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GDT: Training Camp Discussion PART III

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Dion TheFluff said:
any idea what the lines are?
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tonight? Most likely:

Mikheyev - Tavares - Nylander
Ritchie - Brooks - Marner
Kerfoot - Kampf - Kase
Bunting - Spezza - Simmonds

Those were the line combos the previous pre-season games, so possible Keefe changes it up. Obviously, Brooks filler for Matthews.

Rielly - Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Sandin - Dermott

is the D
 
"Keefe has talked to Dermott about taking the next step."

Has anyone talked to Keefe about taking the next step?
 
I firmly maintain, year over year roster comparisons should be taken from the same point in the respective season. If you want to compare our opening night roster this season, that means you should be comparing to opening night roster from last year.

if you want to compare a post trade deadline team from last year to this year we have to give the management the same time in season to make adjustments and deadline acquisitions
 
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Kiwi said:
That's absolute bull****

The vast majority on here thought we were a good team last season even if some of us thought the division left something to be desired and the vast majority still think we are a playoff team in an extremely competitive division this year
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All Zeke said is that plenty of people here think we are a bubble team and that’s very true. You see it come up repeatedly every day and a lot of those same people question last season as well. Even if most here don’t agree with that viewpoint, it’s not a small contingent that thinks that way
 
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Sypher04 said:
All Zeke said is that plenty of people here think we are a bubble team and that’s very true. You see it come up repeatedly every day and a lot of those same people question last season as well. Even if most here don’t agree with that viewpoint, it’s not a small contingent that thinks that way
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Bubble team in the best conference in hockey isn't a bad thing to be

If we played in the West which is a big joke we'd be best to 4th best team in the conference

In the eastern conference we can end with 100 points and be behind

Tampa/boston/flordia/Canes/Pens

100 pts could be a wildcard 1 or 2 team in the East while 100 points would win the pacific and get you 2nd in the Central this year most likely. Leads in the West would be a 110+ team. The West only has 2-3 playoff contenders while the east has 8-10 including the leafs (though obviously Tampa is in a class of their own)

Leafs should be 100-105 point good hopefully closer to 105 as thatll get us a sure fire top 3 seed in Atlantic
 
Ritchie-Matthews-Marner
Mikheyev-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Kampf-Kase
Bunting-Brooks-Spezza
Simmonds (Semyonov)

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Sandin-Liljegren
Dermott (Biega)

Campbell
Mrazek

vs

Thornton-Matthews-Marner
Vesey-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Hyman
Barabanov-Spezza-Simmonds
Engvall (Brooks)

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian
Lehtonen (Sandin)

Andersen
Campbell

I included next man up in brackets for both rosters, IMO those are damn near equal calibre rosters. This years maybe has some different skill sets, but also some players will inevitably disappoint like Thornton did.
 
Sypher04 said:
All Zeke said is that plenty of people here think we are a bubble team and that’s very true. You see it come up repeatedly every day and a lot of those same people question last season as well. Even if most here don’t agree with that viewpoint, it’s not a small contingent that thinks that way
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I still don't see it. There's a gang war between a select crowd (I been lurking for months before posting) and the views in those gang wars get generalized to the entire board. I will hold firm that people who are upset with the Leafs, see the North as weak, hate Marner etc. etc. would never bet against this team succeeding in the regular season. The gang wars get heated so things get escalated.
 
Guided by Veseys said:
The only team that was expected to be “bad” in the North last year was Ottawa… and they were surprisingly pretty good (except against Edmonton).

There was only one team with a sub .500 record the year previously and that was Ottawa. It was a tough, extremely balanced division that contained just one elite team and no actual bad teams.
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I did the math a while back and based on the previous season's standings, there was one division that was by far the strongest and the other three were about the same. So while it's fair to say that our division was weak, it wasn't terrible or anything. Three quarters of the teams in the NHL were in divisions of roughly the same strength so it's no big issue really.

Cap'n Flavour said:
I'm not very confident in Mrazek but he would really have to shit the bed to be as bad as Freddy was last season.
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True enough. The big question is how will our goaltending hold up in the playoffs. Campbell was really good for us in the last playoffs so I guess there's reason to be optimistic, if not exactly confident.
 
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SprDaVE said:
People tend to forget we were playing Vesey and Boyd into big situations. Vesey was a top 6 for awhile. They were waived eventually but they had a longer impact than Foligno and Galchenyuk.

