Training Camp and Preseason thread 2023

[Kovalev27]

Losing a valuable depth piece on waivers because you want to force Othmann or Cuylle into the opening lineup just isn’t the best player management move. Doesn’t hurt those guys one bit stsrting in Hartford and waiting for a call up. We need the depth. We don’t really need those kids here on day one. We need everyone.

Everyone should be pumped that we have actual good young players to call up when the time comes and it absolutely will and much more often playing a more aggressive style.

 

[Savant]

I'm less concerned with Goodrow's term as some. Come this off-season, I think we will start to see depth pieces costing more than what Goodrow has received.

I think I would say that I would prefer Goodrow to Coleman and I would prefer Goodrow to the rumored price tag for Gourde back at that same time (1st +)

Goodrow was and is a D- signing. If the trend is to pay depth pieces more I want no part of that. Wasted too much money and too and contract spots on that, especially looking at camp this year where Brodzinski, Cuylle and Othmann at the minimum have out played the “depth guys” that were signed this summer. Teams should stick with their depth and if it doesn’t work out try to supplement it at the deadline. Wasting money and especially term there is such an error. I don’t really care that the asking price of Gourde was high. This team is a lot better with Gourde on it that it is with Goodrow on it.

 

[NYR Viper]

Goodrow was and is a D- signing. If the trend is to pay depth pieces more I want no part of that. Wasted too much money and too and contract spots on that, especially looking at camp this year where Brodzinski, Cuylle and Othmann at the minimum have out played the “depth guys” that were signed this summer. Teams should stick with their depth and if it doesn’t work out try to supplement it at the deadline. Wasting money and especially term there is such an error. I don’t really care that the asking price of Gourde was high. This team is a lot better with Gourde on it that it is with Goodrow on it.

So assuming this is correct, would we trade Othmann + Goodrow for Gourde? Because I believe it was that draft we would be speaking of.

I am not against running away from depth signings. I think when you have a healthy farm system that SHOULD be the path, aside from guys like Wheeler or Gustafsson who are much smaller contracts (even Pitlick and Bonino are in this category for me, very little risk here). But if we think back to when Goodrow was signed, the Rangers had very little in the way of actual 2-way depth. They had Lafreniere, kaako and Chytil. Kravtsov on the way. Andersson was gone. They had some depth pieces that were a ways off but that's it.

Again, I don't LIKE the Goodrow contract. All I'm saying is context matter a bit. Hopefully the days of spending on a bottom-6 utility guy are over and Drury and his team keep scouring the UFA market as well as the mid-rounds of the drafts for valuable depth pieces.

 

[SA16]

I mean I guess?

If we are looking at stats just from last years team though:

Kreider had 4 SH goals
Zibanejad had 1 SH goal
Vesey had 1 SH goal
Goodrow had 0 SH goals
Bonino had 0 SH goals

Let's assume that playing Kaako on the PK gets the team 4 SH goals, to match Kreider's from last year which was for the team lead and that bumps Bonino off the PK. Those 4 goals could be difference makers, or they could be nothing in terms of points in the season. There is also the concern of losing a player to a blocked shot while on the PK for said 'ideal' 4 added goals.

I can see both sides a bit but we aren't really talking a huge swing in goal totals.

Just as an aside, is the added risk to someone like Zibanejad for his 1 SH goal worth it over playing someone like Bonino who may be just as adept defensively and on the PK if Bonino scores 0 SH goals?

Kreider leads the league in 4v5 goals the last two years. I think it's a bit optimistic to think that Kakko is going to match what he did. I don't think the blocked shot thing is much of a concern at all. It's a very minor injury risk. Probably less so than normal play since there is less skating up and down the ice and less hitting. Most of the high scoring PK guys don't even block a lot of shots on the PK. It's mostly the defensemen that do. Only 4/198 forwards have even blocked 30 shots at 4v5 over the last two seasons which is like....3 shot blocks a month - for the highest volume guys.

 

[Savant]

So assuming this is correct, would we trade Othmann + Goodrow for Gourde? Because I believe it was that draft we would be speaking of.

