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Gabriel426 said:
It is funny bc most Leafs fans here think he is useless and placeholder.
Beside, if he really become Karlsson 2.0, he won’t do that as a Leafs bc he hasn’t shown he could.
Just like whoever Leafs signs, we want them to break out and have career seasons….same could be said with other teams fans.
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Yea I don't get it, I don't see why it funny

All teams fans are hopeful that their new shiny player is a Dimond in the rough.
 
Coachcorner said:
But Bunting's finna play that tavares second hand role sire. I thought ritchie and bunting were confirmed as our starter thugs for the opening night in the top six sesire.
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I personally like Bunting the most (but feel Kase has more natural skill)

I think Bunting will start the season lower in the lineup but will probably win a spot in the top six sooner than later
 
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Semonov doesn't have much skill but he's pretty tenacious. I really like him. Hopefully he squeaks through waivers.

EDIT: I assumed he had to go through waivers due to his age but he's waiver exempt. Great news.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Semonov doesn't have much skill but he's pretty tenacious. I really like him. Hopefully he squeaks through waivers.
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He's waiver exempt. He is a pending UFA with a European assignment clause in his contract though. As such, I imagine he receives an opportunity of some sort with the big club.
 
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Menzinger said:
I personally like Bunting the most (but feel Kase has more natural skill)

I think Bunting will start the season lower in the lineup but will probably win a spot in the top six sooner than later
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I am starting to grow on Bunting as I really never seen him play prior to the pre season. To me Kase- if and when Healthy will really help the Leafs.
 
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SprDaVE said:
Good call. I assumed he needed waivers because of his age.

Thats great news. He'll be a very good call-up if he does stick around.
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Yeah can't see him sticking around for AHL money which is too bad. Not everyone can adapt to a new league/culture in a few weeks. We will probably never get to see his A game, as I doubt this TC will give him the chance.
 
It is fair to call our goaltending suspect. Two goalies who are unproven as starters in a league where 80% of the past 25 stanley cup champions have a single goalie play every playoff game.

None of us know who will be the starter come playoff time. That is the definition of suspect. Or you could use a word like uncertain.

A #1 goalie matters.
 
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makbeer said:
It is fair to call our goaltending suspect. Two goalies who are unproven as starters in a league where 80% of the past 25 stanley cup champions have a single goalie play every playoff game.

None of us know who will be the starter come playoff time. That is the definition of suspect. Or you could use a word like uncertain.

A #1 goalie matters.
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They've both looked pretty solid thus far.
 
makbeer said:
It is fair to call our goaltending suspect. Two goalies who are unproven as starters in a league where 80% of the past 25 stanley cup champions have a single goalie play every playoff game.

None of us know who will be the starter come playoff time. That is the definition of suspect. Or you could use a word like uncertain.

A #1 goalie matters.
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A lot of very good teams, even championship teams, who supposedly had a reliable goalie to start a season ended up with a completely different guy in net for the playoffs. Sometimes because of injury. Sometimes because the original goalie just wasn't very good. Jordan Binnington. Matt Murray. Braden Holtby. Etc.

We have a guy in Jack Campbell who was quite good last year, and a guy in Petr Mrazek who is not fully 'proven' by your definition but is hardly a dud of a goalie. Things could be much worse. We didn't lose last season because of the goaltending.
 
Marmoset said:
A lot of very good teams, even championship teams, who supposedly had a reliable goalie to start a season ended up with a completely different guy in net for the playoffs. Sometimes because of injury. Sometimes because the original goalie just wasn't very good. Jordan Binnington. Matt Murray. Braden Holtby. Etc.

We have a guy in Jack Campbell who was quite good last year, and a guy in Petr Mrazek who is not fully 'proven' by your definition but is hardly a dud of a goalie. Things could be much worse. We didn't lose last season because of the goaltending.
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.891% save percentage in final 3 playoff games. Can think of 4 goals off the top of my head where he looked like a career backup on them. Confused why you think goaltending wasn't one of the reasons we choked the series away. His numbers in game 1-4 can't be applied to games 5-7.

Don't understand the blind faith in this guy. 90% of the games he played last season he could have slept through.
 
makbeer said:
It is fair to call our goaltending suspect. Two goalies who are unproven as starters in a league where 80% of the past 25 stanley cup champions have a single goalie play every playoff game.

None of us know who will be the starter come playoff time. That is the definition of suspect. Or you could use a word like uncertain.

A #1 goalie matters.
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Yeah, but you look around the division and Boston is rolling with Ullmark and Swayman and Florida has a dud in Bobrovsky and a rookie in Knight, so a star number one is something even some of our most direct competitors don't have.
 
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DraftSchmaft said:
.891% save percentage in final 3 playoff games. Can think of 4 goals off the top of my head where he looked like a career backup on them. Confused why you think goaltending wasn't one of the reasons we choked the series away. His numbers in game 1-4 can't be applied to games 5-7.

