GDT: Training Camp Discussion PART II

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And Dubas drafts skill over size, because as he says, you can always trade for size. Problem is, they are only rentals, and we’re trading draft picks for them. That catches up to you sooner rather than later.
Well, the Leafs could go back to their old pattern of drafting big players that never once panned out, and then having to trade picks for both talent AND grit. Sign me up!! :propeller

So glad we have smart people in charge of the Leafs now. It's really getting hard to take most posts seriously.
 
Well, the Leafs could go back to their old pattern of drafting big players that never once panned out, and then having to trade picks for both talent AND grit. Sign me up!! :propeller

So glad we have smart people in charge of the Leafs now. It's really getting hard to take most posts seriously.
I know exactly what you mean.
And obviously, it’s much better to draft skill and size together. Not surprised that I had to point that out to you.
 
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Not so sure I agree with you regarding our pipeline.
Our pipeline is healthy. We had drafted 27 times over the previous 3 drafts, and drafted well. We could afford to spend some picks, especially in a weak draft year. We've also offset our UFA losses with our always-forgotten UFA gains, and our team is stronger than ever.
 
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Our pipeline is healthy. We had drafted 27 times over the previous 3 drafts, and drafted well. We could afford to spend some picks, especially in a weak draft year. We've also offset our UFA losses with our always-forgotten UFA gains, and our team is stronger than ever.
It's comical that people always harp on letting players walk but completely ignore that they were replaced by newly signed UFAs.
 
That actually make no sense. We know they weren’t contenders as they have lost in the first round for 5 years running including a total choke job last year, unless you think that is a sign of a contender
You never know that beforehand, and NHL seeding means far less compared to the NBA so any team can have a deep run or even win it all. Pretty much every likely playoff team adds or tries to because they think they can win.

Wayne Gretzky's and Mario Lemieux regularly called me for advice. The islanders started consulting me just before their dynasty...and I wasnt even in high school.
I got so famous that I decided to scale it back and slum it in HF boards.
The pay is better here.
 
You never know that beforehand, and NHL seeding means far less compared to the NBA so any team can have a deep run or even win it all. Pretty much every likely playoff team adds or tries to because they think they can win.

The pay is better here.
The glory that comes from posting on HFboards is by far the best. No way do we have any muck of nonsense in these boards with high flying stupidity...just pure magic.
 
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That actually make no sense. We know they weren’t contenders as they have lost in the first round for 5 years running including a total choke job last year, unless you think that is a sign of a contender
If we're looking at it objectively , none of the years prove we weren't contenders.

Caps- successful year
Bruins x2: Pretty much conference finals
Jackets: Massive choke job but it was still unconventional. 5 month break then you come and play a 5 game series. It's not abnormal for good teams to have slow starts and bad teams to have hot starts. 5 months is an off season.

Now don't get me wrong, I have been wearing a paper bag over my head since the Habs choke job, but again the key is objectively....the fact Habs made it to the cup finals means there's nothing to suggest Leafs weren't contenders.
 
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And Dubas drafts skill over size, because as he says, you can always trade for size. Problem is, they are only rentals, and we’re trading draft picks for them. That catches up to you sooner rather than later.

Since you mentioned only size I'm assuming you're speaking about depth sandpaper guys ?

Bust rate is massive so you're looking at a likely case of spending a draft pick on the bust and also spending another draft pick for a Clifford at the deadline.

Dubas way is more efficient when you make the playoffs every season.
 
Your wrong and we'll see.
We will see that you are the one that is incorrect. For the record, in 2018-2019, we were the 4th best team offensively. In 2020-2021, we were the 5th best team offensively. Meanwhile, we improved our defensive results from 24th to 4th.
 
We will see that you are the one that is incorrect. For the record, in 2018-2019, we were the 4th best team offensively. In 2020-2021, we were the 5th best team offensively. Meanwhile, we improved our defensive results from 24th to 4th.
Leafs allowed 251 goals in 82 games while this year they were on pace for 217 goals in 82 games

Looking at the ease of competition that the North Division offered along with the injuries to a top 4D in Gardiner and a solid bottom pairing guy in Dermott in 2019.

The leafs defense is better but not incredibly so. We will see whether the leafs improve and become a top 5 team in the league. They were what 6th or 7th in 2019?
 
Looking at the ease of competition that the North Division offered along with the injuries to a top 4D in Gardiner and a solid bottom pairing guy in Dermott in 2019.
The leafs defense is better but not incredibly so.
There's nothing to support your claims about the North. Our defense was considerably better (24th to 4th), while the offense was relatively unchanged.
 
Wait and see approach is more than fair. Being overly high or overly low right now doesn't really make sense.
That's all I'm saying. There is reason for optimism and sadly reason for being down. We need to let these guys play the games and see how they perform. Believing is fine and obviously want them to succeed but saying so early that they are an elite team likely to do well come playoffs isn't it.

I'm hopeful come March those claims will be made by the majority and with strong confidence. For now just want to see how the boys look over the start ofbthe season
 
playing 6 teams for 56 games is easier than playing 30 teams for 82 games
That's not necessarily true.
Our defense wasn't 24th in the league we allowed 251 in 81 games that's not the 24th worst GAA.
I said defense, not GAA (which represents defense + goaltending combined). Our defensive results went from 24th to 4th.
 
That's not necessarily true.

I said defense, not GAA (which represents defense + goaltending combined). Our defensive results went from 24th to 4th.
Defense is goaltending + defense. Limiting chances is irrelevant without quality goaltending support. Looking at GAA tells end results which matter and which you ignore. Leafs can limit chances but if the type of chances they give up are ones which aren't being saved the defense isn't good enough and needs to be reformed/shifted.

And the first statement of your comment is shockingly dumb. Unbelievable a person can play an online persona so vividly that they post something so ridiculous

Leafs 13 cups matter significantly less due to competiton being 5 teams. Celtics (Bill Russell led) rings are valued incredibly less due to being a 9 team league I believe. This is common and widely accepted knowledge in hockey and sports in general. Your either trolling or a new fan who only became a hockey fan in 2018. To think a 6 team league is harder than 31 team league is something else. A division with not a single top 10 team outside of the leafs is tougher than a 31 team division

I'm at a loss for words that you actually said that.
 
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Defense is goaltending + defense.
No, defense is defense. Goaltending is another position. Our defense significantly improved from 24th to 4th. We saw a drastic improvement in goals against too, for the record. Much bigger change than our offense.
To think a 6 team league is harder than 31 team league is something else.
The number of teams is irrelevant. It comes down to the quality being faced. And as much as people like to joke about the North being so weak, there's absolutely nothing to substantiate that claim.
 
So if a team played just one team - Tampa - the entire season; easiest schedule ever, right?
What relevance is this extreme example? Unless you're claiming the 6 teams we faced for these 56 games is equivalent to facing just Tampa for 56? Otherwise I don't see the point of your question.
 
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The claim was that the less teams faced, the easier it is. Clearly, it's not that simple.
It's not simple if you want to sit here all night and bring up every possible division that can possibly exist. Just Tampa. Just Tampa Boston Avs Knights. These divisions will never exist. Obviously if they did you would be correct yes. For our purposes it's true facing the same division all season is easier than facing the whole league. No matter how they slice up these 32 teams it'll be majority middle tier then bubble then lottery team then 1-3 contenders at the top.
 
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