Training Camp and Preseason thread 2023

[Vitto79]

Brodzinski has never scored in the NHL at any point in his career and suddenly he can slot up in the lineup in a pinch? There is no chance he can fit in the top 9 outside of a dire emergency

I agree. He’s good AHL depth that’s it
13 th cheap F I guess but playing Cuylee and sitting a rotating Bonino , Vesey , Pitlick is the way I go

Othmaan I start in the AHL but any top 9 injury he’s up

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd hop on the Sokolov train for sure if they can snag him.

Another benefit of Brodzinski at 13th forward is that he will make less than any other option at 13th forward. He is making less than NHL minimum this year...

 

[McRanger92]

For roster management reasons, Brodzinski should make the team as the 13th forward. Cuylle will be up by the end of the month via injury or performance anyway. Othmann needs to play in pro games that actually matter before I'm ok with letting him make the jump from juniors to the NHL. Call him up in Dec/Jan. I know Pitlick is just a guy but in my limited viewing he looks like a high motor Gauthier who can PK. Thats valuable and he would get claimed on waivers.

 

[egelband]

Thinking about it, none of the rangers centers are really good distributors. They are good at lugging the puck and they are ok defensively. But most of the distribution comes from wings and defensemen. It’s an unorthodox roster in that regard.

 

[Profet]

My preference is to have Othmann start in the AHL. If he isn't getting PP1 time, better to have him playing against men in all situations with the Pack.

Cuylle is a different story. I wouldn't mind him making the team out of camp.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Othmann marinated in juniors for like 3 years.

Anyway I'm fine with the both of them starting in Hartford but if some of the old 4th liners we brought in really stink up the joint i'd like to give them a shot.

When Laf was stuck sitting around waiting for Covid protocols to be lifted, Othmann was in Switzerland on loan playing close to 40 games.

Its hard for me to confirm this but im pretty sure that Othmann played more games than Laf within that stretch of about a year and change.

Who knows how much that affected Laf, we will never know (this isnt an excuse or speculation, just facts)

 

[NYR Viper]

Thinking about it, none of the rangers centers are really good distributors. They are good at lugging the puck and they are ok defensively. But most of the distribution comes from wings and defensemen. It’s an unorthodox roster in that regard.

This is very true. It would appear they want centers who can transport the puck but in terms of who is driving offense in the offensive zone, it's mainly the wingers distributing.

 

[CLW]

Thinking about it, none of the rangers centers are really good distributors. They are good at lugging the puck and they are ok defensively. But most of the distribution comes from wings and defensemen. It’s an unorthodox roster in that regard.

It's a bit of a pain tbh. This and weak puck movement from the D are two major flaws.

E.g. I think Bread needs/wants support from his C. This team doesn't really have that player. If Panarin plays with Chytil and Kakko, I'd be tempted to switch Fil and Kaapo around to improve puck movement/support.

 

[Crease]

Playing around with the combos. I don’t love this—I wish we had more talent on the third and fourth lines. Hopefully Othmann and Cuylle will be ready to make an impact after New Years. Hartford will be good.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
Lafreniere - Chytil - Kreider
Vesey - Trocheck - Wheeler
Bonino - Goodrow - Pitlick
Brodzinski
(Othmann and Cuylle first call ups)

Miller - Fox
Guss - Trouba
Lindgren - Schneider
Harpur
(Jones first call up)

Igor
Quick

 

[duhmetreE]

Playing around with the combos. I don’t love this—I wish we had more talent on the third and fourth lines. Hopefully Othmann and Cuylle will be ready to make an impact after New Years. Hartford will be good.

Panarin - Zibanejad - Kakko
Lafreniere - Chytil - Kreider
Vesey - Trocheck - Wheeler
Bonino - Goodrow - Pitlick
Brodzinski
(Othmann and Cuylle first call ups)

Miller - Fox
Guss - Trouba
Lindgren - Schneider
Harpur
(Jones first call up)

Igor
Quick

you put Cuylle on the 3rd line and its fine.

It's his d+4 season. He showed he belongs and has earned the spot.

 

[Machinehead]

I think the idea with Brod is that he can play all 3 forward positions, kill penalties, play a top 9 role in emergencies if needed (Not something Potluck or Bonino could do) and so he makes a lot of sense as a jack-knife 13th forward to be plugged in when injuries arise.

He's Tyler Potluck now. I like that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I still have no idea why it is they are working on Lafreniere playing rw instead of Kreider. Imo moving Kreider to rw lets Lafreniere just work on his game instead of learning a new position as well. I still find it funny that he can play rw when Panarin joins zibs line but seemingly can't any other time.

 

[Machinehead]

Right now, I would go with this:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Othmann
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Wheeler
Potluck-Bonino-Vesey

I don't care what you're paying Goodrow. He sucks and should be the 13th forward. I like Brodzinski but he's Hartford's captain and one of their better players. I think the stability he provides down there is more valuable than him being on our 4th line. That being said, the switch from 76 to 22 indicates to me that the Rangers see him as a Ranger this year. If he's going to be here, I would play him over Potluck.

 

[Machinehead]

I still have no idea why it is they are working on Lafreniere playing rw instead of Kreider. Imo moving Kreider to rw lets Lafreniere just work on his game instead of learning a new position as well. I still find it funny that he can play rw when Panarin joins zibs line but seemingly can't any other time.

