GDT: Training Camp 2023

[bland]

It's actually a reason why they should have played some of these younger players more. It would make the decision-making process more sensible, while also putting them in challenging situations to grow more.

Frankly, JAD has never looked so bad, and while the trip to Australia undoubtedly screwed with some of the players, he's the one who needs to work hardest at this point to stay up.

At one of his earlier and more approachable Breakfasts I was able to talk to Lombardi for a couple of minutes. One of the things I asked was if there were gentleman's agreements about the waiver wire, and he said that there were always ways to get a guy through that you really wanted to keep. The game has changed a lot since then, but its only slightly less of an old boys club.

 

[King'sPawn]

I love the fans who pencil in Bjornfot, who TM said in another recent quote "can't play vanilla anymore" and Spence/Clarke.

Did anyone watch Clarke get run about 3-4 times in Vegas. Luckily, he had Hodgson and Helenius there in case anything got out of hand.

Kings have no Lemieux, no McEwen - Englund is the only player who can play physical and fight. He will be the #6.

Unless the Kings dump one of Lewis, Lizotte, Grundstrom and sign Doty, recall Hodgson or bring someone else in Englund has that spot.

So, you're saying having tough guys didn't stop Vegas from running Clarke?

Sounds like knuckle-draggers who can barely play hockey don't have a place in the league's current setting.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Clarke was talking to Helenius after the Stone incident - so he was taking note of what was happening. And the Kings didn't have all the knuckle draggers - just two and one was in the box, Hodgson.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

So, you're saying having tough guys didn't stop Vegas from running Clarke?

Sounds like knuckle-draggers who can barely play hockey don't have a place in the league's current setting.

He’s so close to understanding.

 

[kinghock]

Moverare's making the decision tough on management, but I suspect the Kings will waive him and keep Bjornfot due to draft pedigree. Lower risk waiving him.

Going to be tough making a cap compliant roster and also hoping they don't lose some decent players for nothing. These younger/fringe players are all waiver eligible:

Grundstrom
Bjornfot
JAD
Fagemo
Englund
Thomas
Madden
Santini
Hicketts
Connauton
Tynan
Hodgson
Maltsev

Of course, many of those are easy calls. But it looks like the Kings will have to ice only 21 players. Assuming the shoo-ins are:

Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Fiala - PLD - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Arvidsson
Lewis - Lizotte

Anderson - Doughty
Gavrikov - Roy

Talbot
Copley

That leaves only 4 players they can keep up. One forward and two defense, with one in reserve. This is also assuming they send BOTH Clarke and Spence to the AHL, and I think we'd all be shocked if that happened.

Everyone else they'll need to chance losing to waivers.

So, that's the game. You keep 4 of the above. That number goes down by one for each of Clarke and Spence you keep up.

Of course, that number goes up if they were to decide to send Byfield and/or Kaliyev down to the AHL, as they don't require waivers.

That's what McLellan means by there are not a lot of spots open.

I would put Copley on wavers, which will create space for 22 players.
I will keep Thomas, Bjornfot, and Hodgson.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I love the fans who pencil in Bjornfot, who TM said in another recent quote "can't play vanilla anymore" and Spence/Clarke.

Did anyone watch Clarke get run about 3-4 times in Vegas. Luckily, he had Hodgson and Helenius there in case anything got out of hand.

Kings have no Lemieux, no McEwen - Englund is the only player who can play physical and fight. He will be the #6.

Unless the Kings dump one of Lewis, Lizotte, Grundstrom and sign Doty, recall Hodgson or bring someone else in Englund has that spot.

No to Doty; he's a good fighter but sucks at hockey.

Hell, even MacDermid got more points last night again playing less minutes at LW.

 

[Statto]

The interview with Kopi was interesting. I’m paraphrasing but he said that there will be a change to the PK system which is good to hear. It felt like a no brainer, but it is good that they are planning to do so.

 

[King'sPawn]

I would put Copley on wavers, which will create space for 22 players.
I will keep Thomas, Bjornfot, and Hodgson.

So you'd go with just one goalie?

Hope Talbot doesn't get injured and that he can play back-to-back and 3 games in 4 nights.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Riitch.

 

[EXTRAS]

Could lizotte ever be more than a 4c? He scored 35 points last year...could that ever be 50? How talented is he?

 

[Schmooley]

Could lizotte ever be more than a 4c? He scored 35 points last year...could that ever be 50? How talented is he?

He was the 3c last season playing between guys like Fiala Iafallo and Vilardi. He didnt get 35 points as a 4c.
Hes good but the in the playoffs his size is really an uphill battle.

 

[Fishhead]

Could lizotte ever be more than a 4c? He scored 35 points last year...could that ever be 50? How talented is he?

He could hit 50 between the right players, but mid-40s is more likely. He has a good shot but it's not a killer, most of those would be from putting the puck in scoring areas for his linemates. He's easier to neutralize than most centers because of his size. He's a really smart player with a ridiculous motor.

All that said, the Kings wouldn't move him up unless there were injuries or someone was really struggling. If it's not broke, don't fix it and all that.

 

[head eyes]

Is the game televised/streaming anywhere tonight?

 

[Statto]

He could hit 50 between the right players, but mid-40s is more likely. He has a good shot but it's not a killer, most of those would be from putting the puck in scoring areas for his linemates. He's easier to neutralize than most centers because of his size. He's a really smart player with a ridiculous motor.

All that said, the Kings wouldn't move him up unless there were injuries or someone was really struggling. If it's not broke, don't fix it and all that.

