Training Camp and Preseason Discussion
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TG, who is usually spot on with his sources, reported in the WM/Schultz thread that WM had tenderness yesterday. If he can't ride a normal testing and can't do low intensity drills without tenderness after a full year and a half to recover, then yes, I will panic, because it will mean that WM's career is effectively over.
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Well, let's look at things from a worse case scenario since so many of you guys have a half-glass-empty outlook and say that WM will be out the entire season. Even without Mitchell, I still prefer our defense for this year than the one that played majority of last year.
This year:
DD
VV
Greene
Regehr
Martinez
Schultz
Ellerby (2nd year)
Muzzin (2nd year)
Last year:
DD
VV
Scuds
Martinez
Ellerby (1st year with the kings and playing out of his natural position)
Muzzin (1st year)
Drewiske
So, go ahead and panic if you choose to, but I'm not too concerned.
triplcrown
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Then somebody please ask Carter...er, God:
Cosmic Question#1: Nipples for Men? What's up with that?
Cosmic Question#2: What happens after we die?
(1st things 1st, I say)
Ollie Weeks
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Hi God, Bill Watson. I, uh, live in the clocktower...why do bad things happens?
We had the cap space last year to go get RR at the trade deadline. We don't have that flexibility this year. I have no doubt the crew we have is adequate to get us in the playoffs and perhaps advance a round.
Sorry, but my expectations have changed. Stanley Cup or bust.
I am not giving up on the season by any stretch. Lots of things can happen. I will still cheer the team on. But if WM is out-- that's a big blow to the team.
The Mayor had a good interview on NHL Radio talking about players and line-ups.
http://mayorsmanor.com/2013/09/audi...aign=Feed:+mayorsmanor/wapX+(MayorsManor.com)
http://mayorsmanor.com/2013/09/audi...aign=Feed:+mayorsmanor/wapX+(MayorsManor.com)
Ziggy Stardust
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I think a big part of losing their identity was when Brian Burke left the organization. While he certainly did inherit a very good, young hockey club, he added the right pieces to make them one of the toughest teams to win a Cup. Sure, as a Kings fan it is natural to hate on the neighboring rivals, but you have to respect what Brian Burke was able to accomplish with that club.
That said, I am enjoying their fall from grace.
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kingsfan28
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The downside to Burke creating a group of badass hockey players is that they got a bad rep that still plagues the Ducks to this day. They won by fear, intimidation and taking cheapshots whenever they could, and it worked that year. The next few seasons they were a marked team. They probably got called for more roughing and fighting major post cup win than any team I can think of. The benefit of a doubt when it came to calls always went against the Ducks. and to this day I still think it does.
Ziggy Stardust
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And they're still a team that lacks discipline. I think even as recently they still are among the most penalized teams in the league. Getzlaf and Perry are hot heads and they have certain players who will retaliate to physical play.
They lost some of a lot of their edge though when they lost Pronger, Moen, Pahlsson and Marchant retired. They aren't the same players as they once were (and Pronger is done), but they also didn't really have players come in and replace what they brought to the table either.
I'd say that today the Kings are considered to be a similar team in terms of toughness and getting in opponents faces. Though they lack a Pronger on the blueline, there is plenty of grit on the team that can rattle teams. And as we witnessed over the past two post seasons, the Kings are fully capable of taking and administering punishment. This team did not have that identity under Terry Murray. It's as if their mental makeup changed when Darryl Sutter took over and they became a tougher squad.
triplcrown
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Willie Mitchell has tenderness?
That's something he just may have to live with...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmoHQ2DC3zo
That's something he just may have to live with...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmoHQ2DC3zo
Ah good call, Mitchell should pursue a singing career
.Did anyone PM the dude about another "hidden" reason why Mitchell was gone? So much face palm.
