Training Camp and Preseason Discussion

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So Darryl said this after the game:

"and we didn’t get any saves in the third".

He threw Jones under the bus. Ouch.

Jones has a looooong way to go before he's even considered an NHL backup. That's probably one reason why Garon was invited to camp. For all we know, Jones could be just another Adam Hauser or Daniel Taylor, just your average minor league goalie.
 
What's the deal with Brandon Kozun? I remember being intrigued a few years ago when he was on the WJC team for Canada, but haven't heard much about him since. He seems like he's posted okay numbers in the AHL, not great and kind of disappointing considering his skill level, but still alright.

Does he have any NHL upside still? Or is he just too small for the pro game?

Yes...but not with LA. Not because he's not good enough or because he won't fit our system but because we have zero room for him and he will now have to clear waivers. I think there's a decent chance he gets claimed. I know a team in the east has their eyes on him.

Jones has a looooong way to go before he's even considered an NHL backup. That's probably one reason why Garon was invited to camp. For all we know, Jones could be just another Adam Hauser or Daniel Taylor, just your average minor league goalie.

Yep. He's been incredibly inconsistent.

Tell you what though, I think I'd rather have Garon over Scrivens. Been saying it since we got him - I am not sold on Scrivens at the NHL level AT ALL.
 
I was at Pepsi Center tonight - pretty nice arena. I was in the end where the Kings shoot twice.

The first goal was kinda flukey. The Avs shot it on goal from distance with moderate velocity. Scrivens kicked it out - perhaps he could have done more with it. There was an Avs player crashing the net. Willie(!) had his stick tied up and the puck bounced off the Avs player and Scrivens made the second save. Vey came to the slot, picked up the puck and made a limp clearing attempt right up the middle. The Kings were scrambling by this point. As soon as the Avs D man got it, the Kings converged, providing a screen. As soon as the shot got through, the goalie had no chance.

Clifford was noticeably faster live than on TV. He took a run at someone in the 1st period and shook the boards.

We completely dominated 5 on 5 play throughout the night. The TT-Vey-Pearson line was dynamite. They are very crafty and fit in well with the puck possession game we play. They each make nice cuts at the most opportune time and give the passer a nice target. They can all handle the puck in tight spaces and I was surprised at how effective they were on the boards.

The Williams-Shore-King line was awesome. Best line of the night at times.

Kozun was OK, not great. I didn't remember any grade A chances from him.

Muzzin and Ellerby were good defensively, but turned the puck over a lot while breaking out. It looked as though they would telegraph a 80 ft cross ice break out pass, take 4 strides, and then make the pass. By that time, the defense would react and break it up. Both of them were guilty of doing this on numerous occasions.

Momentum shifted in the 2nd period when we took a bunch of lazy / stupid penalties. We had 2 X Too many men on the ice calls plus multiple hooking infractions in the offensive zone. Weak. This sucked, because I didn't see TT or Williams for a full 20 minutes of game action, which neutered our offense.

Our #1 PK unit was Clifford / Fraser backed by VV and Willie. They were awesome as a unit. I don't think the Avs top guns got a good chance. These guys had lots of practice. You could see their positioning and tenacity.

Vey-Pearson with Schultz-Ellerby was our second unit. While Vey-Pearson were sound positionally, they didn't bring any aggressiveness. When a puck was loose, they would hold their ground instead of attacking as a unit, whereas the 1st PK unit would pounce.

I forgot who the 3rd PK pair was.

The Cliche-Nolan pairing on PK was a train wreck. Looked like my beer league PK. In fairness, neither get much practice at it and they were only on for two or three PK shifts.

Things got a little chippy in the 3rd. Downie (surprise) was a little *****. After Fraser and Downie get put in the box, Andreoff comes on and pretty much punches a guy in the head during the course of play. I thought that was awesome. No one wanted a piece of him. That was the only penalty of the night where we got our money's worth. After coming out of the box, he pretty much took a run at someone (someone next to me was yelling "That's a charge!") and blew him up. Things settled down after that.

I think I realize why Fraser is pretty much gone. His positioning is always solid, he plays hard, and finishes his checks on the forecheck, but he's just too small. He gets knocked over way too much and can't physically punish people, especially in a static situation like board play. He definitely got rag dolled along the boards a few times.

That last goal was bad. As a goalie, you got to know when someone starts spinning, there's no way the skater can get the puck off the ice. Jones was playing upright protecting the near post. He left half the net open low on the far side. I could see it from 250 feet away... Ugh...

I was at the game too, in 130, row 13. Got a $94 face value for 25 bucks outside. No complaints there. Good assessment, driller1.

I do not need to add much, but I also thought Clifford looked faster than last time I had seen him.

The 3 players I wanted to see most tonight - Zykov, Frattin, and Nathan MacKinnon...none of them played! Oh well.

Scrivens - I thought he looked ok. The first goal, he was knocked into by Mitchell and he was regaining position and Benoit's shot made it through, just as he was getting back in position. Scrivens gives up more rebounds than I would like to see.

