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GDT: Training Camp Discussion PART II

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So it looks like these are the guys still on the team:

Ritchie ---- Matthews ---- Marner
Bunting ---- Tavares ---- Nylander
Mikheyev ---- Kampf ---- Kase
Simmonds ---- Kerfoot ---- Spezza
(Engvall ---- Brooks ---- Amadio)
(Gabriel ---- Semyonov)

Rielly ---- Brodie
Muzzin ---- Holl
(Sandin) ---- Dermott
(Biega ---- Liljegren)

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only 2 of the guys in brackets can stay. at least 1 has to be a dman.
 
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Personally I would have sent down those that don't need waivers ahead of Menell
 
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Knies iT said:
Duszak is nowhere near Menell. Considerably worse. Menell could play on a bottom pair as a depth PP2 option today, Duszak likely never touches NHL ice. Unless you mean AHL impact.

Still think he clears given that Fleury (40+ NHL GP), Clague, Allard cleared to your point. If he does pass through, that's pretty huge for the Marlies top pair. Would love to see Kral-Menell.

Gadjovich on waivers is interesting. PPG last season in the AHL and lost 10-15lbs coming into camp with slightly quicker foot speed. Not much room up front with Engvall/Brooks battling, but i'd prefer his player type competing on the 4th line.
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I am not sure Menell should be a full time option. He is a good #7 or maybe a sheltered #6 who can be an offensive specialist. If I am looking for that kind of guy, I think Duszak can fill the role. Short of Menell being a dominant offensive defenseman, the gap between Menell vs. Duszak is not really one that the Leafs should concern themselves to the point where they need to worry about losing Menell on waivers.

I also don't know if Menell really plays all that much for the Marlies. I can see this being more as a paper transaction for cap reasons than one that has Menell playing a lot of games for the Marlies. The Marlies have too many defensemen (especially offensive defensemen) as it is.

Gadjovich's skating is still messy for an NHL player. I would be surprised if he is claimed, especially with Joey Anderson also on waivers. The only thing in out favour for Anderson is his contract may ward off teams from claiming him. If he had one year left, he's probably claimed.
 
zeke said:
So it looks like these are the guys still on the team:

Ritchie ---- Matthews ---- Marner
Bunting ---- Tavares ---- Nylander
Mikheyev ---- Kampf ---- Kase
Simmonds ---- Kerfoot ---- Spezza
(Engvall ---- Brooks ---- Amadio)
(Gabriel ---- Semyonov)

Rielly ---- Brodie
Muzzin ---- Holl
(Sandin) ---- Dermott
(Biega ---- Liljegren)

Campbell
Mrazek​

only 2 of the guys in brackets can stay. at least 1 has to be a dman.
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I guess the debate is do they want a 13th forward or a 7th D.
 
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stickty111 said:
I think waiving Engvall should be the move. There is a decent chance he clears with how much he makes.
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A bad team would probably claim him. If they think he is worthy of playing in a top 12, the cap won't be a concern. He is capable of playing in a lot of teams' top 12's right now. Ours included. We just have a few other guys like Brooks and Semyonov who are very close and make less on the cap, which may edge them out. I can see the Leafs holding onto Engvall and seeing if there is a market for him over the next few months, or if he becomes a valuable depth piece, before waiving him.
 
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zeke said:
So it looks like these are the guys still on the team:

Ritchie ---- Matthews ---- Marner
Bunting ---- Tavares ---- Nylander
Mikheyev ---- Kampf ---- Kase
Simmonds ---- Kerfoot ---- Spezza
(Engvall ---- Brooks ---- Amadio)
(Gabriel ---- Semyonov)

Rielly ---- Brodie
Muzzin ---- Holl
(Sandin) ---- Dermott
(Biega ---- Liljegren)

Campbell
Mrazek​

only 2 of the guys in brackets can stay. at least 1 has to be a dman.
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I expect Semyonov and Liljegren to get sent down as they are waiver exempt (though Semyonov might bolt to Europe given he has an out clause). I think Gabriel/Biega go down for sure and then the choice is between Brooks, Engvall and Amadio to keep up. Brooks/Engvall better chances to stay up but Amadio has been good too.
 
Still not sure why Joey Anderson was dropped in favor of Simmonds and/or Gabriel.

Not that I am suggesting he's gonna get picked but would have liked to see him get a fair shot. I have no doubt he can easily outplay Simmonds and possibly outhit him too

There seems to be this preferential treatment for players who are FA signed it seems
 
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fahad203 said:
Still not sure why Joey Anderson was dropped in favor of Simmonds and/or Gabriel.

Not that I am suggesting he's gonna get picked but would have liked to see him get a fair shot. I have no doubt he can easily outplay Simmonds and possibly outhit him too

There seems to be this preferential treatment for players who are FA signed it seems
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Could be something they just saw at camp/in practice as well honestly. The fact he didn't get into last night's game while SDA/Seney/others did says a lot.
 
