Training Camp and Preseason thread 2023

[n8]

I'm figuring Othmann and Cuylle start in the AHL. They'll be the first call ups when an injury hits the squad. One will just stick like Schneider did. The other will be up and down a few times during the season. For development, Cuylle sticking and Othmann up and down probably makes the most sense.

Do we have any wonky waiver situations this year? I'm pretty sure Zac Jones is no longer waiver-exempt so unless he gets traded, he's the 6/7 dman by default.

 

[nyr2k2]

Such a shitty argument that people who advocate a different (better, more proven) way to win "don't want to win."

You're doing the exact same shit with the "it's a shame mediocrity is acceptable to so many" garbage. No one likes mediocrity, we all know that. Yet you're saying someone else DOES like it because you disagree with their approach. That is EXACTLY the same thing that caused you your ouchie.

 

[zlev]

You're doing the exact same shit with the "it's a shame mediocrity is acceptable to so many" garbage. No one likes mediocrity, we all know that. Yet you're saying someone else DOES like it because you disagree with their approach. That is EXACTLY the same thing that caused you your ouchie.

well they're literally arguing with him for suggesting a different approach to roster building. we haven't won a cup in 30 years with the current approach, so he's right.

 

[NYR Viper]

Based on what we are seeing, we are probably going into the season with:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Chytil-Wheeler
Cuylle-Trochek-Kaako
Goodrow-Bonino-Pitlick/Vesey

That seems the most likely

As an aside, anyone else find it odd that Scanlin hasn't made it into a game yet?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Such a shitty argument that people who advocate a different (better, more proven) way to win "don't want to win."

What argument? Was a question. You are upset that we try to win so why not go away until we try to lose as you prefer?

 

[nyr2k2]

well they're literally arguing with him for suggesting a different approach to roster building. we haven't won a cup in 30 years with the current approach, so he's right.

There are 12 teams with longer droughts than us and 6 others with 20+ year droughts. Are they all building teams the same way as us? Ours is the bad way? Other ways are the good way?

There are lots of ways to skin a cat. That anyone can sit back here and claim to know the "right" way or the "wrong" way is comical.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Is Laf looking a bit stronger? I only saw 1 clip of Laf but he did look a bit sturdier.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Chicken or the egg. If 5v5 raises all boats then it will raise Kakko and Lafreniere, who have top line talent, into top line producers.

My point is and always has been that we don't have enough high end talent. Perhaps that can be better summarized to "we don't have enough players playing like high end talent, because coaching isn't letting them thrive especially at 5v5." It's always been that by time Kakko and Laf finally turn into stars, Mika and Kreider and Panarin will be too old.

If Laviolette fixes that immediately, then maybe there is hope, but I've watched too much underachieving to count on it.

Im sorry thats the weakest argument ever.
We don't have enough top line talent?

We have a 1c, and 2 2c's.
We have a top 10 LW, we have a top 20 LW, and a former 1st overall shifting to RW.
We have Kakko, who is poised for a breakout on the RW as well.

We have a norris trophy candidate, and a breakout candidate who already put up 40 pts (mostly at ES)

We have a top 5 goalie.

Yeah there are teams that have more top end talent than we do - Toronto, Edmonton. But theyre thin as paper. We have deeper lines than they do, or their defense/goaltending is terrible.

Our issue has been that our talent hasn't been maximized, hence new coach. But we're incredibly talented, and tanking longer/not adding panarin wouldn't have fixed that problem it wouldve just created new ones.

 

[haohmaru]

well they're literally arguing with him for suggesting a different approach to roster building. we haven't won a cup in 30 years with the current approach, so he's right.

Last time the Rangers had 9 first rounders in 5 years? A 1OA and 2OA in consecutive drafts? I’ll wait.

They DID do something different. And just because the signed the greatest UFA in their nearly ONE HUNDRED year history in the middle of it doesn’t make it less true.

 

[zlev]

Last time the Rangers had 9 first rounders in 5 years? A 1OA and 2OA in consecutive drafts? I’ll wait.

They DID do something different. And just because the signed the greatest UFA in their nearly ONE HUNDRED year history in the middle of it doesn’t make it less true.

we 100% lucked into the 1OA, we really should not have had that pick. i fully agreed with the Panarin signing and still do, but the Trouba trade/signing was catastrophic. as was the Goodrow contract.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

we 100% lucked into the 1OA, we really should not have had that pick. i fully agreed with the Panarin signing and still do, but the Trouba trade/signing was catastrophic. as was the Goodrow contract.

Pittsburgh lucked into Crosby, Devils lucked into Hughes. It happens.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Based on what we are seeing, we are probably going into the season with:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Chytil-Wheeler
Cuylle-Trochek-Kaako
Goodrow-Bonino-Pitlick/Vesey

That seems the most likely

As an aside, anyone else find it odd that Scanlin hasn't made it into a game yet?

Still too early to see if Cuylle sticks. He needs to keep playing well. He and Othmann will be right down to the wire.

Truthfully, it's probably Goodrow who should be cut but that won't happen.

 

[McRanger92]

This is disingenuous at best.