I am not against running away from depth signings. I think when you have a healthy farm system that SHOULD be the path, aside from guys like Wheeler or Gustafsson who are much smaller contracts (even Pitlick and Bonino are in this category for me, very little risk here). But if we think back to when Goodrow was signed, the Rangers had very little in the way of actual 2-way depth. They had Lafreniere, kaako and Chytil. Kravtsov on the way. Andersson was gone. They had some depth pieces that were a ways off but that's it.

Again, I don't LIKE the Goodrow contract. All I'm saying is context matter a bit. Hopefully the days of spending on a bottom-6 utility guy are over and Drury and his team keep scouring the UFA market as well as the mid-rounds of the drafts for valuable depth pieces.

Yeah - I would trade magic beans for Gourde. Team was win now. We also don’t know if the pick would have been Othmann. Maybe they take that rapist Mallioux
; who knows. Gourde makes a difference in that Tampa series doesn’t he?

 

[NYR Viper]

Kreider leads the league in 4v5 goals the last two years. I think it's a bit optimistic to think that Kakko is going to match what he did. I don't think the blocked shot thing is much of a concern at all. It's a very minor injury risk. Probably less so than normal play since there is less skating up and down the ice and less hitting. Most of the high scoring PK guys don't even block a lot of shots on the PK. It's mostly the defensemen that do. Only 4/198 forwards have even blocked 30 shots at 4v5 over the last two seasons which is like....3 shot blocks a month - for the highest volume guys.

That makes more sense. My fear may be misplaced. Thanks for straightening me out

Yeah - I would trade magic beans for Gourde. Team was win now. We also don’t know if the pick would have been Othmann. Gourde makes a difference in that Tampa series doesn’t he?

That's a good point. I guess I always lean towards keeping those high picks but I do really like Gourde.

As an aside, Trochek and Gourde play similar games. Watching the Islanders the other night it's clear that they have a template for the type of player they like and Trochek and Gourde have that same level of compete they like. I'm hoping that with the appearance of some of Drury's picks the team will start to see a better blend

Yeah - I would trade magic beans for Gourde. Team was win now. We also don’t know if the pick would have been Othmann. Maybe they take that rapist Mallioux
; who knows. Gourde makes a difference in that Tampa series doesn’t he?

For the record I am not liking the team taking the 'rapist' Mailloux, just the other parts!!

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

The Zegras dreams are over. He re-signed 3 years $5.75AAV.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The Zegras dreams are over. He re-signed 3 years $5.75AAV.

How so? It lines up perfectly with Panarin's contract ending

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Today’s Media Availability:

 

[Avery16]

Again, I don't LIKE the Goodrow contract. All I'm saying is context matter a bit.

I don’t LIKE hemorrhoids…

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Losing a valuable depth piece on waivers because you want to force Othmann or Cuylle into the opening lineup just isn’t the best player management move. Doesn’t hurt those guys one bit stsrting in Hartford and waiting for a call up. We need the depth. We don’t really need those kids here on day one. We need everyone.

Everyone should be pumped that we have actual good young players to call up when the time comes and it absolutely will and much more often playing a more aggressive style.

This. I also think it'll be good for Cuylle to go back to the AHL and try to outright dominate, and for Othmann to get used to playing against men on the top line and seeing PP1 minutes in the AHL for a little bit first.

I'd rather see them dominate the AHL than take a third line shift in the NHL. Then, if the team sucks, call them up and give them those same top line opportunities at the NHL level. But don't bury them and hope they'll magically figure out how to score goals and points when they spend years of development refining their checking game in the bottom 6.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Bonino serves a purpose and fills a role. 4c top PK guy.

If it was a couple years ago I'd agree, and I'm far from a Brodzinski fan, but i think given the style Lav wants to play he'll want Brodz legs and effort instead. We got lots of guys who can fill the pk role.

 

[NYR Viper]

Someone explain to me what else a 4C is supposed to do besides eat some minutes, transport the puck and get shots on net. Those lines are often not the most skilled players but if they can do that consistently, that means they are in the offensive zone. That's literally Brodzinski

 

[Fitzy]

I think the idea with Brod is that he can play all 3 forward positions, kill penalties, play a top 9 role in emergencies if needed (Not something Potluck or Bonino could do) and so he makes a lot of sense as a jack-knife 13th forward to be plugged in when injuries arise.