Don't understand the blind faith in this guy. 90% of the games he played last season he could have slept through.
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It's not blind faith. But I don't agree that he was horrible and he was not the main reason they lost - that would be the star players who decided to take a vacation during the series.

I don't think he was as bad as you say he was, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

My point in the prior post was that when it comes to goaltending, there are a whole bunch of teams who thought they were set but were proven wrong. I would love to have the proven, reliable goalie that you speak of, but the fact is that not many teams have that guy. They don't grow on trees, and they often emerge suddenly when you least expect it. With our cap situation there was no proven, top notch goalie coming to Toronto this summer.
 
Buds17 said:
He's waiver exempt. He is a pending UFA with a European assignment clause in his contract though. As such, I imagine he receives an opportunity of some sort with the big club.
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100% agree, which is why I don't see why people think he will end up on the Marlies.

If he does play for the Marlies, it will either be for a very brief time at the beginning of the year until injuries hit or we trade Engvall (whichever comes first), or it will mostly just be the odd tune up game like it was for Barabanov and Marincin when they sat for extended periods of time.

He will be in the NHL for close to 100% of the time, or we will trade him like we did with Lindholm and Barabanov.

What I find interesting is that Mikheyev and Semyonov have played on the same team, in similar roles, for much of their lives (born 3 weeks apart, both in Omsk, and have come up through that system together) and have yet to play on the same line together in preseason. You'd think the Leafs would capitalize on that chemistry to some extent (unless they hate each other for some reason, in which case it would be odd for Semyonov to sign here in the first place).
 
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Rob Brown said:




Who is this knob? How is Brodie 'not good'? Lmao.
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There were many times when some blame that was placed on Rielly was actually Brodie's fault. Brodie was very good covering 2-on-1's, but there were more than a few times that Rielly bailed Brodie out too.

Don't get me wrong, after the first 20 or so games when Rielly and Brodie were feeling each other out, they were a solid pairing going up against high end competition. Much like Rielly-Hainsey was. I think there is a lot more potential in that pairing than was shown last year, because I think Brodie is the best partner Rielly has had in his career by a fair bit.

Rielly is solid #1. Muzzin and Brodie are good #2/3's. Holl is a good #4 with the right partner, which he has in Muzzin. Otherwise, he is a good bottom pairing guy in his own right. Dermott is the same, if given the opportunity. It mostly comes down to Liljegren being able to play the #6 job, which he has probably be able to do for 2 years now and could easily end up as a good #4 by the end of this year.

Defense is probably the least of our concerns short of major injuries. The concern I have is that most of our depth are more offensively capable guys (Duszak, Menell, Sandin, etc.) than guys I would trust to be able to replace Muzzin. Marincin, as much as people hated him, was a guy who could quietly and effectively chew up some of those tough minutes, and Dahlstrom has not looked like a capable replacement for him thus far.

I am also questioning what this guy considers a "question mark" up front? By the look of things, the largest questions should really be Kase's health, Spezza's age, the top 6 LW, and maybe bottom 6 offense if some guys (Mikheyev and Kampf) can't fix their shooting percentages. We have plenty of insurance for Kase and Spezza, Ritchie and Bunting especially have looked solid in the top 6 as LW's and we have Mikheyev (and Kerfoot and Kase) just itching for a chance up there if anyone falters. We should still be able to generate a good amount of offense while providing strong defense in that bottom 6 even if Kampf and Mikheyev can't finish.
 
Stephen said:
Yeah, but you look around the division and Boston is rolling with Ullmark and Swayman and Florida has a dud in Bobrovsky and a rookie in Knight, so a star number one is something even some of our most direct competitors don't have.
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Ullmark is their #1 and a legit potential starter.
 
Marmoset said:
A lot of very good teams, even championship teams, who supposedly had a reliable goalie to start a season ended up with a completely different guy in net for the playoffs. Sometimes because of injury. Sometimes because the original goalie just wasn't very good. Jordan Binnington. Matt Murray. Braden Holtby. Etc.

We have a guy in Jack Campbell who was quite good last year, and a guy in Petr Mrazek who is not fully 'proven' by your definition but is hardly a dud of a goalie. Things could be much worse. We didn't lose last season because of the goaltending.
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You are falling into the trap of remembering a couple of teams and thinking it is common. I gave you data. 80% of teams that win the cup do so with one goalie starting all of their playoff games.

Petr Mrazek has been in and out of every playoff run he's been in.
Campbell was in ONE playoff run and lasted 4 games before his play fell off a cliff (.892 over the final 3 games) and has a history of being good in batches but not over long stretches.

If you're looking at the simple question - does our goaltending situation help our cup odds? The answer is no, it does not.

They might both be good goalies but that isn't the question.
 
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