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Ah good call, Mitchell should pursue a singing career
With how things have gone the past year+, he might have a better shot at a singing career than a comeback. Obviously we're hoping, but I don't see him having much left in the tank, or anything close to a full season left, let alone getting back to his 2012, cup winning, self. We might be shopping for his replacement or stopgap come next trade deadline.
uncleben
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Thanks! As a Storm fan, it's tough to see how Leslie will translate to the next level, but he is fun to watch! I like that pick - cheap and essentially risk free as a 6th rounder.
Auger is loveable and fun to watch too, but I was damned surprised he got taken so early. There are some reasons we call him Ogre instead of Auger.
kingsfan
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That D is actually quite strong. Doughty, Regehr, Voynov, Greene are all very reliable, smart, seasoned players. They shouldn't be question marks at all, barring any injury.
So as long as two of the remaining four play even decent, we are fine. Muzzin was a rookie, so you have to figure he'll get better, and Martinez was hurt a lot and has looked good in the past. Ellerby and Schultz are also not exactly fresh faced NHLers anymore.
If we face an injury, or if the latter four ALL fall on their face, then we can worry. But DS took that same group (with Scuderi but without Greene) and guided us into the playoffs as a 5th seed despite the fact Quick's numbers in the regular season looked like an AHLers numbers. A fully healthy Quick, a full year under the belt for Martinez, a full training camp for everyone and not having to hit the ground running for Regehr and Ellerby can only be a benefit. Kings will be fine.
Oh, and btw about your comment the Kings don't have the luxury of trading for a Regehr this year, they will. They won't make a deal immediately, but they will have the cap space to do something as the season winds along. That's why so many deals happen near the deadline, the amount of salary still owing to a player is less and the amount of cap sapce the team has accumulates over the year. The Kings will have the room to make a move if they need one later in the season. As long as they can avoid having two defensemen go down all year like what happened last, they are fine. And honestly, how often does that happen?
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Reaper45
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Maclise hasn't stood out but he's a big guy who's defensively responsible, wouldn't be surprised to see him on an AHL deal shortly.
Maclise not impressive and Kitsyn hasn't really been turning heads either but you can't sell him short. I expect Maclise gone in the next wave of cuts and he won't be getting an AHL deal.
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Oh, and btw about your comment the Kings don't have the luxury of trading for a Regehr this year, they will. They won't make a deal immediately, but they will have the cap space to do something as the season winds along. That's why so many deals happen near the deadline, the amount of salary still owing to a player is less and the amount of cap sapce the team has accumulates over the year. The Kings will have the room to make a move if they need one later in the season. As long as they can avoid having two defensemen go down all year like what happened last, they are fine. And honestly, how often does that happen?
I fully understand how the cap system works.
We will be right at the cap limit when we break camp. In fact, we need to jettison one salary (probably Ellerby or Schultz) just to be at the cap limit. Hence we will not accumulate any salary cap relief and "bank" cap space for later in the year. As such, we would not be able to get a $4mm defenseman at the deadline (such as RR, which is how much he made last year).
I suppose one scenario where we could get relief is if WM goes on LTIR. We hope that he recovers fully and can be functional since he would be better than anyone we could trade for. The second best option is that he goes on LTIR. The worst option is that he plays ineffectively at 80%, thus preventing the Kings from trading for someone.
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It's probably much more likely that if we need defense as the season folds out that Lombardi will move some chips. We have quite a few kids pushing up through the system.
Kitsyn is a good complimentary top-9. If you expect him to standout or dominate I'd say don't hold your breath.
Jason if you had to pick one of two "prospects" that are going to be the latest cuts or have the best chance at making the team, who would they be?
Andreoff is one to make it for sure. That's an easy pick. I won't say Toffoli cause that is also way too easy and he's a borderline prospect at this point. I dunno I think Kozun will get his shot, maybe Vey sticks around. Liked that Sutter played him 4th line the other night with a couple of bangers in Carcillo and Sabourin. Thought that was an interesting move.
Cuts? Too many. Czarnik, Roach, Miller, Berube etc. etc.
Basically any of those guys that are first years or fringe players at the AHL.
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