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SeaOfBlue said:
They are just missing a glue guy.

They need a guy who can handle some of the dirty work but still has enough skill and skating ability to keep up. Kerfoot is not a great fit for the dirty work, but he is just overall a solid and smart player so he was still able to find some level of success on that line. Ritchie and others struggled to keep up.

A combo that actually worked was when Galchenyuk was on that line. Galchenyuk was not even all that great of a player overall, but he was able to be the guy which allowed Nylander and Tavares to both do their things. Drove the net hard and fought for pucks, which meant Tavares didn't need to do it all the time, but was able to be another option for Nylander on the rush as well. If you could find a better version of Galchenyuk to put on that line, you have a very strong line.

The line failed when Tavares was mostly just parked in front of the net and Nylander/Kerfoot struggled to get the puck to him or do anything else positive with it. The line worked when Tavares was more involved with the puck and was playing in space more often.

Malgin does have a nose for the net, and has a little bit more dynamic offensive skill than Kerfoot, so maybe it works. At the very least there will be a lot of puck movement.
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The main problem I see with the two of them is JT needs to cycle the puck to be effective whereas Nylander is fundamentally suited to rushing and transitioning the puck up ice

They need to be separated imo
 
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Kiwi said:
The main problem I see with the two of them is JT needs to cycle the puck to be effective whereas Nylander is fundamentally suited to rushing and transitioning the puck up ice

They need to be separated imo
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Nylander is great off the boards, probably his biggest strength, his cutback is ridiculous, not sure there is a single player in the NHL who gains more speed out of a turn.

I think they can work and have in the past. I just don't think either needs the other to work.
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Not good mgmt when Mitch signs for more than Kuch (even after you adjust for TAX) .. and Willy signs for more than Pasta .. and Matty signs for more than MAC .. bottom line this is where we needed a seasoned VET GM to guide team through those signings .. we could have got better players cheaper .. we way overpaid those guys .. and then signed JT to a market deal .. it screwed team in a CAP world .. can't have 4 forward making half CAP .. need a tender, a D and 2 C and then it may work
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So much wrong here...
1. Kucherov is irrelevant. He was not a post-ELC contract. And if anything, he'd be the exception, not the rule, anyway.
2. Nylander signed for less than Pastrnak.
3. Of course Matthews signed for more than Mackinnon. It's hard to make an argument for Mackinnon being worth more than Nylander at time of signing, let alone Matthews.
4. All 3 of our RFA signings are factually consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts. The problem is not that we overpaid these guys (we didn't). The problem is that many people don't understand how contracts work, and they blame Dubas for our stars being so good and breaking out at a young age prior to signing.
5. "Seasoned vets" don't sign better contracts, and there's zero reason to think anybody else would have gotten better contracts. That's pure fantasy. The only way that we would have gotten better contracts on our players was if they sucked more prior to signing.
6. We haven't been "screwed" by it, despite not only living in a cap world, but an unexpected flat cap world. We're one of the best teams in the league, due to good management.
7. You can absolutely have 4 forwards making half the cap if they're worth it. It hasn't prevented us from building a top tier defensive team, or limited what goalies we have, and I'm not sure why you think we need a 2C when we have Matthews and Tavares.
 
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Kiwi said:
The main problem I see with the two of them is JT needs to cycle the puck to be effective whereas Nylander is fundamentally suited to rushing and transitioning the puck up ice

They need to be separated imo
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Tavares is very effective on the rush, it is just not in the same way that Nylander is effective.

It is the same way how Nylander is not useless on the cycle and scores a lot of goals on the cycle with Tavares.

Not sure limiting two separate lines to a very specific type of attack is exactly wise when it is rare that you are only engaging in that one type of attack in one shift. Just makes it that much easier to stop them.

It would be a lot better to get them a guy who is nothing special, but knows how to play off each of their other line mates on the rush and on the cycle similar to what Galchenyuk did. Nylander needs someone with enough speed to push odd man rushes (Malgin certainly has enough) and Tavares needs someone who can help him get into space on the cycle (we will see how well Malgin can do in that regard, but I have my conerns).