I was also impressed with Nick Shore. I have seen him at DU here, several times. He has adjusted well and is very solid. Good positioning, awareness, gets in scoring positions and gets back and plays good defense. Nice goal and beautiful pass to King for that goal.
Shore wasn't great on faceoffs and will need to work on that.

Andreoff - I liked his game and see what TG is talking about. I even watched him in the neutral zone. With all the penalties, he didnt get a lot of icetime. He wasn't on for PP or PK. I did notice he looked like a deer in the headlights a few times.

Kozun - it's just a shame he's so small. He was just ok. I think over the last 2 or 3 years, it's just too hard for a smaller player to make it.

This is the first time I have seen Pearson, really, except for video footage in Manch. I was surprised. He skates better than I knew and
has a good skillset. I see him making it, when he gets the opportunity.

Vey and Toffoli - I expected a little more from each. They each made a few good plays, but I think Pearson looked best on that line. Vey did make a great, no look pass, behind him that hit the tape of the player's stick. He is skilled.

Voynov - he looked smooth, but wasn't skating hard...it was like "I am a 5 million dollar defenseman now" kind of attitude or something.
I am not saying it was attitude or even disinterest...but he wasn't the Voynov I know. You could especially see it, on the GWG. He should have knocked the puck off of O'Reilly's stick, or something better, than just kind of hanging with him and trying to get the inside position. This all said, I am not worried about Slava. He is awesome.

Mitchell - Willie was good and really didn't seem rusty or slower.

Ellerby - Ellerby can skate, is decent in the D zone, and makes some good, sound plays...but makes more gaffes than I would like. I think he has the tools, but want to see him get a nasty edge and play more like Greene and (in form) Mitchell.

Martinez - Alec looked good tonight. He was fairly solid tonight.
He's better than Ellerby and Schulz.

Muzzin - I think Muzzin is going to be good. He has progressed his game
since stepping in last year. Not saying he should be top 4 right now,
but he has the ability to be a good, top 4 guy. The more experience
he has gotten, the less mistakes. As driller1 said, he was involved
in some erratic plays coming out of the zone...but nothing atrocious.

Schulz - WTF? Dean, I could have really really used that $700,000 you threw away. Worst King defenseman since...maybe ever. He is slow, methodical, took a bad penalty...not physical and basically useless. I would have rather seen Bodnarchuk. He was in warmups and didn't play.

King - meh. He was ok tonight. His goal - was Shore's pass..but I give credit for King being in good position.

Nolan - Nolan looked good tonight, but nothing to add - just noticed
him doing some good things and being involved.

Prediction - I think Shore is going to score 20 goals in Manch.
I haven't seen Sabourin, but hearing good things about him.
Manch should be good this year, adding Shore, Sabourin, Forbort,
etc. Nice to see talent coming into the system every year. And Weal
and Andreoff should be better this year down there. (if Andreoff doesn't make it) Just hoping Weal can still grow and add some size.

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You sure about Shore on the draws PJB? From what I remember, Shore was pretty good at them and used at DU for a lot of their crucial draws.

Anyways, as sad as it seems, I think Schultz makes the team. Darryl compared him to Scuds and that's NOT a good thing for us. I'm ready to call it now - Ellerby will be waived. Other 8 make it.
 
You sure about Shore on the draws PJB? From what I remember, Shore was pretty good at them and used at DU for a lot of their crucial draws.

Anyways, as sad as it seems, I think Schultz makes the team. Darryl compared him to Scuds and that's NOT a good thing for us. I'm ready to call it now - Ellerby will be waived. Other 8 make it.

Yes. I was near the faceoff circle, 13 rows up. He lost everyone taken near me. I think he will be fine. I saw Shore several times at DU.
I am very impressed that he has taken this step and was one of the best players on the ice tonight.

Schulz = Scuderi?? OMG! Scuderi is one of the most solid defenseman in the NHL...consistent, very few gaffes, and always dependable. That said, I wouldn't have given him 4 yrs at the age of 34. BUT Schulz is lightyears from Scuderi. I actually cannot think of a defenseman on the Kings in the last decade that was worse.
 
Yes. I was near the faceoff circle, 13 rows up. He lost everyone taken near me. I think he will be fine. I saw Shore several times at DU.
I am very impressed that he has taken this step and was one of the best players on the ice tonight.

Schulz = Scuderi?? OMG! Scuderi is one of the most solid defenseman in the NHL...consistent, very few gaffes, and always dependable. That said, I wouldn't have given him 4 yrs at the age of 34. BUT Schulz is lightyears from Scuderi. I actually cannot think of a defenseman on the Kings in the last decade that was worse.

Interesting. Hopefully Shore can shore up his skills in the dot because he'll need em to replace Stoll.

And I don't really get how Darryl can compare Schultz to Scuds unless he REALLY hated Scuds. Worst D? He might be. But we did have Randy Jones. Let's see how many pucks Schultz turns over in the playoffs that lead directly to goals first though.
 