What are the "lean" years?

The letter was 2018... the guys we drafted in the 1st rd from that point on ARE in the NHL & the rest we all knew were "projects" or needed time.

I can't speak for everyone but "instant" for me was KK & Laf

They were anything but instant & as far as Laf goes... still being "patient" I guess because I have no other choice.

Winning the lottery twice kinda boned us. We needed more ammo to go along WITH them to get some centers.

It's all become a failed rebuild BECAUSE it wasn't a rebuild in the 1st place once we signed Bread to a max / max

If we win a Cup this year (or next year, or the year after with core players acquired during that time) did the rebuild still fail? And I guess my next question would be, why does it matter? Its all semantics

 

[cwede]

… Trouba trade/signing was catastrophic. as was the Goodrow contract.

I see it differently
Trouba was/is good/essential.
Makes team better, and tougher to beat, and Supports Fox being Fox
Goodrow deal tho, is higher Cap, and longer, than it had to be

 

[Peltz]

The only real things he points to are that he "doesnt like our depth" and the Metro is stronger.

Would love to hear which part of our depth he doesnt like. Everywhere outside of RW I think the Rangers are pretty deep.

We're pretty thin up the middle if we lose Zibanejad to injury to be honest. We don't have a true 2C scoring threat even though Chytil looks good.

RW is even worse if KK gets hurt. So I get what he's saying.

We could sustain those types of losses in the regular season, but likely wouldn't get very far beyond the first round after that.

 

[Profet]

Is Laf looking a bit stronger? I only saw 1 clip of Laf but he did look a bit sturdier.

"Did that progress bar move? I'm going to tell myself it moved because I don't think I could handle it if it hasn't moved for this long and this app crashed."

 

[Peltz]

Based on what we are seeing, we are probably going into the season with:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Chytil-Wheeler
Cuylle-Trochek-Kaako
Goodrow-Bonino-Pitlick/Vesey

That seems the most likely

As an aside, anyone else find it odd that Scanlin hasn't made it into a game yet?

I would switch Kakko and Laf, but that's just me I guess.

 

[Profet]

we 100% lucked into the 1OA, we really should not have had that pick. i fully agreed with the Panarin signing and still do, but the Trouba trade/signing was catastrophic. as was the Goodrow contract.

You know what killed us? That Buchnevich trade.

I understand why it was done, but with that return, you take your chances with cap difficulties.

 

[Peltz]

Our issue has been that our talent hasn't been maximized, hence new coach. But we're incredibly talented, and tanking longer/not adding panarin wouldn't have fixed that problem it wouldve just created new ones.

I hope this is true. I do think that if this team continues to play incoherently under Lav, especially for the playoffs, then it should call into question the talent level.

 

[Avery16]

Trade Goodrow and play Cuylle/Bonino/Pitlick

Vesey with Trocheck and Kreider or Wheeler.

 

[zlev]

Pittsburgh lucked into Crosby, Devils lucked into Hughes. It happens.

pittsburgh and NJ sucked way worse for way longer than we did. they were way more warranted a 1st overall than we were, especially after 19-20.

 

[leetch99]

Why are you watching the Yankees?

Discouraging losing two game to NYY on consectutive nights but right now Cole is outstanding and almost untouchable and a delight to watch as is Judge ....Jays just cannot hit them far enough or often enough and always hang their starters out to dry it seems . Oh well....great times for us sports addicts playoff races/divisional titles/WC's and all the pre season hype in hockey . GO RANGERS !

 

[leetch99]

The conventional thinking is that Pitlick is first out of the lineup. But based on just last night, he seems like a big, speedier forward who can actually get in on the forecheck. He was the reason the forecheck was effective, his pressure was the main reason a lot of it began. I would be far more hesitant to take him out of the lineup. I get that Bonino can take draws but he really didn't seem like he had the wheels to create O zone pressure. We've learned that without a guy like Motte or Pitlick (and Pitlick is a much bigger force) the 4th line has a hard establishing zone time. But that said, i get the logic. And it's also plausible that Lavi is thinking the same thing. But I personally would rather have Pitlick in there. I think the most effective 4th lines are the ones that can keep the puck behind the other teams blue line.

I thought we had great O zone pressure mostly because Panarin was not in the game ! We had guys that actually wanted to press and try hard ! Lavi will be as good a coach as Panarin wants him to be .

 

[leetch99]

still only 21. Can fill out even more.

He can be a big problem for opposing teams.

The fact that he has that size and can skate is guarantee 4th line duties imo.

Might end up being a cheap front of the net presence when Kreider leaves eventually ......like having Chara in the slot on PP's or maybe Edstrom....run them out on separate units . What a force they could be for teams to handle .

 

[NickyFotiu]

You know what killed us? That Buchnevich trade.

I understand why it was done, but with that return, you take your chances with cap difficulties.

The reasoning was 3 fold. Salary cap, upcoming contracts to other star players, and having younger players we hoped would force their way in the top 6. I understood the reasoning 2 years ago but it did turn out poorly. It would not be easy to re-sign Buch and others but I would have tried harder in hindsight.