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kilowatt said:
Yeah, we moved Johnson for Carter and it won us a cup. Can we do the same now? We’ve got Spence and Clarke who are both in theory ready.
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Only person who’d have maybe that value is Clarke. Johnson was a good player and good asset when he was moved with NHL experience which neither player has.
 
Sol said:
Only person who’d have maybe that value is Clarke. Johnson was a good player and good asset when he was moved with NHL experience which neither player has.
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We've already done the equivalent in the Faber/Fiala swap, I think. Even though Faber didn't have experience and Fiala is younger those are very comparable deals.
 
I think it’s a little bit of both.

I criticize the handling of Turcotte, but you could tell right away, before he was ever under Kings control (other than a brief rookie camp) that he wasn’t going to warrant where he was taken. Of all the top picks in the Big10 in the last 6 years or so and he was well behind everyone. The poor development decisions did hurt him reaching his ceiling, but the ceiling was just never going to warrant that type of pick. So that’s more of an evaluation mistake that was compounded by many development ones.

The next year, it’s tough because you had Vilardi still injured and his career in jeopardy and Turcotte projecting more as a 3rd liner, so you had to get a center. The concerns about Stutzle being able to play center are what I think ultimately broke the tie. The rumor and innuendo is that the Kings European scouts really wanted Stutzle, but just as the scouts were overruled the year before, Blake made the decision to go with Byfield, and it was clearly the wrong one. But again, just like with Turcotte, the evaluation mistake was made worse by poor choices in development. I would say since QB had a higher ceiling the bizarre AHL decision and other development choices hurt him more.
 
unicornpig said:
losing kids and not getting enough playing time is more of an indictment on TM, then again blake did hire him.
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It’s all of them. If Blake had an issue with what TM was doing then this wouldn’t continue to happen. And Blake has been systematically plugging up positions away from the kids. It’s the both of them.
 
funky said:
So who gets fired on the development side.

Yannetti for his picks or Emerson for the development of the picks. Which one failed us ?
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How is Yannetti even remotely responsible for the way the Kings have chosen to develop their prospects?? He drafted some really good players and was overruled on a few others. The guy is a keeper, Emerson and the whole AHL staff minus Stoll should be replaced
 
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kings11 said:
How is Yannetti even remotely responsible for the way the Kings have chosen to develop their prospects?? He drafted some really good players and was overruled on a few others. The guy is a keeper, Emerson and the whole AHL staff minus Stoll should be replaced
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Before Rosen revealed that Yannetti wanted to take Zegras and was overruled by Blake, there was certainly a valid assumption that he shared significant blame for the blunders in 2019 and 2020. Now that we know he was pushing for Zegras, we can safely place 100% of the blame for that on Blake, both the poor evaluation in making the pick and the poor development decisions that came 10 months later, that’s all on Blake and Yannetti gets a pass (for 2019 at least)

We don’t have as much information as to what happened in 2020, only talk of the Euro scouts being heavily behind Stutzle. Since they didn’t take Stutzle the blame either again falls on Blake, or Yannetti might share some of that one.

Such a shame we will no longer be able to have this type of quality information reported to the fans. Rosen said that multiple sources told him that, so we can assumeThe Mayor of Pravda was also told that information, yet never once mentioned it to his listeners. Hmmm, wonder why? Sadly we lost the most professional and honest person we had covering the Kings (again). It really sucks.
 
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Thoughts on the jersey sponsor patch as I know it triggers a lot of NA fans. It seems fairly inoffensive to me.
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Herby said:
Before Rosen revealed that Yannetti wanted to take Zegras and was overruled by Blake, there was certainly a valid assumption that he shared significant blame for the blunders in 2019 and 2020. Now that we know he was pushing for Zegras, we can safely place 100% of the blame for that on Blake, both the poor evaluation in making the pick and the poor development decisions that came 10 months later, that’s all on Blake.

