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I think after he got grazed by a couple of shots across his orbital bones he figured he had better HUG and hug hard ,
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eco's bones
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Some people have this idea that skill is some be all and end all. It's not. To win you certainly need guys who are very very talented but you also need guys who will do the dirty unappreciated jobs and who are willing to battle. There has to be some kind of mix and a lot of skill guys balk at fighting for pucks, blocking shots or killing penalties and don't really like physical play......but someone's got to do all those things. You see all kinds of types on the Vegas, Avalanche and Tampa teams that are the most recent winners of the Stanley Cup.
eco's bones
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I don't remember seeing Johnston hug one out before either. I think part of his issue with Rempe was Rempe's reach. Matt when was he was scoring was out of his range and he's probably not used to that. For that to be a rock em sock em brawl Johnston would have had to get in closer and eat a few. He didn't want to do it.
Bissonette trying to do his best Racist A Smith rant to get his attention whore self clicks.
What a f***ing clown.
What a f***ing clown.
LORDE
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Of course it wouldn't have failed. That's not going to happen tho.
The "core" is only getting older & the kids that everyone wants to hand the keys to aren't anywhere near the players the core guys were.
gravey9
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I mean, this exact thought has been sitting in my mind all preseason.
NYR Viper
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I think we see Goodrow have his best season as a Ranger. Guys like him who are good skaters, not great, but use their hockey intelligence to read plays and disrupt have a tough time just freelancing like they had to with Gallant. A structure system where he understands how to push plays in a certain direction and play angles will help him.
McRanger92
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Kreider is 32 and the oldest player anyone could consider a core piece. He's also playing the best hockey of his career the last 2 seasons. Veteran teams win Cups in the real world, not teams full of 22 year olds like in HF fantasyland. Be negative all you want, but it's a good thing they play the games because you don't know what's going to happen.
E-Train
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He definitely checked out of the scrap after Rempe popped him
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I don't think he was expecting punches to the mid section, either.
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GENESISPuck94
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100% and I'd also say you need your skill guys getting their hands dirty too. You need the compete level and will to battle through everything. You need a lot of luck, yes, but generally the teams that work the hardest generate their luck. It's all mental. You need that mind set.
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No, it wasn't a question, it was a rhetorical device and a poor one.
I do want the Rangers to win. A Cup.
So I get angry when they do foolish things that aren't likely to result in Cup wins and I advocate for the things that will help them win.
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You're doing the exact same shit with the "it's a shame mediocrity is acceptable to so many" garbage. No one likes mediocrity, we all know that. Yet you're saying someone else DOES like it because you disagree with their approach. That is EXACTLY the same thing that caused you your ouchie.
No, it's not the exact same thing.
The very argument that has been posited to me is "Hockey is just get into the playoffs and hope things break your way." The argument people are making is that they are ok with low odds of winning a Cup because the result of that path is competitive, entertaining hockey, even if it doesn't result in a Championship. The very premise of this argument is that we should accept a low-end playoff team before another prolonged rebuild, largely because a long rebuild isn't fun to watch.
I acknowledge we all want to win. We wouldn't be here if we didn't. I am not claiming that McRanger doesn't want to win a Cup.
But what IS the shame is that some are willing to suffer and sacrifice to get there or to increase their odds; others are ok with low odds as long as they get to watch a playoff round.
You aren't getting what I said. Yeah, if the first and second overall picks breakout and Chytil actually plays like a 2C we will be much closer to elite tier, or actually in it.
Hasn't happened yet. Maybe it's coaching. Maybe it's that they aren't actually good enough.
As the clock ticks away on seasons, I'm left to conclude we haven't had enough high end talent all producing at high levels at the same time. Maybe Laviolette can change that this year.
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Math says you are incorrect, there is a right way.
And we aren't competing at the same level as the Coyotes and Senators of the world.
Certainly luck plays a part. If it doesn't, keep going back to the well till it does.
You don't necessarily find a Crosby every year or two. But the Jack Hugheses of the world do come around with consistency and predictability.
I'd say it depends.
I'd like more than one Cup. I would not trade away more futures to try to buff up for one 1994-like run.
NickyFotiu
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It was not rhetorical. I wanted to hear your answer. I see you advocate losing (tanking) to get higher draft picks. Is that not correct? Vegas did not tank. Would you have been happy winning a cup the way they did? So this season do you want us to win games or lose games. Not a rhetorical question. I would like an honest answer. Not an evasion. Not a philosophy. Just a simple answer. Do you want us to win or lose games in 2023-24?