If we get that from our 3rd guy, Tavares and Nylander are elite together... Better than when they are apart. But having a 3rd guy who does not really help the other two guys even if he is talented will make it harder for those two to pick up the slack... And it would be no different for Matthews/Marner if they did not have Bunting/Hyman digging for pucks and cleaning up rebounds. They are likely not as good as they are now.
 
kb said:
If you can explain to everyone how that affects any contract, I'm all ears as it never happens.
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Umm. If you are all ears, how will you read the sentence? Anyway, it clearly doesn't. That is why I mentioned Kubel a league minimum contract.
 
Leaf Fans said:
Umm. If you are all ears, how will you read the sentence? Anyway, it clearly doesn't. That is why I mentioned Kubel a league minimum contract.
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Cups make no difference in salary. Full stop
 
kb said:
As of today, I didn't see Mac winning a Hart, and I haven't seen Mac win a major trophy (unless Calder), and I haven't seen Mac be a first team all-star, I haven't seen Mac win a Rocket or a Lindsay. I also haven't seen any player score goals at the rate Matthews is in the cap era.

And Mitch is a 2 time first team all-star and arguably the best winger in the game over the past 2 seasons.

Perhaps the GM knows more than you?
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Mackinnon plays with a ton of fire and I wish Matthews would incorporate a bit of that bull in the china shop aggression in his play. But I look at his last 5 seasons of 90-100 point season averages and I don't think there's an endless upward trajectory there. He also missing time the past 3 years. I think Matthews is just arriving at peak play.
 
Stephen said:
Mackinnon plays with a ton of fire and I wish Matthews would incorporate a bit of that bull in the china shop aggression in his play. But I look at his last 5 seasons of 90-100 point season averages and I don't think there's an endless upward trajectory there. He also missing time the past 3 years. I think Matthews is just arriving at peak play.
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Bull in a China Shop aggression.... did you watch Matthews last year? He was a physical force, lead the team in hits in the playoffs.
 
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Fogelhund said:
Bull in a China Shop aggression.... did you watch Matthews last year? He was a physical force, lead the team in hits in the playoffs.
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Just because Matthews is doing something doesn't mean someone else isn't doing it more intensely, on a more regular basis that could be incorporated more into Matthews' game.
 
Fogelhund said:
Bull in a China Shop aggression.... did you watch Matthews last year? He was a physical force, lead the team in hits in the playoffs.
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The core in the playoffs were good. They were not the problem. Tampa just has an elite goalie
 
supermann_98 said:
What? Have you not been reading the thread? Lots of people are ripping on Malgin, often referencing Bourne and Coliacovo as the subject matter experts when it comes to who should make the team vs who should be on waivers.

Paraphrasing here but "he's only here because of Dubas' ego to show he didn't screw up the Marchment trade". Is that not ripping the guy?
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No, it’s ripping on Dubas
 
Fogelhund said:
MacKinnon signed a 8.63% deal, He had seasons of 63, 38 and 52 points and a maximum of 24 goals. (.701 PPG)
Matthews signed after career high of 40 goals, and being PPG the season prior to signing, and the season he signed. (.966 PPG)

How would someone even conclude those are close to the same value? Or they should have the same contract. MacKinnon had done LESS than Nylander when he'd signed.

Pasta had an average of .715 PPG career, and signed a deal worth 8.89% of the cap.
Nylander had .74 PPG, had performed over two seasons well, while Pasta had just one good season, and Nylander signed for LESS than Pasta, after having done more... 8.78% of the cap.

Marner is overpaid, by about $1.5 million.... So that's it... We've overpaid our whole team, by $1.5 million....
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...and Marner did on his ELC what only a small handful have in 30+ years.
 
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Stephen said:
Just because Matthews is doing something doesn't mean someone else isn't doing it more intensely, on a more regular basis that could be incorporated more into Matthews' game.
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Sure. :laugh: I don’t know if you didn’t watch the playoffs, or have forgotten them. Matthew’s wasn’t the guy to mention.
 
Fogelhund said:
Sure. :laugh: I don’t know if you didn’t watch the playoffs, or have forgotten them. Matthew’s wasn’t the guy to mention.
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Matthews physical game could be turned up to a Mackinnon level. Pound for pound Mack has him beat in that department.
 
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