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I thought it was pretty well known by now that we're starting with 8 D? Or is that just me being logical? Plus Darryl said it's probably going to happen. I've been saying this for MONTHS now. Get used to it. One D will be cut. And if Andy and Toff want to make the team, we'll have to shed TWO forward to fit in with the 8 D. It's possible two of King/Clifford/Fraser/Nolan are moved if Tyler and Andy EARN their way on to this team.
 
I Am Ziggy Palffy said:
bernier??
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Is it just me or do other people find this habit of using just the initials of a player annoying. I mean it probably saves you three milliseconds to type capital J and capital B instead of Bernier, but then I gotta spend a precious three seconds to figure out who you're talking about.
 
cnshockey said:
I thought it was pretty well known by now that we're starting with 8 D? Or is that just me being logical? Plus Darryl said it's probably going to happen. I've been saying this for MONTHS now. Get used to it. One D will be cut. And if Andy and Toff want to make the team, we'll have to shed TWO forward to fit in with the 8 D. It's possible two of King/Clifford/Fraser/Nolan are moved if Tyler and Andy EARN their way on to this team.
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I'd have to say the last quote from Sutter on 8D wasn't very definitive... Right?

The big problem with 8D being that one of Carcillo/Nolan has to skate every night... Nolan looks like he's been busting his butt in the off-season... He did manage to work himself to the press box last year... and I'm not sold on Carcillo yet...

Then there are a ton of variables on D... like which AMart we get back.... If he gets back to 2012-2013 form great... If he's still playing like last year... Which WM are we going to see? Back and in shape... or LTIR?

If say, hypothetically, Schultz looks terrible and Ellerby takes a huge step back... it may not be worth keeping 8D around if Mitchell looks like he could come back... Too many variables at this point I think... We'll know more soon
 
OT- but funny. one of the new NHL rules this year is if a player takes off his helmut during a fight, he gets a 2 min. minor.

Well , it didn't take long for the guys who fight to figure out a loophole:


From TSN Today:

Never underestimate the keen-mindedness of the NHL tough guy.


During Thursday's preseason game between the New York Islanders and New Jersey Devils, Islanders forward Brett Gallant and Devils enforcer Krys Barch fought three times, with both players circumventing a league rule that would have penalized them further.


In their second fight of the game, the two fighters took each others' helmets off, getting around Rule 46.6 which gives an additional unsportsmanlike conduct penalty if a player removes his own head wear before he goes at it.

they actually had a third fight later and both got tossed.

But that betweetn fight 1 and 2, they figured out how to avoid the extra 2 minutes is pretty funny.
 
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... In their second fight of the game, the two fighters took each others' helmets off, getting around Rule 46.6 which gives an additional unsportsmanlike conduct penalty if a player removes his own head wear before he goes at it.[/I]
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Next thing they'll get their own teammates to take off the helmet to avoid the extra two minutes.
 
Rhino 350 said:
I'd have to say the last quote from Sutter on 8D wasn't very definitive... Right?

The big problem with 8D being that one of Carcillo/Nolan has to skate every night... Nolan looks like he's been busting his butt in the off-season... He did manage to work himself to the press box last year... and I'm not sold on Carcillo yet...

Then there are a ton of variables on D... like which AMart we get back.... If he gets back to 2012-2013 form great... If he's still playing like last year... Which WM are we going to see? Back and in shape... or LTIR?

If say, hypothetically, Schultz looks terrible and Ellerby takes a huge step back... it may not be worth keeping 8D around if Mitchell looks like he could come back... Too many variables at this point I think... We'll know more soon
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The idea isn't to go all season with 8 D but to start the year with them. Let the D story develop. See what happens. Once we get some semblance of pairings and solidify them, move the spare part.
 
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Max is having a good camp. He has shown that he can compete and while he will need a season in MCH imo I think he will become a solid 3rd line LW in a season or two. He is fitting in and the coaches like his positional play allot or so it has been said. Max believes that he will start scoring once he gets use to the pace of the NA game. He has shown moments of very good play and moments of hesitation. Once he overcomes that he will be ready.

He is right on track from where he was drafted. Solid player.
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Thanks TG, always appreciate the insight. I agree, a year (maybe two) in manchester is needed. One for sure, but with our depth in prospects, he might have to go down for another year just because the competition is so stiff. Plus he does have a lot of rough edges to smooth out and I'd rather see him do that getting 15 minutes a game and PP time in manchester, not half that in LA on the 4th line.

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Let's do the math. The trade deadline is approximately 3/4 of the way through the season. If we are $600k below the cap, we would bank 3/4 * $600k = $450k. We would have another 1/4 * $600k = $150k in savings below the cap for the remainder of the season, for a total of $600k.

To acquire a RR type person, we would be on the hook for 1/4 * $4 million = $1mm.

$1mm is > $600k. That would be a breach of salary cap.

Let's put this another way. If we had $450k "in the bank" 3/4 of the way through the season, we could afford someone with a cap hit of $2.4 million. (We are on the hook for $2.4 million * 1/4 = $600k).

I don't know of too many defensemen that would be on the trade block at $2.4 million that would drastically improve our team. Certainly none the caliber of WM or RR.

Also, keep in mind that this assumes we do not suffer any injuries and need to call up any AHL players. If someone goes on IR (but not LTIR), we would still need to count their salary against the salary cap plus the pro-rated portion of the AHL call up salary cap number. In Vey or Andreoff, that salary is ~$900k.

Class is dismissed.
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The flaw with your 'math' is that you don't prorate the amount we are under the cap the whole time. You say if we are $600K under the cap, we'd only have $450,000 to spend at the deadline.

That is false. We'd have a much larger amount. You don't pro-rate that to the protion of the season that has been played.