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123offtheglass said:
He's definitely NHL ready and young enough to take a flyer on, has unique gazelle/giraffe skillset too. I'd bet some bottom feeder with cap space would take a flyer on him, it's not like he has term.
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People are easy to write him off because there are some players on this team who was former NHLer and has a reptution

Dude only played less than 100 games in NHL and a solid frame and can skate. Given opportunity, like last game where he was on PP, he scored a goal, hit the net. Also got an empty netter
That's not a bad night if you ask

There were 3 times last year he hit the post, one to me against Vancouver was a sure goal but apparently somebody was offside? that was a leathal shot
 
fahad203 said:
Still not sure why Joey Anderson was dropped in favor of Simmonds and/or Gabriel.

Not that I am suggesting he's gonna get picked but would have liked to see him get a fair shot. I have no doubt he can easily outplay Simmonds and possibly outhit him too

There seems to be this preferential treatment for players who are FA signed it seems
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He didn't stand out at all. Whereas Gabriel certainly made his impact noticeable, he belongs in the AHL though. I agree on Simmonds but he's the bench cheerleader/sheriff for this team and won't be demoted as wrong as that may be
 
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Oscar Peterson said:
It's not Dire Straights, but Duszak and Hollowell are guys that we're hoping will maybe one day be what Menell is right now, and in most likelihood will never even reach that level

Still the right move but let's hope he clears
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I still think Hollowell would make a better forward, everything he does well would help a winger upfront. He is fairly responsible defensively and his deficiencies are all taking important D aspects such as gap control, separating players from the puck, winning board battles etc.
 
Isaac Nootin said:
He might, his 400k AHL salary might deter some teams, unless they plan on keeping him in the NHL, in which case, best of luck to him.
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What are the constraints around AHL salaries? If I were the Leafs, I would max that out so teams don't touch their players going through waivers.
 
fahad203 said:
Still not sure why Joey Anderson was dropped in favor of Simmonds and/or Gabriel.

Not that I am suggesting he's gonna get picked but would have liked to see him get a fair shot. I have no doubt he can easily outplay Simmonds and possibly outhit him too

There seems to be this preferential treatment for players who are FA signed it seems
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Joey Anderson isn't very good, I sincerely doubt he ever becomes an NHL regular
 
Sypher04 said:
we most likely did though. In one of the more recent leaf blueprint episodes there is a scene where the management is all together and Shanny is talking about how they have an opportunity to get McCann for Hollander, to protect themselves from losing Kerfoot.

it was a very deliberate move, which tells me the leafs already had discussions with Seattle about taking McCann instead if they do the deal with Pittsburgh
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It was the backup in case they lost Kerfoot. Neither McCann nor Kerfoot were protected, one was the protection for the other.

I think it's being framed as such because Kerfoot is still here and McCann isn't.
 
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Isaac Nootin said:
He might, his 400k AHL salary might deter some teams, unless they plan on keeping him in the NHL, in which case, best of luck to him.
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Hopefully it does, they're better off with him buried at 125k & available down the road. Some teams just can't realistically fit his cap hit in either.
 
Interesting - yet not too unexpected - situation with Menell and Anderson on waivers. Anderson still has a season left of two-way before the one-way part of the contract kicks in for next season. I'd be surprised if the team loses both of them. Although I wouldn't guarantee it, there's probably a decent chance for one of them being claimed.
 
LeafParade said:
What are the constraints around AHL salaries? If I were the Leafs, I would max that out so teams don't touch their players going through waivers.
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I'm not sure the max on a strict AHL deal, not sure there is a max to be honest. I've seen some as high as 450k. Minimum is $52,000
 
fahad203 said:
Still not sure why Joey Anderson was dropped in favor of Simmonds and/or Gabriel.

Not that I am suggesting he's gonna get picked but would have liked to see him get a fair shot. I have no doubt he can easily outplay Simmonds and possibly outhit him too

There seems to be this preferential treatment for players who are FA signed it seems
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I was definitely higher on Anderson prior to this training camp but he showed absolutely nothing to warrant even consideration to make opening night. Brooks, Engvall, Amadio, SDA, and Semyonov all out preformed him.
 
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kb said:
It was the backup in case they lost Kerfoot. Neither McCann nor Kerfoot were protected, one was the protection for the other.

I think it's being framed as such because Kerfoot is still here and McCann isn't.
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They were not officially protected, but the intent of their moves was quite clearly to protect Kerfoot without protecting him. They basically said as much in the video. So it’s splitting hairs tbh
 
Buds17 said:
Interesting - yet not too unexpected - situation with Menell and Anderson on waivers. Anderson still has a season left of two-way before the one-way part of the contract kicks in for next season. I'd be surprised if the team loses both of them. Although I wouldn't guarantee it, there's probably a decent chance for one of them being claimed.
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I bet one get claimed, no clue which. Wouldn't be surprised if NJ said give us that back & claimed Anderson, they know him.

I'd be shocked if neither got claimed.
 
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