Training Camp continued

[cyris]

Nhl has Liljegren listed at 6'1 now, but even comparing Nylander and sandin, Nylander is listed at 6', sandin at 5'11, there is more than 1 inch between those 2

It’s really not that easy to measure height like this. How much closer people are to the camera and their posture is really going to effect how tall they look.
For example Sandin is standing fairly relaxed and somewhat slouched. While Liljegren is standing fairly straight up.

 

[arso40]

You agree with how many D rank ahead of Rielly on that garbage stat?

Or how far down Leon is and the fact captain Johnny and bunting rank ahead of willie

 

[Stephen]

Maybe that has to do with him being 20 or younger in every other opportunity and not an indication that he has to be coddled?

Robertson isn't just suddenly going to to lose all of the abilities that he's showcased because he goes down for a game.

I just think the kid deserved a tangible reward for 2 weeks of progression in camp after not having the smoothest start to his NHL career. Don’t care to extrapolate beyond that.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Trading Kerfoot frees up ~ 3.5 million depending on the date , but how many teams have the cap space?

Own rental the f*** out of him.

 

[Niagara Bill]

it's actually harder to wizard great bargains on elite talent rather than wizard great bargains on depth talent.

Harder, yes, but that is what he gets paid to do.
55 yrs and counting is also very hard and we don't get paid.

 

[zeke]

Harder, yes, but that is what he gets paid to do.
55 yrs and counting is also very hard and we don't get paid.

For me, getting bargains on elite talent takes much more luck than skill. You need a guy like MacKinnon to dissappoint for a few years and then explode as soon as he signs that cheap deal, for example.

But consistently getting bargains on depth players isn't really about luck at all - it takes discipline and smarts to consistently avoid overpaying replaceable players and identifying the undervalued guys that can replace them.

I don't really expect my GM to be able to consistently find cheap elite players. But a GM's skill really comes through in consistently adding solid cheap depth.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Trading Kerfoot frees up ~ 3.5 million depending on the date , but how many teams have the cap space?

A bottom feeder would take him, feed him PP minutes, and flip him at 50% to a contender at the deadline. His actual money owed is almost nothing, it's like they designed the contract for this exact scenario.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I just think the kid deserved a tangible reward for 2 weeks of progression in camp after not having the smoothest start to his NHL career.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to characterize Robertson's start of his NHL career like that, and he was rewarded. He's first call-up and is considered an NHL player by his team at a fresh 21 years old. Pretty good. And he's not suddenly going to lose all of his abilities because he's not in the opening night lineup. Team first.

 

[IPS]

I'd like to know how Robertson himself feels about it.

My guess is that he's extremely disappointed not to be in to start the season.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Da Leafs are an LTIR team heading into 2022 season .. 2.15M over da CAP .. and we are not playing our best lineup with Robertson out .. this is not brilliant mgmt .. it is capology skill from Pridham yes but not good mgmt

If there wasn't a pandemic, is the management suddenly good?

 

[ACC1224]

If there wasn't a pandemic, is the management suddenly good?

The Leafs will always spend every dollar of the cap, pandemic or not.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

You are joking, right!
Can anyone not get paid properly if they receive $9,500,00.00 rather than $9,600,000.00.

You seem to have issue with stars being paid star money and scrubs being paid scrub money.

 

[Stephen]

I don't think it's necessarily fair to characterize Robertson's start of his NHL career like that, and he was rewarded. He's first call-up and is considered an NHL player by his team at a fresh 21 years old. Pretty good. And he's not suddenly going to lose all of his abilities because he's not in the opening night lineup. Team first.

He hasn’t been good at the NHL level at all until this run at camp. Stashing him in the AHL probably won’t amount to anything material but isn’t great for him personally.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

The Leafs will always spend every dollar of the cap, pandemic or not.

Fortunately for the first time in almost ever they are spending it in the appropriate places.

 

[justashadowof]

Own rental the f*** out of him.

But no more Game 6's from him again please. Honest to goodness I've never seen an actual playoff goat performance of that impact get ignored to this level before. The media has powers. If this was an organization like Boston, Philadelphia, Florida, Montreal and several others he'd so be gone.

 

[ACC1224]

Fortunately for the first time in almost ever they are spending it in the appropriate places.

Lets hope so.

 

[notbias]

I'd like to know how Robertson himself feels about it.

My guess is that he's extremely disappointed not to be in to start the season.

I am sure they had a discussion and basically told him he is unlucky that Malgin played as good, if not better than him.

Robertson probably watched the games and saw that Malgin played great too.

People are acting like he was the better player, which I don't think he was, but even if he was, he barely was. This is not some big insult like some are making it out to be, it isn't even clear he earned a spot because his competition played amazingly.

I am sure he is happy with his effort and knows that he earned the first call-up, which is not a bad thing either. He gets ~20 minutes a night and first PP and maybe PK until we need him.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

For me, getting bargains on elite talent takes much more luck than skill. You need a guy like MacKinnon to dissappoint for a few years and then explode as soon as he signs that cheap deal, for example.