If, for example, we waived Schultz tomorrow, we'd be $600,000 under the cap. that means we have $600,000 in cap space to spend. After five games into the season, you don't say we have $600,000 X 5/82 =$36,585 cap space to spend. We have $600,000 to spend.

For each dollar you are under the cap, the amount that dollar is worth goes up as the season goes along. Teams can actually spend well above the cap towards the end of the season because they've spent below it during the season.

I'm not sure of the formula to determine how much being $600,000 under the cap all season plays out to be when you get to the trade deadline, but it's actually a lot more than just $600,000. I'd bet it's more like triple or quadruple that.

Which, when you factor in as well that the portion of the players salary that will count against the cap has decreased at a coresponding rate, teams can actually add a fair amount of salary.
 
Does anyone know which division foe we face 4 times instead of 5?
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From the Kings website, it's Edmonton


the Pacific Division, the Kings will play Anaheim, Calgary, Phoenix, San Jose and Vancouver five times and Edmonton four times. In the Central Division, the Kings will play Chicago, Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis and Winnipeg three times each. The Kings will play all Eastern Conference teams twice.
 
Max is having a good camp. He has shown that he can compete and while he will need a season in MCH imo I think he will become a solid 3rd line LW in a season or two. He is fitting in and the coaches like his positional play allot or so it has been said. Max believes that he will start scoring once he gets use to the pace of the NA game. He has shown moments of very good play and moments of hesitation. Once he overcomes that he will be ready.

He is right on track from where he was drafted. Solid player.

Schultz had better start showing something or he could be waived first. Hearing Fraser could be going somewhere but it could just be talk. Waaaay too early into camp for anything serious.

Willie says he is feeling strong. Here is to hope because an on his game WM could be all the difference we need to bring it back home.

Keep an eye on Andy Andy next game. He has proven himself ready to make the jump and a valuable asset but as recently as today he has been told that if he keeps playing the way he has been that he is well on his way to playing in the NHL sooner than later. One thing he needs to work on is his neutral zone timing/awareness.

He appears to have straightened out the problem and to me it is the way most rookie's play the game when they are trying to adapt but if you watch AA in the NZone as he transitions from O to D coverage he has had a habit of slowing down and getting a bit lost for a moment or two. Those moments are what makes the difference between an NHL ready player and a risk/reward rookie. Doesn't matter what position or which zone, if you hesitate/delay you will without a doubt be the goose.

Andy is a talented kid and a hard worker. I have championed him for those reasons and believe he will be with the big club before the end of the season if not sooner. Watch his next game and pay attention to his NZone play and watch how a dedicated young player makes the changes needed to make the NHL
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Thanks TG, as always you have great insight and information. You need your own hockey show.

Agree on Andy Andy, from what I've read (and heard on the radio podcasts of games, yes at midnght on the EC bleary eyed, desperate for hockey..>)he's really having a great camp and pushing strong for a slot.
Speaking of camp kids, another player I think has played really well is Sabourin, I thought (by what I heard) he Kitsyn and Weal had a great game the other night. Any news on him?
I would love to see some new blood on the lower 6...
 
Every draft I google each pick the Kings take and then see how his fight card is.

I championed for Simmonds and Nolan just based on this and watching them live in person. Simmonds I saw his first pre-season game. Nolan caught my attention during his first two seasons in Manchester while watching his highlights.

Andreoff had my vote from draft day when I watched his fights and saw his numbers. Then I saw both rookie games. He acted like a captain. Standing up for every teammate, yapping the Ducks bench and players, hitting, clearing the net after whistles, skating, scoring goals, fighting....He is a young Rick Tocchet.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Every draft I google each pick the Kings take and then see how his fight card is.

I championed for Simmonds and Nolan just based on this and watching them live in person. Simmonds I saw his first pre-season game. Nolan caught my attention during his first two seasons in Manchester while watching his highlights.

Andreoff had my vote from draft day when I watched his fights and saw his numbers. Then I saw both rookie games. He acted like a captain. Standing up for every teammate, yapping the Ducks bench and players, hitting, clearing the net after whistles, skating, scoring goals, fighting....He is a young Rick Tocchet.
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Let's hope he doesn't have Janet Gretzky's number...
 
deeshamrock said:
Thanks TG, as always you have great insight and information. You need your own hockey show.

Agree on Andy Andy, from what I've read (and heard on the radio podcasts of games, yes at midnght on the EC bleary eyed, desperate for hockey..>)he's really having a great camp and pushing strong for a slot.
Speaking of camp kids, another player I think has played really well is Sabourin, I thought (by what I heard) he Kitsyn and Weal had a great game the other night. Any news on him?
I would love to see some new blood on the lower 6...
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I get the info late too but then I am a bit of an insomniac so it sort of works out, a little. ;)

I thought it had already been reported that S A B O U R I N (in deference to the abbreviatedly challenged. jk) is being offered a pro contract by us. Likely to start in MCH. He plays hard nosed but there is actually a bit of skill there too and I have heard that the team would like to see it developed. I think he should start in the Ont and then work his way up to MCH and then the team but we have the greatest minds in the game today figuring these things out so however it works will be right.

Max is among those going down after this weekend or so it has been said. Kozun might get a longer look. I had to do my first day of actual work today so I am a bit behind the current stuff but that is what I have for now.

I also have that DB (Brownie) ls right on track and doing a ton better. There are times when healing from a nagging injury where while you have been doing better you still sort of feel it and then all of the sudden you just feel "better". That is where Brown was said to be late yesterday. He will be ready is what I think.

JB "I am loving my time in TO so far. It just feels very good knowing I am the starter and that I will be given each chance to succeed and establish myself as one". "I will be fine and feel better today".
 
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