 

[effen]

The mean girls schtick with a perfectly useful NHL player who can slot up the lineup and across the forward spots is a bit weird.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Someone explain to me what else a 4C is supposed to do besides eat some minutes, transport the puck and get shots on net. Those lines are often not the most skilled players but if they can do that consistently, that means they are in the offensive zone. That's literally Brodzinski

We have been lucky with Dom Moore and Brian Boyle type of 4th liners and fans think we should get those type of good bottom 6 forwards home grown or traded here at a young age every season.

 

[E-Train]

I don’t mind if Othmann and Cuylle get top minutes in Hartford to start but they both look ready for NHL action now. Cuylle especially. He was able to get in a bunch of games as a 18 year old in the Covid season. That had to help his success last year.

 

[SA16]

Brodzinski has never scored in the NHL at any point in his career and suddenly he can slot up in the lineup in a pinch? There is no chance he can fit in the top 9 outside of a dire emergency

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t mind if Othmann and Cuylle get top minutes in Hartford to start but they both look ready for NHL action now. Cuylle especially. He was able to get in a bunch of games as a 18 year old in the Covid season. That had to help his success last year.

I don’t really care or mind if that’s the plan either.

I’m just failing to see why losing Brodz on waivers (if they do) is such a big deal. It’s not hard to find another one on waivers

 

[nyr2k2]

I haven't chimed in on the effort thing with the veterans, but for me the expectation that they go out and play hard in preseason is pretty ridiculous. It's easy to sit back and say they should go and bust their asses to set the tone and a positive example, but these guys have to go out and play to that same level of expectations for 82 games when they actually count.

I look at football--half of the guys don't even play in preseason, and if they do it's for like 20 snaps. Baseball is a no-impact sport and spring training is still just for getting into your rhythm and building yourself up slowly (and where good veteran pitchers get lit up because they're "working on things" or whatever). Shit, in basketball, they can't even get the veteran guys to play in the games during the regular season, what with all the "rest days" causing the league problems. Forget about preseason.

Believe me, I LOVE the glorified idea of warrior hockey players going all out f***ing shit up against the opponent's C-team to show the kids how it's done...but I think it's totally unrealistic and honestly kind of unfair. JMO.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Goodrow was and is a D- signing. If the trend is to pay depth pieces more I want no part of that. Wasted too much money and too and contract spots on that, especially looking at camp this year where Brodzinski, Cuylle and Othmann at the minimum have out played the “depth guys” that were signed this summer. Teams should stick with their depth and if it doesn’t work out try to supplement it at the deadline. Wasting money and especially term there is such an error. I don’t really care that the asking price of Gourde was high. This team is a lot better with Gourde on it that it is with Goodrow on it.

This. The bottom 6 is just really not that important that it's worth a 3M+ cap hit when that can potentially net a mid pair defenseman or middle six two-way forward vs. a 20 point grinder with "intangibles."

I hate the Goodrow contract. Nothing against him, it's just a terrible use of cap space.

 

[E-Train]

I don’t really care or mind if that’s the plan either.

I’m just failing to see why losing Brodz on waivers (if they do) is such a big deal. It’s not hard to find another one on waivers

I’m with you. I don’t care what happens with Brodz. 13F, in Hartford or gone. From how Laviolette praised Pitlick and what I’ve seen, I’m good with him as 4th line RW for now.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

This has more to do with how the devils series went than anything. They’re getting a reputation for being a core that lacks effort so even in preseason where vets don’t really do much especially early in preseason, it is pissing people off right or wrong. But getting on the 21 year old home grown guy is something I haven’t seen before. We usually go for a third pair vet lumbering dman to attack

What bothers me most about this situation is that it's obviously effecting him personally as he wouldn't have had to change his IG profile unless people were harassing him negatively. We don't know what's going through his mind or how it's affecting him.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Is Sykora going to be playing in Hartford? Or Europe?

 

[nyr2k2]

Is Sykora going to be playing in Hartford? Or Europe?

Hartford