I can kind of see both sides of it. Kreider is already very unskilled at passing and receiving passes, which is compounded by being on his off-wing. On the same token, you could argue that it doesn't matter because he doesn't do it anyway.

 

[McRanger92]

I can kind of see both sides of it. Kreider is already very unskilled at passing and receiving passes, which is compounded by being on his off-wing. On the same token, you could argue that it doesn't matter because he doesn't do it anyway.

Personally, Id rather keep the guy with 90 goals over the last 2 seasons where he is most comfotable. I'm still a believer in Laf but the team is trying to win games.

 

[Machinehead]

Personally, Id rather keep the guy with 90 goals over the last 2 seasons where he is most comfotable. I'm still a believer in Laf but the team is trying to win games.

Right. I see both sides of this argument as well. I get thinking "well it's Kreider, he can do it" but I also get thinking "it's Kreider, leave it alone."

 

[Machinehead]

It's amazing how many NHL bodies we have waiting now.

Othmann, Cuylle, Vesey, Goodrow, Bonino, Potluck, Belzile, and Brodzinski will be occupying four spots in the lineup.

That's something Drury has really improved on. With Gorton, we had exactly 18 NHL players and "Brendan Smith I guess" when somebody got hurt.

 

[NYR Viper]

I loathe the idea of Kaako and Panarin together. If Panarin and Zibanejad are going to be thing then the RW on that line needs to be someone who is okay not having the puck much. It's possible they rotate Pitlick/Vesey up there...

Panarin-Zibanejad-Pitlick/Vesey
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako
Lafreniere-Chytil-Wheeler
Goodrow-Bonino-Vesey/Pitlick

 

[Savant]

I loathe the idea of Kaako and Panarin together. If Panarin and Zibanejad are going to be thing then the RW on that line needs to be someone who is okay not having the puck much. It's possible they rotate Pitlick/Vesey up there...

Panarin-Zibanejad-Pitlick/Vesey
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako
Lafreniere-Chytil-Wheeler
Goodrow-Bonino-Vesey/Pitlick

You are right, (and while it shouldn’t stop it from happening on the ice), but of course everyone just going to be complaining about Vesey on a top line

 

[NYR Viper]

You are right, (and while it shouldn’t stop it from happening on the ice), but of course everyone just going to be complaining about Vesey on a top line

I am a little intrigued by Sokolov but he is another LW.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako
Sokolov-Chytil-Wheeler
Goodrow-Bonino-Pitlick/Vesey

I realize many will want Cuylle there and I'm not opposed to that either.

 

[Savant]

I am a little intrigued by Sokolov but he is another LW.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako
Sokolov-Chytil-Wheeler
Goodrow-Bonino-Pitlick/Vesey

I realize many will want Cuylle there and I'm not opposed to that either.

Sokolov cannot skate at all. S L O W

If we were a better skating team maybe you could carry that but as currently constructed, no way

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Right now, I would go with this:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Othmann
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Wheeler
Potluck-Bonino-Vesey

I don't care what you're paying Goodrow. He sucks and should be the 13th forward. I like Brodzinski but he's Hartford's captain and one of their better players. I think the stability he provides down there is more valuable than him being on our 4th line. That being said, the switch from 76 to 22 indicates to me that the Rangers see him as a Ranger this year. If he's going to be here, I would play him over Potluck.

I have no problem playing Brodz full time.

Hes paid his dues and if he made great first impression on the staff and his game fits into the system better than other role players then he should not only make the team, he should start. Lav has had a lot of praise for him thus far.

He's not super young at 30, but he plays that way. This team needs quickness and guys who push the pace. He's been a good soldier for this club and has improved each year.

I will say that if he does get some starts, he needs to bury some chances to keep himself an NHL. This may be his best opportunity to stick

 

[Leonardo87]

Right now, I would go with this:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko
Panarin-Chytil-Othmann
Lafreniere-Trocheck-Wheeler
Potluck-Bonino-Vesey

I don't care what you're paying Goodrow. He sucks and should be the 13th forward. I like Brodzinski but he's Hartford's captain and one of their better players. I think the stability he provides down there is more valuable than him being on our 4th line. That being said, the switch from 76 to 22 indicates to me that the Rangers see him as a Ranger this year. If he's going to be here, I would play him over Potluck.

So, no Goodrow jersey for you then?

 

[TGWL]

This. The bottom 6 is just really not that important that it's worth a 3M+ cap hit when that can potentially net a mid pair defenseman or middle six two-way forward vs. a 20 point grinder with "intangibles."

I hate the Goodrow contract. Nothing against him, it's just a terrible use of cap space.

I don't have a problem with paying somebody 3m for a bottom 6 (3rd line minute role), the problem is that Doodrow is not used as a matchup player here, and doesn't have 2 other players put in the same position. The Zibanejad line is often used as a matchup, and Goodrow is thrown on a skill line like that's going to work. The term was too long. And every single move to get tougher and harder to play against has back fired or became useless.

Goodrow doesn't really fit our team when he's in the top 9.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Claim Bernard-Docker and waive Harpur, claim Sokolov and waive Brodzinski and trade Jones