We don’t have as much information as to what happened in 2020, only talk of the Euro scouts being heavily behind Stutzle. Since they didn’t take Stutzle the blame either again falls on Blake or Yannetti shares some of that one.

Such a shame we will no longer be able to have this type of quality information reported to the fans. Rosen said that multiple sources told him that, so we can assume Pravda was also told that information yet never once mentioned it to his listeners. Hmmm, wonder why? Sadly we lost the most professional and honest person we had covering the Kings (again).
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There was an interview with Yanetti where he said that they had Byfield and Stutzle in the same tier. He said the decision on Byfield was based on the type of team they were trying to build (I’m paraphrasing), I’d therefore assumed it was about position, size. As I said elsewhere my issue was that if they wanted to win a cup with #8 and #11 then Stutzle was the right pick because he was more NHL ready… obviously #55 ’s injury and health compounded that. However it was a poor strategic decision no matter how the picks turn out long term.
 
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Statto said:
Thoughts on the jersey sponsor patch as I know it triggers a lot of NA fans. It seems fairly inoffensive to me. View attachment 748610
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zero issue with it, one of the least obtrusive ones as well

tbrown33 said:
Big reveal is that he was playing with two sprained wrists all year and essentially couldn't feel his hands.
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which would explain a lot of the bricks

but have to see what he does this season to prove it
 
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Statto said:
Thoughts on the jersey sponsor patch as I know it triggers a lot of NA fans. It seems fairly inoffensive to me. View attachment 748610
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meh. can't really see it in hockey given the camera distance so it's kinda whatever to me, especially when it's a similar color like that

i hope it sticks with just like, the jersey manufacturer and one sponsor patch though, don't want it going too far overboard
 
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Little Psycho said:
Ok what the f*** was the medical staff thinking playing a kid with two sprained wrists
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They would not make the final decision on that type of issue. It’s not like a head injury where their call would be final.

I agree it’s certainly slightly concerning but perhaps the time he’d already missed meant long term it was best he skated. I’m just being devils advocate on that though.
 
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Kurrilino said:
Stutzle would have exactly the same amount of points as Byfield here, playing with Lizotte and JAD, being scratched 75% of the season for not playing full out defense
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So you are saying that the Kings,who had QB in a first line role for the majority of last season, would have had Tim Stutzle on the 4th line?

Come on Kurri, that is the worst take I’ve read on this forum all year.
 
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Kurrilino said:
Stutzle would have exactly the same amount of points as Byfield here, playing with Lizotte and JAD, being scratched 75% of the season for not playing full out defense
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Stop being stupid with this logic. Stutzle is head and shoulders more talented than byfield. Just because he would get shafted in some way on the kings doesn’t change the fact he is a much better player.
 
Well that's a convenient excuse. I'm surprised we don't see other top 6 forwards around the league suddenly have 3 goal seasons more often.

I'm only half joking.
 
Statto said:
They would not make the final decision on that type of issue. It’s not like a head injury where their call would be final.

I agree it’s certainly slightly concerning but perhaps the time he’d already missed meant long term it was best he skated. I’m just being devils advocate on that though.
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Bro how is all of this questionable medical shit happening all at once? Last year with Fiala ? The staff has got to go I can’t fathom this type of ineptitude. If byfield can’t feel his wrists why the f*** is he playing? To potentially make any possible damage worse or even permanent ?

BigBrown said:
Well that's a convenient excuse. I'm surprised we don't see other top 6 forwards around the league suddenly have 3 goal seasons more often.

I'm only half joking.
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It is an excuses for sure but if it’s actually that serious people need to fired ASAP and the fact that no one has gotten canned is suspicious
 
Statto said:
They would not make the final decision on that type of issue. It’s not like a head injury where their call would be final.

I agree it’s certainly slightly concerning but perhaps the time he’d already missed meant long term it was best he skated. I’m just being devils advocate on that though.
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They should have stepped in. He’s still young enough that he doesn’t know any better and it’s not like he was a big piece on the team, others could have filled that spot while he healed
 
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