I like Lizothe, he’s won me over, but mid 40’s between whichever Kings wingers you want to choose is unrealistic. As soon as a cheaper/younger player is ready for 4c you make the move…

 

[Little Psycho]

Is the game televised/streaming anywhere tonight?

Ducks will be streaming it. Meanwhile the kings are stuck in the 1900’s with radio coverage only.

 

[tny760]

probably gonna be a hard pass on this one with such a shit lineup and the ducks telecast

not entirely sure i understand the point of icing an AHL team in san diego against a basically AHL "ducks" squad and calling it an NHL exhibition

 

[Fishhead]

I like Lizothe, he’s won me over, but mid 40’s between whichever Kings wingers you want to choose is unrealistic. As soon as a cheaper/younger player is ready for 4c you make the move…

I dunno, I think he could do that without much trouble. He had 34 points last year (28 at ES) largely on the 4th line, in 11:14 of ice time. You don't think he could get 10 more between PLD and Fiala wth increased time? Just the increase in ice time alone would get him around 40.

He generated points last season at ES at the same rate as Kempe, and higher than anyone on the Danault line. It could be an anomaly, but two seasons ago he was 7th on the team in p/60 at even strength. I think there is some upward mobility emerging with Lizotte.

I don't disagree about replacing him though. He's RFA so his next contract is controlled, but it's still going to be over $2M on the cap. Even if Lizotte keeps improving, if it's a choice between cap space for a good goalie or Lizotte, you take the goalie every time.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

I dunno, I think he could do that without much trouble. He had 34 points last year (28 at ES) largely on the 4th line, in 11:14 of ice time. You don't think he could get 10 more between PLD and Fiala wth increased time? Just the increase in ice time alone would get him around 40.

He generated points last season at ES at the same rate as Kempe, and higher than anyone on the Danault line. It could be an anomaly, but two seasons ago he was 7th on the team in p/60 at even strength. I think there is some upward mobility emerging with Lizotte.

I don't disagree about replacing him though. He's RFA so his next contract is controlled, but it's still going to be over $2M on the cap. Even if Lizotte keeps improving, if it's a choice between cap space for a good goalie or Lizotte, you take the goalie every time.

Lizotte played most of last season at even strength with Fiala, Vilardi, and Iafallo. I’m not sure his production is going to go much higher than that based on the opportunity he had last year.

 

[Maynard]

Ducks will be streaming it. Meanwhile the kings are stuck in the 1900’s with radio coverage only.

The Kings need to do a scorched earth rebuild on their media department. They are either too lazy or too incompetent to figure out how to stream the games. Or maybe it’s just indifference. I guess we just have to thank the ducks organization for overcoming this massive hurdle and providing the bare minimum video feed for their fans. The Kings TV/marketing people and the dopey team of scrote scrubbing blog podders should be fired immediately. Douche out the whole department and try to find someone who can rise to the level of the motherf***ing Anaheim f***ing Ducks. Other than that I have no feelings on the matter.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Ducks will be streaming it. Meanwhile the kings are stuck in the 1900’s with radio coverage only.

Do u have a link for audio/vid stream? I just see an audio here Official Anaheim Ducks Website | Anaheim Ducks

 

[Fishhead]

Lizotte played most of last season at even strength with Fiala, Vilardi, and Iafallo. I’m not sure his production is going to go much higher than that based on the opportunity he had last year.

He bounced around a lot, but still played a lot without those guys.


5 v 5 ice time last year:

With Iafallo: 290 minutes

Without Iafallo: 602 minutes


With Fiala: 260 minutes

Without Fiala: 650 minutes


With Vilardi: 328 minutes

Without Vilardi: 582 minutes


He played with Gabe the most, which helped his numbers for sure. But he also saw a lot of shifts with guys like JAD and Kupari. So there is some overhead there, I think. He's 25 so maybe a little more development, but not much. If you flip those minutes last year I think he's over 40 points.

 

[kinghock]

So you'd go with just one goalie?

Hope Talbot doesn't get injured and that he can play back-to-back and 3 games in 4 nights.

No, because Copley salary is 1.5 million and other goalies on the team have less salary, we can add goalie and another player for the same amount of money

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

He bounced around a lot, but still played a lot without those guys.


5 v 5 ice time last year:

With Iafallo: 290 minutes

Without Iafallo: 602 minutes


With Fiala: 260 minutes

Without Fiala: 650 minutes


With Vilardi: 328 minutes

Without Vilardi: 582 minutes


He played with Gabe the most, which helped his numbers for sure. But he also saw a lot of shifts with guys like JAD and Kupari. So there is some overhead there, I think. He's 25 so maybe a little more development, but not much. If you flip those minutes last year I think he's over 40 points.

Where do you get the with and without breakdowns? I was looking at Dobber’s line tool and eyeballing who he was playing with mostly.

 

[Little Psycho]

The Kings need to do a scorched earth rebuild on their media department. They are either too lazy or too incompetent to figure out how to stream the games. Or maybe it’s just indifference. I guess we just have to thank the ducks organization for overcoming this massive hurdle and providing the bare minimum video feed for their fans. The Kings TV/marketing people and the dopey team of scrote scrubbing blog podders should be fired immediately. Douche out the whole department and try to find someone who can rise to the level of the motherf***ing Anaheim f***ing Ducks. Other than that I have no feelings on the matter.

I’ve always had beef with their media/marketing department. I thought for sure it would get better after the cup wins. f***ing embarrassing considering that we are the entertainment capital of the world. Anyways, gonna ditch this game.

 

[Little Psycho]

Do u have a link for audio/vid stream? I just see an audio here Official Anaheim Ducks Website | Anaheim Ducks

It’s show up on their main site when it’s closer to game time. At least that’s how it was last time.