But consistently getting bargains on depth players isn't really about luck at all - it takes discipline and smarts to consistently avoid overpaying replaceable players and identifying the undervalued guys that can replace them.

I don't really expect my GM to be able to consistently find cheap elite players. But a GM's skill really comes through in consistently adding solid cheap depth.

Not good mgmt when Mitch signs for more than Kuch (even after you adjust for TAX) .. and Willy signs for more than Pasta .. and Matty signs for more than MAC .. bottom line this is where we needed a seasoned VET GM to guide team through those signings .. we could have got better players cheaper .. we way overpaid those guys .. and then signed JT to a market deal .. it screwed team in a CAP world .. can't have 4 forward making half CAP .. need a tender, a D and 2 C and then it may work

 

[zeke]

Not good mgmt when Mitch signs for more than Kuch (even after you adjust for TAX) .. and Willy signs for more than Pasta .. and Matty signs for more than MAC .. bottom line this is where we needed a seasoned VET GM to guide team through those signings .. we could have got better players cheaper .. we way overpaid those guys .. and then signed JT to a market deal .. it screwed team in a CAP world .. can't have 4 forward making half CAP .. need a tender, a D and 2 C and then it may work

So if Mitch was at 9 and Willy at 6, saving us $3m total....everything would be OK?

 

[notbias]

Not good mgmt when Mitch signs for more than Kuch (even after you adjust for TAX) .. and Willy signs for more than Pasta .. and Matty signs for more than MAC .. bottom line this is where we needed a seasoned VET GM to guide team through those signings .. we could have got better players cheaper .. we way overpaid those guys .. and then signed JT to a market deal .. it screwed team in a CAP world .. can't have 4 forward making half CAP .. need a tender, a D and 2 C and then it may work

We needed a seasoned, vet GM, and then references rookie GMs for good signings, always fun to see.

 

[Fogelhund]

Not good mgmt when Mitch signs for more than Kuch (even after you adjust for TAX) .. and Willy signs for more than Pasta .. and Matty signs for more than MAC .. bottom line this is where we needed a seasoned VET GM to guide team through those signings .. we could have got better players cheaper .. we way overpaid those guys .. and then signed JT to a market deal .. it screwed team in a CAP world .. can't have 4 forward making half CAP .. need a tender, a D and 2 C and then it may work

MacKinnon signed a 8.63% deal, He had seasons of 63, 38 and 52 points and a maximum of 24 goals. (.701 PPG)
Matthews signed after career high of 40 goals, and being PPG the season prior to signing, and the season he signed. (.966 PPG)

How would someone even conclude those are close to the same value? Or they should have the same contract. MacKinnon had done LESS than Nylander when he'd signed.

Pasta had an average of .715 PPG career, and signed a deal worth 8.89% of the cap.
Nylander had .74 PPG, had performed over two seasons well, while Pasta had just one good season, and Nylander signed for LESS than Pasta, after having done more... 8.78% of the cap.

Marner is overpaid, by about $1.5 million.... So that's it... We've overpaid our whole team, by $1.5 million....

 

[kb]

Not good mgmt when Mitch signs for more than Kuch (even after you adjust for TAX) .. and Willy signs for more than Pasta .. and Matty signs for more than MAC .. bottom line this is where we needed a seasoned VET GM to guide team through those signings .. we could have got better players cheaper .. we way overpaid those guys .. and then signed JT to a market deal .. it screwed team in a CAP world .. can't have 4 forward making half CAP .. need a tender, a D and 2 C and then it may work

As of today, I didn't see Mac winning a Hart, and I haven't seen Mac win a major trophy (unless Calder), and I haven't seen Mac be a first team all-star, I haven't seen Mac win a Rocket or a Lindsay. I also haven't seen any player score goals at the rate Matthews is in the cap era.

And Mitch is a 2 time first team all-star and arguably the best winger in the game over the past 2 seasons.

Perhaps the GM knows more than you?

 

[Dekes For Days]

He hasn’t been good at the NHL level at all until this run at camp. Stashing him in the AHL probably won’t amount to anything material but isn’t great for him personally.

He just turned 21 and he's an NHL caliber player. That's a pretty good start to a career. I don't see any reason to think this will affect him negatively.

 

[saffronleaf]

I'd like to know how Robertson himself feels about it.

My guess is that he's extremely disappointed not to be in to start the season.

boohoo

 

[Leaf Fans]

As of today, I didn't see Mac winning a Hart, and I haven't seen Mac win a major trophy (unless Calder), and I haven't seen Mac be a first team all-star, I haven't seen Mac win a Rocket or a Lindsay. I also haven't seen any player score goals at the rate Matthews is in the cap era.

And Mitch is a 2 time first team all-star and arguably the best winger in the game over the past 2 seasons.

Perhaps the GM knows more than you?

Well, he was part of a team that won a Stanley Cup. As was Kubel.