Responding to Driller and Peter James Bond...I heard on the radio tonight via Nick Nixon that Clifford has been working on his power skating to help out more on the offensive end. There has been extra emphasis on the first couple steps to build an extra jump. Hope he keeps it up...
 
The Mayor John Hoven ‏@mayorNHL 15m
Goaltender JF Berube also headed to Manchester, where camp will open on Tuesday. Matthias Niederberger will join him there as well #LAKings
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#BreakingNews - Cut down day, #LAKings sending guys back to Manchester - list includes Brandon Kozun, who will need to be put on waivers 1s

mayor has some cuts too
 
I was also impressed with Nick Shore. I have seen him at DU here, several times. He has adjusted well and is very solid. Good positioning, awareness, gets in scoring positions and gets back and plays good defense. Nice goal and beautiful pass to King for that goal.
Shore wasn't great on faceoffs and will need to work on that.



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43-percent on the draw last night. 9-for-21. Tooks the most faceoffs amongst the King centermen.

0-for-2 in the Dzone. 5-10 in the O-zone. 4-9 neutral.

Here's an interesting stat though.

9 of his faceoffs were against Matt Duchene, the most of any King player. He lost 8 of them. He was 11% on the draw against a top line NHL centerman and was 8-for-12 against four others which included Jon Mitchell, ROR, Stastny and Brad Malone.

In comparison Vey was 3 for 8, Colin Fraser was 7-for 15. Vey went 3-for-5 on Duchene.

For the record Duchene won an average of nearly 55% of his faceoffs last year and was one of the best centers in the league at the dot.

Not drawing any conclusions. Just a little context on those faceoff numbers. Certainly looks like Colorado was trying to challenge him. 43 is not a horrible number when you look at that fact that almost half his draws were being matched against an elite faceoff centermen. I'll have to pay more attention to this in the future though and see how he does against other more respected centers.
 
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I would hate to lose Kozun, but I hope he gets claimed. I just don't see a spot for Kozun on the kings, and I just think he deserves a shot with an nhl club.

Wish Kozun the very best regardless.
 
43-percent on the draw last night. 9-for-21. Tooks the most faceoffs amongst the King centermen.

0-for-2 in the Dzone. 5-10 in the O-zone. 4-9 neutral.

Here's an interesting stat though.

9 of his faceoffs were against Matt Duchene, the most of any King player. He lost 8 of them. He was 11% on the draw against a top line NHL centerman and was 8-for-12 against four others which included Jon Mitchell, ROR, Stastny and Brad Malone.

In comparison Vey was 3 for 8, Colin Fraser was 7-for 15. Vey went 3-for-5 on Duchene.

For the record Duchene won an average of nearly 55% of his faceoffs last year and was one of the best centers in the league at the dot.

Not drawing any conclusions. Just a little context on those faceoff numbers. Certainly looks like Colorado was trying to challenge him. 43 is not a horrible number when you look at that fact that almost half his draws were being matched against an elite faceoff centermen. I'll have to pay more attention to this in the future though and see how he does against other more respected centers.

Thanks for the research! I was just watching Shore closely, as well as players like Andreoff, Pearson, Vey and others I had never seen in person. I moved to Colorado 7 years ago. I have seen Shore, Gravel, and Dowd several times at DU, however.

I thought Shore was one of our best players last night. I was just scrutinizing him, where he needed work. That said, it's amazing how well he is making the transition from college to pro. I didn't expect him to look this good already. 9 out of 21 is great, for one of his first pro games. Nick will continue to get better at all facets of his game.
 
More cuts:

http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=683527

edit: notables still in LA...

Linden Vey
Tanner Pearson
Tyler Toffoli
Nick Shore
Andrew Bodnarchuk
Andrew Campbell

Brandon Kozun and Marc-Andre Cliche have been cut, just have to clear waivers.

Garon and Scrivens both still remain.
 
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I would hate to lose Kozun, but I hope he gets claimed. I just don't see a spot for Kozun on the kings, and I just think he deserves a shot with an nhl club.

Wish Kozun the very best regardless.

I tend to agree...but I'd also rather not lose him for nothing.

That being said, 5 bucks on Calgary!
 
Everyone keeps questioning sending these kids down but if you look at the number of players on NHL deals only and the salary cap and the additions of Frattin and Carcillo you can see there is no room!

Lombardi already has to dump a D man why would he trade a King or Fraser for nothing just to rush a young player? With WM coming back and the new additions and how far we go last year I believe DL thinks he has a good shot with the similar roster as last year. Sub Frattin in for Penner and Carcillo for Richardson and Mitchell back.
 
More cuts:

http://kings.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=683527

edit: notables still in LA...

Linden Vey
Tanner Pearson
Tyler Toffoli
Nick Shore
Andrew Bodnarchuk
Andrew Campbell

Brandon Kozun and Marc-Andre Cliche have been cut, just have to clear waivers.

Garon and Scrivens both still remain.

Wow!!! Anyone else surprised that AA was sent down???

Could Shore be our 4C to start the season?
 
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