To be honest, once the playoffs hit and the refs just kinda let things get more crazy, you need guys who can grind through that and make some space for your talent. I don't mind at all having grinders, especially in this cap league where it's extremely hard to stack the entire team top to bottom with legit talent. Your talent has to be patient and know when to go in the playoffs and sometimes how to get into the dirty areas but they need the bangers in there sometimes to just get a rebound or deflection at times
the NHL is a messy league come playoffs
SA16
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The Rangers have the 7th-8th best cup odds and somehow that's not good enough for some people lol. The chances they win the cup either this year or next year is greater than the chance of any individual team winning this year.
Shesterkybomb
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Even Goodrow’s best hockey (and I’ll be surprised if we ever see that) doesn’t justify the impact his cap hit has on the rest of our roster. He looks out of place on every line above the 4th and makes any of the top three lines he’s squeezed onto look worse.
Time to call it for what it clearly was since day 1- a mistake.
eco's bones
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.....and luck is also an ingredient that has to happen to win. Playoffs---winning 16 games in 4 series from other playoff caliber teams....mostly playing every other night and everybody on every team is all ramped up. Staying healthy is a big deal---even the Cup finals last year Matthew Tkachuk was so banged up in the last game that he should have been in the hospital. A lot of things have to go your way---lucky instead of unlucky bounces, officiating decisions that turn on a moment that can absolutely influence outcomes of games or series. It's best to call the winning team the best team but sometimes the second team gets jobbed. It is what it is and whatever you have the accept the final result.
I mean, most teams in this cap league have holes and have fans ranting about how they'll never win a cup because etc etc
I'm not really sure the rangers tanking another few years would have made a difference, we'd probably just all be ranting about how they couldn't draft a #1 center and let zibanejad go
taking a step back this is a team with arguably the best defenseman in hockey, the best goaltender in hockey, one of the most dynamic wingers in hockey, a top center, and two high draft picks and assorted talented parts
To me it's not "oh no we needed to suck for a few more years" it's how to fit these pieces together in order to make that cup run. Rebuilding usually doesn't work like "ok now we've got every piece we need in the right place peaking at the right time and on a sweet heart deal so we're far under the cap and can spend luxuriously"
I guess you can argue that the devils hit on that but there's a huge amount of luck rather than being able to plan on it, and they have yet to win anything
I'm not really sure the rangers tanking another few years would have made a difference, we'd probably just all be ranting about how they couldn't draft a #1 center and let zibanejad go
taking a step back this is a team with arguably the best defenseman in hockey, the best goaltender in hockey, one of the most dynamic wingers in hockey, a top center, and two high draft picks and assorted talented parts
To me it's not "oh no we needed to suck for a few more years" it's how to fit these pieces together in order to make that cup run. Rebuilding usually doesn't work like "ok now we've got every piece we need in the right place peaking at the right time and on a sweet heart deal so we're far under the cap and can spend luxuriously"
I guess you can argue that the devils hit on that but there's a huge amount of luck rather than being able to plan on it, and they have yet to win anything
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I don't advocate us tanking this season, for example.
I bemoan the fact that we did not properly complete our rebuild and I'm against foolish expenditures of more futures for minimally increasing our odds this year (renting).
And I would judiciously continue to find opportunities to win long term value transactions even if it meant short term losses this season; because being all in on the short term is very clearly the worst approach to team building and winning.
I want us to win the Cup in 2023-24. I don't have a ton of faith that we will unless Laviolette revolutionizes our 5v5 play and a lot of our players, both young and old, look a lot better than they have under the past 2 admins. If they do not radically improve especially at 5v5 under a third coach, I would say it essentially settles the matter that we are not talented enough (or improperly developed the prospects), which I suspect, and I will call scoreboard on the fact that our rebuild was cut off too early and we need to start considering when to start again.
If we do look tons better and Laf, Kakko, and Chytil all look great and Othmann, Cuylle, etc, all look like middle sixers of the future, if Perrault is tearing it up and looking like he will be joining in two years, etc, and it's all because Muse and Peca and company are developing our kids into stars, then the rebuild did in fact work and we will likely win a Cup or Cups.
I suspect the former option is by far the most likely though.
NickyFotiu
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Luck, timing and health are huge keys to winning the cup. Our 1994 team was liaded with talent but we barely squeezed by the much less talented Canucks
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Why would the 8th best odds be good enough? Lol. It's decidedly indicating you are on the outside looking in.
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