basically just said Andersen sucked.
 
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notbias said:
He just said something along the lines that our PK was better than the stats last year, that with Campbell in the net it was around 90% which would have been number one in the league, and it seemed like he stressed "with Campbell"... I know it isn't a direct insult, but he basically just said Andersen sucked.
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Oh yeah that's the good stuff.

 
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notbias said:
He just said something along the lines that our PK was better than the stats last year, that with Campbell in the net it was around 90% which would have been number one in the league, and it seemed like he stressed "with Campbell"... I know it isn't a direct insult, but he basically just said Andersen sucked.
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Watching that Amazon show he did seem frustrated with Andersen last season and even got into it with the goalie coach a little bit about him not making saves.
 
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zeke said:
Some goalies of interest this preseason:

SEA Grubauer 2gms, .959
TBL Vasilevskiy 1gms, .957
TOR Mrazek 3gms, .933
BOS Swayman 3gms, .932
FLA Knight 2gms, .920
CAR Andersen 2gms, .907
TOR Campbell 3gms, .904
FLA Bobrovsky 2gms, .892
VGK Lehner 2gms, .889
COL Francouz 2gms, .889
COL Kuemper 3gms, .882
MTL Primeau 2gms, .875
MTL Allen 3gms, .868
BOS Ullmark 3gms, .839
CAR Raanta 2gms, .831
TBL Elliott 3gms, .828
SEA Driedger 1gms, .783
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.783? Did anyone check to make sure Driedger was facing the right way? Maybe he had Snow-Blindness? That happened to me once, it was terrible. (Only lasted about 10 mins but I had no center vision)
 
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Sandin is clearly the most talented of the bottom pairing guys, but he does have a gambling style coupled with mediocre skating that can limit his overall effectiveness. Dermott is clearly the safest option with minimal upside, and Liljegren is a bit of a middle ground between the two. I don't understand where the notion that Liljegren has been by far the best option is coming from, but it's not really true. They've all looked good in their own ways

Other than that, there's not really much up for debate. The whole team has looked good and players seem motivated and competitive
 
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notbias said:
He just said something along the lines that our PK was better than the stats last year, that with Campbell in the net it was around 90% which would have been number one in the league, and it seemed like he stressed "with Campbell"... I know it isn't a direct insult, but he basically just said Andersen sucked.
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I mean, he's not wrong. Our PK was top 5-10 in pretty much every category except save percentage, where we were bottom 5.

Andersen had a .793 save percentage on the PK. 2nd worst out of anyone playing significant minutes. Campbell had a .913, which was top 5 in the league. Rittich, although he mostly played with CGY, was 3rd worst in the league with a .808... A full 15 points higher than Andersen. Hart, FTR, was the worst with a .781, but he had a historically awful season for Philly.

For those wondering, Mrazek was tied with Campbell with a .913. #1 was Halak with a .924, followed by Lehner with a .918, Adin Hill with a .915, and then Campbell + Mrazek with .913's.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
I mean, he's not wrong. Our PK was top 5-10 in pretty much every category except save percentage, where we were bottom 5.

Andersen had a .793 save percentage on the PK. 2nd worst out of anyone playing significant minutes. Campbell had a .913, which was top 5 in the league. Rittich, although he mostly played with CGY, was 3rd worst in the league with a .808... A full 15 points higher than Andersen. Hart, FTR, was the worst with a .781, but he had a historically awful season for Philly.

For those wondering, Mrazek was tied with Campbell with a .913. #1 was Halak with a .924, followed by Lehner with a .918, Adin Hill with a .915, and then Campbell + Mrazek with .913's.
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To play devils advocate to keep things spicy, Campbell only had to play Oilers PP once.....You read that correctly. Once

Rest of them were spread across Habs(17th best pp) Canucks(25th besT) Sens (26th best) Flames (21st best) and Jets (finally some good news -- 7th best)

Expect a huge regression next season. The entire leagues PPs are now in the mix.
 
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notbias said:
He just said something along the lines that our PK was better than the stats last year, that with Campbell in the net it was around 90% which would have been number one in the league, and it seemed like he stressed "with Campbell"... I know it isn't a direct insult, but he basically just said Andersen sucked.
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Keefe saying shit like that is going to light a fire under Freddy when Carolina comes to town.
 
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To play devils advocate to keep things spicy, Campbell only had to play Oilers PP once.....You read that correctly. Once

Rest of them were spread across Habs(17th best pp) Canucks(25th besT) Sens (26th best) Flames (21st best) and Jets (finally some good news -- 7th best)

Expect a huge regression next season. The entire leagues PPs are now in the mix.
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That's actually not too bad those placements average out to 19.2. With a 32 team league we should be facing the an average of about 16 (depending on where the Leaf's PP ranks). There isn't a traditionally a huge difference between 19th and 16th place PP I think.
 
Gabriel426 said:
It was a gamble bc Keefe wants to get Sandin a game or two when he could afford. Ofcourse the results didn’t reflect that.
Let’s say Dermott played and Leafs advanced two rounds. Then one of the Dman got injured against Vegas Sandin filled in without playing any games for like two weeks.
I am not saying I agree with what Keefe did in Game 5 but I can see his reasons.
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But if that was his rational, it just highlights another example his inexperience and inability to read a situation.

He had a "fragile" team that was on the verge of exorcising their demons, it was not the time for line up changes.

He pulled the same nonsense against CBJ. Coming off a massive boost in Game 4, he inserts AJ and moves Nylander to centre. It was beyond foolish.

* I realize you are not defending it, so this isn't a jab at you.
 
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Tarmore said:
That's actually not too bad those placements average out to 19.2. With a 32 team league we should be facing the an average of about 16 (depending on where the Leaf's PP ranks). There isn't a traditionally a huge difference between 19th and 16th place PP I think.
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Very true but keep in mind those 6 teams (actually 5 because he didn't have to face McDavid and Drai on the PP) are the only teams we faced. It's very easy to have skewed stats. Pasta Stamkos Kuch Ovechkin Mackinnon etc etc can regress your stats very quick even though the average PP you face will be around the middle mark. So for example that average ~16 includes having to face some elite PPs whereas the ~19 is ONLY 19 calibre PPs.

Also have to assume the bad PPs will sometimes light you up since perfection is impossible so accumulate that altogether and I think most people will take the regression bet.
 
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With the pre-season over, just want to give props to an excellent pre-season from Amadio. Not only did he look great out there, his stats are off the charts:

Out of the 582 forwards to play at least 20 5v5 minutes in the pre-season:

TOI: 41:16

CF%: 76.80 (3rd out of 582)
SF%: 88.13: (1st out of 582)
xGF%: 83.29 (1st out of 582)
GF%: 100.00 (3-0)

Not sure his skating is up to par with NHL standards but he's certainly thrown himself into the mix with his smarts/hands/vision
 
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Well, jack was without question our best performing goalie last season, and Edmonton only mustered 20% against us on the pp (well below their season average) not even hardly facing him. This is actually arguable as a positive
 
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