So Ritchie, Bunting, Kase and Kampf for Hyman, Thornton, Vesey/Galchenyuk and Boyd. 3 of those are pretty solid upgrades, 1 is a pretty big downgrade.

Foligno just didn't play enough to have any sort of impact and I don't know why he's mentioned.
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Foligno cost the Leafs their 1st round pick and a pair of mid round picks, so this was no insignificant addition. The fact he had little to no impact and then walked away is another issue.

Instead of paying Foligno his $3.8 mil to keep and re-sign him the Leafs chose Ritchie and Kase for $3.75 mil cap instead for similar cap.

So that is why Foligno is an Out and Kase and Ritchie are In. Both Toronto and Boston made this decision to impact the Atlantic Div rosters this year accordingly via addition and subtraction.

As far as cap usage goes instead of Hyman @ $5.5 mil resigned and thus Out, Leafs chose Ritchie @$2.5 mil and Kase at $1.25 mil & Kampf @ $1.5 mil [$5.25 mil combined] as In instead, and then let Foligno and Galchenyuk walk as you have to balance players Out vs In for team roster limit reason. Bunting's cap hit is essentially replacing Joe Thornton's roster spot and cap usage.

Freddy Out at $4.5 mil vs Mrazak @ $3.8 mil In saved the Leafs $700k and with Bogosian leaving it allowed Leafs to resign Dermott for $1.5 mil as RFA and promote Liljegren to replace Bobo on the roster as Dermott was already there just at a lower cost previously.
 
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Smif said:
While I agree Hyman is better than Ritchie I like the fit more with Ritchie on the first line with AM & MM.

Bogo to me is the big loss.
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If Richie shows up enough, plays a heavier game than Hyman, and scores a few dirty goals, most will forget about letting Hyman walk for nothing. Of course they will still need to win, or it could get ugly.
 
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Mess said:
Foligno cost the Leafs their 1st round pick and a pair of mid round picks, so this was no insignificant addition. The fact he had little to no impact and then walked away is another issue.

Instead of paying Foligno his $3.8 mil to keep and re-sign him the Leafs chose Ritchie and Kase for $3.75 mil cap instead for similar cap.

So that is why Foligno is an Out and Kase and Ritchie are In. Both Toronto and Boston made this decision to impact the Atlantic Div rosters this year.

As far as cap usage goes instead of Hyman @ $5.5 mil resigned and thus Out, Leafs chose Ritchie @$2.5 mil and Kase at $1.25 mil & Kampf @ $1.5 mil [$5.25 mil combined] as In instead, and then let Foligno and Galchenyuk walk as you have to balance players Out vs In for team roster limit reason. Bunting's cap hit is essentially replacing Joe Thornton's roster spot and cap usage.
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The Foligno trade was a disaster because he got injured. Hopefully we never hear of the player Jarmo pick with the Leafs pick but it is water under the bridge now.
 
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ToneDog said:
If Richie shows up enough, plays a heavier game than Hyman, and scores a few dirty goals, most will forget about letting Hyman walk for nothing. Of course they will still need to win, or it could get ugly.
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We didn’t let him walk for nothing. We let him walk because we needed him for playoffs and couldn’t afford to resign him.
 
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Apex Predator said:
To me this sounds like Liljegren has made it tough for them. They want Dermott to show them something today. If Dermott plays bad I think things get interesting.

I think with Liljegren being waiver exempt he will be up and down with the team till there’s a way to fit him salary cap wise.
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Keep in mind also the Leafs re-signed Dermott as an RFA last summer taking him from $875k to 2 years @$1.5 mil per in hopes he would be taking that next step, and now it appears he might be on the outside of the 3rd pairing with Sandin and Liljegren supplanting him perhaps.

Dermott looks to be trending to the #7 dman and healthy scratch at present. The only thing that might save him is Liljegren is waiver exempt and a potential demote for cap reasons as you mentioned.
 
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Mess said:
Foligno cost the Leafs their 1st round pick and a pair of mid round picks, so this was no insignificant addition. The fact he had little to no impact and then walked away is another issue.

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This is backwards.

The "issue" here is that foligno played only 7 regular season games and 4 injured playoffs games, so that when comparing this team to last year his loss is an extremely minor factor. Meaningless, even.

The price we paid for him is in fact the "OTHER issue" which isn't actually relevant to how this team compares to last year's team.
 
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